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Why I don't Like Trump But Support Him

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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 11:23 AM
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If we're being honest with ourselves Trump isn't really a very likable person and I've pretty much always viewed him as a typical rich douche bag. Ever since I watched The Apprentice it seemed very clear that Trump was the type of egotistical guy who thinks he's more intelligent than everyone around him, and a lack of humility is a trait I've always disliked in a person. This can also been seen in his comments and tweets where he claims to be very smart or how he has a better nuclear button than Kim. This I believe is the core reason why "intellectuals" refuse to give their support to Trump despite the fact he is clearly good at the job.

Obviously a person who is intelligent doesn't need to boast how intelligent they are, and Trump isn't quite as smart as he'd like to believe. However I can understand him retorting to the attacks against his mental stability, he has every right to counter such arguments but he probably could have done it in a slightly more tactful fashion. The other important point is that he is much smarter than most liberals portray him to be, he may not be a genius but when it comes to business issues and making deals he has a rather advanced level of knowledge. He has overcome every obstacle thrown at him, every Russia conspiracy, every scandal, blown away in the wind like dust.

At the same time, and with a large portion of the population and fellow politicians aligned against him, he's still managed to pass many important reforms and regulations that he promised and his pro-business stance has allowed the U.S. economy to boom. Many large multinational businesses have moved manufacturing plants back to the U.S. and many have canceled plans to move their facilities overseas. His tax cuts will further promote business activity and as a result have far reaching benefits for the economy, despite the ill informed socialist rhetoric claiming it wont work and will only benefit the rich. This is the power of free market capitalism at work.

I still don't really like Trump overall but I've come to respect him as a person and as a leader. He empowers people to create a living instead of making them reliant on the state and you can feel that energy driving down unemployment rates. Trump has also re-ignited our dreams of exploring space. Instead of warmongering constantly he wants to create a peaceful relationship with nations like Russia. He cracked down hard on terrorist groups and the wars in Iraq and Syria are already winding up. His outspoken approach may seem crude to many people but I think it's actually refreshing, it shows he is a real person who has a real opinion and more often than not he makes a good point even if expressed with a poor choice of words.

Trump is often accused of being deceitful but if you actually take a step back and look at what Trump promised he would do and what he has already done in just one year it's clear he intends to deliver on most promises, unlike pretty much every other politician ever. It's as if we suddenly forgot that politicians are narcissistic liars who constantly spew BS like a fountain. The fact Trump has said misleading or flatly false things isn't surprising because they all do it, however what we must keep in mind is that Trump doesn't pathologically spread misinformation using the same insidious methods as many other leaders, he usually tries to express the truth as he believes it.

If you truly believe you're going to get more truth from a politician like Hillary Clinton then you are delusion and that is the core reason why I support Trump, he represents an opposition to the false intellectuals; those who claim to be a source of truth but in reality are oozing with so much deception it's sickening. Yet they carry out this facade and millions of people cannot see through it, they cannot see such an obvious thing even though it's right in front of them. They believe Hillary would be the female savior, the intellectual we need to lead us into a more tolerant and progressive future... I cannot help but pity such people... so lost in their own ego, yet claim to dislike egomaniacs.

They are so full of hatred and spite that they spend all their energy criticizing their own president. They look around at all the great things happening in the world right now and they don't see any of it, all they see is doom and gloom. They just had the worst year of their life meanwhile everyone else just had one of the best years ever. The MSM helps maintain their negative attitudes by constantly reporting negatively on Trump and barely ever reporting anything positive, further reinforcing their dark view of reality and sending them into a frenzy or a spiral of depression. Stop allowing the MSM to shape your view of reality and stop bumming everyone out already.

If you anti-Trump guys are so righteous and such great supporters of the truth then why do you take a hostile stance against truth seeking organizations such as Wikileaks. Well I know why but I'm asking about the moral implications, you target Assange and claim he has links to Russia, you constantly try to blame the messenger for the DNC leaks instead of acknowledging the fact they revealed corruption and questionable practices in the DNC, so they ultimately deserved any repercussions that came from that. Now it looks like Assange may finally have a chance at freedom after all these years... you think that would happen under Hillary?

The deep state establishment clearly doesn't like Trump and you have to ask yourself why. Why do most alternative media sources and personalities tend to support Trump and virtually all MSM sources oppose him? He is a good thing for our world despite how hard that is to believe. But it's important to remember Trump is not perfect nor is any other leader, I will dish out criticism against Trump and I've written a couple of very critical threads in the past. It's perfectly fine to criticize Trump when he does dumb crap, because it helps him learn how to better act in the future, but there's a point where criticism becomes highly biased and harmful to society.
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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 11:29 AM
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Yah I say give him a chance, he's been under constant attack from nearly everyone. Personally I think he got involved for 1 simple reason, to retain his properties.

The Graham Leach Blilely Act abolished sound lending standards set by Glass Steagall, and our commercial banks have already destroyed over 60 million titles to homes in this nation, a lot of those impaired titles are residing in the morgues of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

I also believe Clinton was coordinating with European banks like UBS and DB to steal both commercial properties and our natural resources, that's really what Uranium 1 was all about. I know they can't tell the truth but somewhere along the line we're going to have to straighten this disaster created by Alan Greenspan, Larry Summers, Robert Rubin and Bill Clinton. It will be really ugly, but if we want to retain private property rights we have to do it.


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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 12:05 PM
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Trump is often accused of being deceitful but if you actually take a step back and look at what Trump promised he would do and what he has already done in just one year it's clear he intends to deliver on most promises, unlike pretty much every other politician ever. It's as if we suddenly forgot that politicians are narcissistic liars who constantly spew BS like a fountain.



Nailed it! This is one of the biggest problems for the left when coupled with their reasoning he can't be trusted. They tell us he is a liar and deceitful non-stop. But when campaign promise after campaign promise is being fulfilled, don't be surprised that we completely ignore pointless topics the MSM push to deflect from Trump fulfilling those promises. I'd also say don't act surprised or horrified again when he is reelected in 2020. He is literally the first president in my lifetime to actually fight for promises made to his supporters. So unless that changes, I'll be casting my vote to the man again in 2020.
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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 12:12 PM
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I don't care for him either, but at the very worst he is doing something for the country that has been desperately needed for most of my 45 years on this planet.

He is making people pay attention to the govt, Congress has gotten away with murder because people stopped paying attention now you have the left and the right paying attention and doing a little house cleaning as we go, this is a very good thing.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I feel the same way. I was happy to dig into a new president (force of habit), then I saw who was in the wrong and who was actually fighting for us.

The opposition is insane, reprehensible, and engaged in an all out mess. Thats unappealing.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

That's all very well put. However, I dare say you may have missed a point salient to many of us here in fly-over country. That point is that the Obama elections so clearly pointed out the horrible flaws in the entire two-party system that many of us no longer respect or ackowledge the validity of Federal elections. The result is simply the "no one is President of me!" sentiment. It wouldn't matter who was elected in 2016, I won't "support" them.

If you want us back as supporters of your Federal government, fix the system, otherwise, you can tell whoever this system produces as winner of these bogus systems to sod off!



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

He has overcome every obstacle thrown at him, every Russia conspiracy, every scandal, blown away in the wind like dust.

False premise, it's not over yet, but I guess you just, 'threw that in' with a serious heap of misconception.

He has done very little, the Tax 'reform' being the most obvious, while that is being heavily criticised anyway.
Job gains are on par, so no great shakes there either, while American steel workers might wonder why their steel isn't being used to build the Keystone XL pipeline...why, because it's already being constructed and has been exempted from using American steel, while the proposed Dakota pipeline, if it happens will only have a maximum 60% American steel, but Trump still used the soundbytes to the steel workers.
Allowing a coal mine to be opened...??



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder
I'm sorry that whole thing about liberals attacking Assange, what happened to conservatives being anti-leakers and that these traitorous people are leaking classified information. Which is illegal, but then it's ok when it suits your political agenda lol.

It's just like conservatives attacking Mueller now that he has found something, when before they had whole heartedly supported him. It's some hypocritical sh*t.

As for his promises, "Wall will be built and Mexico is gonna pay for it, BELIEVE ME". He says that a lot at the end of his promises lol. He just sent congress a 18$billion bill for the wall.
He also promised "healthcare for everyone and at much better prices"...key word EVERYONE, which sounds like the most liberal sh*t a conservative can say.

But this is 2017 and words don't mean sh*t. I find it a little funny that a man's word, even the President's means nothing to you people.

Have you ever heard him talk about policy, not only does he not have a specific plan for anything he can't even talk about the plans his conservative handlers make for him. It's usually a lot of "this is great, better than before, a lot of fantastic things are happening and you'll see how beautifully it turns out" without a single specific detail about any of it.

Have you ever heard Obama, Clinton, even W Bush talk policy. They had specifics and at least had the semblance of knowing what they were talking about.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 01:40 PM
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I still don't really like Trump overall but I've come to respect him as a person and as a leader.

I am amazed at most of your post but especially this. Respect a very important word. It seems People have come to respect completely opposite things that were formerly worth respecting. As a Christian, I leave politics to the ones who feel attached to this world but I still look and still see. I will skip the messages on Women.

He does seem to know his followers.



Trump: “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”




Trump: “Part of the beauty of me is that I’m very rich.”




Trump: “I fully think apologizing is a great thing. But you have to be WRONG ... I will absolutely apologize sometime in the hopefully distant future if I’m ever wrong.”





Trump: “When people wrong you, go after those people, because it is a good feeling and because other people will see you doing it. I always get even.”





Trump: “Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest — and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure, it’s not your fault.”




Trump: “I’m in total support of waterboarding. It has to be within the law, but I have to expand the law.”



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 01:57 PM
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I'm sorry that whole thing about liberals attacking Assange, what happened to conservatives being anti-leakers and that these traitorous people are leaking classified information. Which is illegal, but then it's ok when it suits your political agenda lol.

I have supported Wikileaks for many years, before I even joined ATS. However I'm more of a libertarian than a conservative, but I know there are many conservatives who support Wikileaks. There is a difference between a Republican such as John McCain and Rand Paul. Without even looking it up I can be fairly certain one would have a favorable attitude towards Wikileaks and the other would not. Furthermore, I'm quite certain there are many Democrats who believe leakers should be dealt with harshly. It's a complex issue and people have diverse opinions. Also, Wikileaks and Assange are not located in the U.S. and they aren't the original leakers, they release information given to them.


As for his promises, "Wall will be built and Mexico is gonna pay for it, BELIEVE ME". He says that a lot at the end of his promises lol.

Well we have yet to see if any wall gets built, but honestly I hope it doesn't and I never really expected it to happen because it's a fairly dumb idea and would be very expensive. Of course there's going to be some things he cannot do, especially the most expensive and controversial promises. You should be glad he's not making it a major priority.


He also promised "healthcare for everyone and at much better prices"...key word EVERYONE, which sounds like the most liberal sh*t a conservative can say.

Well if he said he was going to lower taxes for everyone or lower the cost of living for everyone I wouldn't consider that very "liberal", it depends on the method used to achieve that goal. I actually just came across a video from Rand Paul where he talks about the intelligence of Trump and how he was able to quickly find a way for individuals to join together to buy insurance across state lines:



Have you ever heard him talk about policy, not only does he not have a specific plan for anything

Maybe you just haven't bothered to check what his plans are, did you even look at the link in my opening post which outlines Trump's "Contract with the American Voter", it contains quite specific details about the things he plans to do or has already done. Just because his ideas and his approach is different to all the typical politicians which came before him doesn't mean his ideas or plans are bad. Maybe you've just gotten so used to the same old approach that you now cannot see why other approaches could be superior. You've been told for so long how the economy should work a certain way but all of it is lies, and now Trump is proving he understands more about how the economy works than most economic professors.
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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
If we're being honest with ourselves Trump isn't really a very likable person ... and Trump isn't quite as smart as he'd like to believe.


Think of it this way.

Trump isn't very smart, but he is smart enough.

Trump is smart where it counts.

Trump is smart enough to hire very smart people to figure out what he needs to do for him.

Trump applies the biblical old testament advice religiously,



If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct. -- KJV, Ecclesiastes 10:10


See? If you yourself are lacking some wisdom, then if you can just figure out how to "direct" the wisdom of others to your benefit, then you can still profit.

That's Trump.

Completely, old testament.

Trump figures out how to get contractors who know how to build things, to work for him, with a promise to pay, and then he profits big time by not paying them. He's directed their wisdom to his advantage.

Trump is smart, but not in the kind of way that people like.

It's a diabolical type of intelligence.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 02:14 PM
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False premise, it's not over yet, but I guess you just, 'threw that in' with a serious heap of misconception.

Well I think we can be pretty certain at this point any Russian investigations are dead in the water but who really knows, hold onto that shred of hope if it helps. Also I was more talking about the few dozen previous calls for impeachment which have failed and/or backfired seriously. It's quite amazing really, one might think he had a teflon coating.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 02:44 PM
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He's directed their wisdom to his advantage.

Trump is smart, but not in the kind of way that people like.

It's a diabolical type of intelligence.

I don't really see anything diabolical about that approach, it's the most logical approach, no one is an expert at everything to tasks and decisions need to be delegated. I do see your point though, he's successful because he has little remorse and does what it takes to get the job done, he probably enjoyed firing people on television. But I also tend to think he actually cares quite about about appeasing the will of the people and being a successful president just because he wants people to like him and know how brilliant he is.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
It's quite amazing really, one might think he had a teflon coating.


The teflon coating is provided by membership in the right brotherhood



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 06:31 PM
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you're right, he is a very clever man. here's the thing: he's only clever when it comes to playing monopoly. but america is not a board game.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 07:22 PM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

I don't really see anything diabolical about that approach, it's the most logical approach, no one is an expert at everything to tasks and decisions need to be delegated.


Well all corporations make use of expertise from various sources, but these are typically "paid" for their work.



I do see your point though, he's successful because he has little remorse ..


Little remorse for the other guys pocket book.

It's diabolical because it's not accidental. Many people go bankrupt in their lifetimes, owing to bad judgements, and unforeseen circumstances, but Trump is the only person I have seen declare it's just a "tool" of business, which he has and does use "regularly."

In other words, bankruptcy is not an exceptional event in Trump's investment projects, it's a planned and engineered event carefully crafted with his lawyers so that he comes out of it squeeky clean, while everyone else involved gets burned.

He enters the deals knowing the outcomes in advance.

He doesn't take any risk.

When everything falls apart, everyone is ruined, but he remains the last man standing.

This is why so many contractors sued Trump.

Normally, it's the investors that lose money, the workers get paid.

Labor isn't speculation.

But, Trump treats labor as simply another investor speculating along with him.



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