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Did Liberals Forget About The Goldwater Rule?

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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 10:17 AM
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I posted this is another thread but it's also relevant here.

Just to refresh everyone's memory:


On Wednesday night, before Washington was completely consumed by Michael Wolff’s West Wing tell-all, Politico published a piece feeding into a different frenzy: the notion that Congress was concerned President Trump might be mentally unfit for office.

The article, titled “Washington’s growing obsession: The 25th amendment,” claims that more than a dozen lawmakers—all Democrats, with the exception of one nameless Republican senator—attended private briefings in early December with a Yale psychiatry professor to discuss Trump’s mental health.

The most interesting detail of the story, of course, was that one rebellious Republican senator had met with Dr. Bandy Lee to discuss her belief that Trump is unfit to serve as commander-in-chief. Politico reported that Lee refused to name the GOP lawmaker she claimed to have had a meeting with.


Turns out this woman is prone to exaggeration:


In an on-the-record phone call with TWS Saturday afternoon, Lee admitted her “meeting” with a Republican senator was not actually scheduled and that it was, in her own words, “accidental.”

“The meeting happened—it wasn’t arranged in advance,” she said. “It was accidental. It was incidental, I will say. It was incidental.”

The only details Lee recounted to TWS were that the interaction allegedly took place on December 5, when she was in a Senate office building. Asked whether her “meeting” with a Republican senator happened in an office hallway, where visitors often get a chance to see lawmakers in transit, Lee paused. “I won’t comment. I’m sorry,” she answered.

Whatever the circumstances of the encounter, when TWS asked whether the nameless Republican senator was sympathetic to her view of Trump’s mental health, Lee was quick to admit they were not.

“No,” she answered. “I mean, they engaged us, but that’s about it.”


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Running into someone in a hallway and asking them a blindside question is not a "meeting", and leaving it implied in the original story that the Republican senator was concerned about Trump's health was incredibly dishonest by her, Politico, or both. Why the need to mislead people? What else has she been untruthful about or exaggerated?




posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Thank you my friend, and right back at ya. Looks like we're gonna need a bigger boat. People are starting to realize the other one is going down like the Titanic.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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The op has pointed out that the APA has a rule called the Goldwater rule that is present. And we should first look at such and then proceed with the other parts.

The Goldwater rule:
On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement.

The past 3 years has been a roller coaster ride of speculations about the various candidates health and being, all based on what we see and video that is carefully edited, time and time again. Now the election is over and right now the focus is on the President and his mental health.

The first question should be this: Is there a precedent in history with past presidents where we should be concerned with the mental health of the president of the United States. The answer should be a resounding yes. There are 2 points on this that would indicate such, one being Nixon and the other being Reagan.

Before Nixon resigned, he was heavily depressed and drinking heavily. It was reported, that he has contemplated actually launching and using nuclear weapons as a last ditch effort to try to save himself. He also came up with what would be known as the madman strategy, where those he was negotiating with had to believe he would actually use that. Even the Defense Secretary James Schlesinger, wondered one question that no one had ever dared to ask: Who could check the President when it came to Nuclear Weapons?

The other is Reagan. This was a man who was popular and managed to win the presidency. However, in his second term, it was noted that there were problems that were exhibited and noted, in his speech, his slurring and he did not seem to remember much. The public appearances of the President was slowly decreased and those around him kept him well shielded and guarded. It was not until after he left the office, that it was revealed that the man had Alzheimer’s disease, a form of dementia. But what is far more dangerous there, is that for those who have ever dealt with a person who has this disease, then they would know that a person with such a disease tends to forget, or makes mistakes, and as president could be very dangerous if not have far more damaging consequences for the country. And what is even worse, is that there is all indication that the man was suffering through this while in office.

Now that being stated, while it is true that the man is going to have to go through a mandatory physical, and that is fine, that will tell us his physical condition, however it will not go into the mental health of the president.

I believe that we should possibly look at that maybe it is time to include a mental health evaluation on the person who is president or would be president. With all of the stresses, and demands of the job, along with the responsibility of having control over the military and its weapons, along with the duties that are required by the president, should not it be both physical and mental health is required to hold the office of the President?



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 02:10 PM
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This is what it takes to get to the front page nowadays people, soak it in.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
This is what it takes to get to the front page nowadays people, soak it in.


Id think the Brits would be over the moon about one of their stories, about their retail outlets, getting discussed here.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: face23785


Running into someone in a hallway and asking them a blindside question is not a "meeting", and leaving it implied in the original story that the Republican senator was concerned about Trump's health was incredibly dishonest by her, Politico, or both. Why the need to mislead people? What else has she been untruthful about or exaggerated?


That Liberal psychiatrist should be investigated by her professional association, she don't deserve to be licensed to practice.

She also has a book out "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump"
www.amazon.com...

Lady has a case of Trump Derangement Syndrome as bad as some of the members here.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler

originally posted by: face23785


Running into someone in a hallway and asking them a blindside question is not a "meeting", and leaving it implied in the original story that the Republican senator was concerned about Trump's health was incredibly dishonest by her, Politico, or both. Why the need to mislead people? What else has she been untruthful about or exaggerated?


That Liberal psychiatrist should be investigated by her professional association, she don't deserve to be licensed to practice.

She also has a book out "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump"
www.amazon.com...

Lady has a case of Trump Derangement Syndrome as bad as some of the members here.


Honestly I'd have to agree. If she was my psychiatrist I'd go see someone else. Her professional judgement is compromised by her politics. She learns a lot of personal details about clients. How can you be sure her advice to you isn't skewed by her disapproval of some of your lifestyle preferences or political opinions? You could use that "what if" about any professional you see, but once one has actually demonstrated he/she will do this it becomes a lot more real.
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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig




I believe that we should possibly look at that maybe it is time to include a mental health evaluation on the person who is president or would be president. With all of the stresses, and demands of the job, along with the responsibility of having control over the military and its weapons, along with the duties that are required by the president, should not it be both physical and mental health is required to hold the office of the President?



Look at some of the earlier tapes of Trump. He is lucid, articulate and had a sense of humor. Compare those tapes of Trump with some recent ones. I think the Psychiatrists have a valid case against the twitter in chief.

www.psychologytoday.com...

there's also this .....

www.rawstory.com...
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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 04:52 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Yeah because nobody changes in between tapes of them 30 years ago and tapes of them today. Such changes are definitely a sign of mental instability.

Just when I think you guys can't embarrass yourselves any more, you find a way to raise the bar.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

If the professionals choose to break their own code, it must be serious.
Politicians, dem or rep, have personal opinions all the time and name calling. Especially the president.


Not really, it could also be that psychiatrists like that Yale professor simply want to label political dissent and political differences from his/her own as "dangerous" out of his/her own political bias, which it's the case with this and many other psychiatrists.

This is not the first time that many in the left, including the DNC, have labeled people who don't agree with them in politics or other subjects as "having mental disorders"...



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 06:26 PM
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originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler
In brief it says it is unethical for medical professionals to diagnose any public official with any type of disease or mental disability, without checking them out first, or consulting with that specific public officials primary doctor.

We got told this after Hillary started hacking up green things in glasses of water at campaign rallies, and collapsing at 9/11 Memorials. Now they do it against Trump. What a bunch of pansies.

I guess the good ol' democratic adage is alive and well. If Democrats didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.


Every side says/does the same # against the other side...It's really funny to step back and watch the show. I saw a tweet the other day saying they can't wait for Oprah to run for president because then they'll see democrats back a billionaire with no political experience, and for republicans to suddenly say those things matter...
It's just like democrats hating on Bush and republicans saying people should respect the office of president...then under Obama those roles reversed, and now under Trump they've switched back again and each side goes on hating on each other



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

The problem here is that no one really knows. They can only speculate, and ultimately suspect, but with nothing really conclusive. And here is the other aspect is that Donald Trump is the oldest person ever elected to office. And the older generation usually has to deal with age related problems.

So while physically the man be in the best shape of a 70 yo could be, however, mentally no one really knows, unless the sit him down, and have professionals to examine him fully and completely. And for that one would need a psychologist and a neurologist to administer those tests.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: olaru12
And here is the other aspect is that Donald Trump is the oldest person ever elected to office. And the older generation usually has to deal with age related problems.


The oldest was Ronald Reagan, who was 73 years, 274 days at the time of his election to a second term



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

If the professionals choose to break their own code, it must be serious.
Politicians, dem or rep, have personal opinions all the time and name calling. Especially the president.


Not really, it could also be that psychiatrists like that Yale professor simply want to label political dissent and political differences from his/her own as "dangerous" out of his/her own political bias, which it's the case with this and many other psychiatrists.

This is not the first time that many in the left, including the DNC, have labeled people who don't agree with them in politics or other subjects as "having mental disorders"...



Well said. Not to mention they have a long history of falsely labeling people all kinds of things for political purposes, sexist, racist, etc. They have no credibility. Cried wolf too many times.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler
a reply to: TinySickTears

Is there not some checks in place already for if the President goes crazy?

There must be.


25th Amendment, for starters.


True but do we want to prove some of that before we act? Maybe one thing.

I saw a few maniacal people who hate Trump so bad they can't see straight wanting things that have bad karma as "what comes around goes around". I see some of the left not so maniacal going along with them for now.

If you go for a sitting POTUS with this lame BS based on your prior hate for the candidate and nothing remotely worthy of the 25th, as we have so far nothing, then they will be able to go for the next POTUS with even more ridiculous reasons until Tyranny is not only upon us but having it's boot firmly on our throats.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 07:40 PM
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In my non professional opinion: Trump has (at the very least) narcissistic personality disorder.

He is so thin skinned he needs to lash out at people several times a week if not everyday.

Most politicians simply ignore the haters, he obsesses over it and simply cannot stop himself from tweeting that he is "like, really smart and stable" or that he knows more about tax law and health insurance than "pretty much anybody".... this list goes on and on.

He says he will create the "best/greatest winning team" in the history of government, yet he's had so many people leave or get fired from his administration its hard to keep up. He praises many of these people before hand, then he tweets insults at them when the # hits the fan again.

He takes credit for the lack of airplane accidents this year when there hasn't been a passenger plane crash for like 9 years.

He takes credit for the economy when they only just passed their first budget.

The guy acts like a child.



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Thank you my friend, and right back at ya. Looks like we're gonna need a bigger boat. People are starting to realize the other one is going down like the Titanic.


I can donate some wood and sweat to help.



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 06:02 AM
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It's desparation. Nothing else is working and Trump is being an effective president which they hate. They are the ones that need psychiatric help including those here who think this is actually going to work. Trump winning had severe psychological effects on his haters on top of being gas lighted by the media for the last 2 years. Why do you think they are howling at the moon?



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 06:07 AM
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originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: olaru12
And here is the other aspect is that Donald Trump is the oldest person ever elected to office. And the older generation usually has to deal with age related problems.



The oldest was Ronald Reagan, who was 73 years, 274 days at the time of his election to a second term


Not to mention they loved Bernie Sander who is 79. Then they want him to run again in 2020, he'll be 83 and they would vote for him even if he had gout. Hillary claims she dies yoga and can hardly lift a foot to go up a stair. Then her weird unexplained "seizures." Trump is actually in great physical shape for his age. Way better shape than the Democratic nominees.



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You have to have a mental disorder to be a politician. Live two lives. Waking up each day knowing you are in Power to destroy. And convincing people it’s for their own good. They call it “leadership” for justification.




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