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Did Liberals Forget About The Goldwater Rule?

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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:15 AM
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In brief it says it is unethical for medical professionals to diagnose any public official with any type of disease or mental disability, without checking them out first, or consulting with that specific public officials primary doctor.

We got told this after Hillary started hacking up green things in glasses of water at campaign rallies, and collapsing at 9/11 Memorials. Now they do it against Trump. What a bunch of pansies.

I guess the good ol' democratic adage is alive and well. If Democrats didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.



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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:20 AM
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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:24 AM
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originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler

In brief it says it is unethical for medical professionals to diagnose any public official...


Wrong. It states that only APA members should not diagnose politicians without seeing them.


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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler

In brief it says it is unethical for medical professionals to diagnose any public official...


Wrong. It states that only APA members should not diagnose politicians without seeing them.


Only the APA?
You sure about your statement?


American Medical Association[edit]
In the fall of 2017, the American Medical Association's Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs wrote new guidelines into the AMA Code of Medical Ethics, stating that physicians should refrain “from making clinical diagnoses about individuals (e.g., public officials, celebrities, persons in the news) they have not had the opportunity to personally examine.”[10][11]

en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: EvidenceNibbler


That isn't the 'Goldwater Rule', that is their own interpretation of the APA guideline. The Goldwater Rule was devised by the APA and is not universal as evidence by the fact that the APsaA doesn't use it.

Also, the APA rule states it is 'unethical', the AMA's says that it's members should 'refrain'. Bigly difference Steveo.




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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:30 AM
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This is a slippery slope and something I really wish people didn't engage in.

Psychiatry has been used a weapon in politics to terrible effect many times around the world.

It's the kind of crap done in third world crapholes, communist dictatorships, and gangster governments like the Russian Federation.


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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: EvidenceNibbler

You don't have to be a psychiatrist or mental health professional to see that Trump is a guy that doesn't wash his fruit.

Twitter.....really?


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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: EvidenceNibbler

To be fair, I haven't heard of anyone who's actually 'diagnosed' him with anything... They've just speculated on his mental stability... or lack of.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: EvidenceNibbler


In brief it says it is unethical for medical professionals to diagnose any public official with any type of disease or mental disability, without checking them out first, or consulting with that specific public officials primary doctor.

Did you just say its wrong to say bad things about the gubment without first running it thru proper channels?

Sich Heil.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: EvidenceNibbler


That isn't the 'Goldwater Rule', that is their own interpretation of the APA guideline. The Goldwater Rule was devised by the APA and is not universal as evidence by the fact that the APsaA doesn't use it.

Also, the APA rule states it is 'unethical', the AMA's says that it's members should 'refrain'. Bigly difference Steveo.







Ah, thank you! I learned something. This person, is just a troll though. Been a member since the 26th of December and has been on non stop, probably with another window open with another screen name.


Anyway thanks again for the info.




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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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It began with rapist then it became tax cheat, then it became racist,then it became Russian puppet,and a year later after throwing everything including the kitchen sink. Today it's nuts.

The question should be did liberals forget how to run on a political platform instead of making endless ad homenims ?



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:46 AM
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In brief it says it is unethical for medical professionals to diagnose any public official with any type of disease or mental disability, without checking them out first, or consulting with that specific public officials primary doctor.

Mental health professionals believe they have a Duty to Warn.

What about the Goldwater Rule?
“The Goldwater Rule is not absolute. We have a ‘Duty to Warn,’ about a leader who is dangerous to the health and security of our patients.” Mental-health professionals are “sufficiently alarmed that they feel the need to speak up about the mental-health status of the president.”
www.adutytowarn.org...



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:46 AM
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Section 7.3 (the 'Goldwater Rule') of American Psychiatric Association Principles of Medical Ethics With Annotations Especially Applicable to Psychiatry, states:


On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper
authorization for such a statement.


Notice it was put out by the APA, and specifically say psychiatrists.
DL Link

Expanded Rule, 2017: DL
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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: EvidenceNibbler


In brief it says it is unethical for medical professionals to diagnose any public official with any type of disease or mental disability, without checking them out first, or consulting with that specific public officials primary doctor.

Did you just say its wrong to say bad things about the gubment without first running it thru proper channels?

Sich Heil.


Sieg?


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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: EvidenceNibbler


I know what it is, and you are a troll......





If one has no cognitive argument pertaining to the subject then the next best thing to do is to throw out names and attack the author.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: EvidenceNibbler




In brief it says it is unethical for medical professionals to diagnose any public official with any type of disease or mental disability, without checking them out first, or consulting with that specific public officials primary doctor.

Mental health professionals believe they have a Duty to Warn.

What about the Goldwater Rule?
“The Goldwater Rule is not absolute. We have a ‘Duty to Warn,’ about a leader who is dangerous to the health and security of our patients.” Mental-health professionals are “sufficiently alarmed that they feel the need to speak up about the mental-health status of the president.”
www.adutytowarn.org...


As Bandy Lee, author of The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump, states:


We are assessing dangerousness, not making a diagnosis. The two are quite separate: Assessing dangerousness is making a judgment about the situation, not the person. The same person may not be dangerous in a different situation, for example. And it is his threat to public health, not his personal affairs, that is our concern.

A diagnosis, on the other hand, is a personal affair that does not change with situation, and you require all relevant information — including, I believe, a personal interview. Most people who are dangerous do not have a diagnosable mental illness, and most people with mental illness are more likely to be victims than perpetrators.

Also, once you declare danger, you are calling first for containment and removal of weapons from the person and, second, for a full evaluation — which may then yield diagnoses. Until that happens, physicians and mental health professionals are expected to err on the side of safety and can be held legally liable if they fail to act. So we’re merely calling for an urgent evaluation so that we may have definitive answers.

In doing that, we are fulfilling a routine, public expectation of duty that comes with our profession — the only part that is unusual is that this is happening in the presidency. Perhaps this is reason to build in a fitness for duty, or capacity, exam for presidential candidates, just like for military officers, so that this does not happen again.
Vox
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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
It began with rapist then it became tax cheat, then it became racist,then it became Russian puppet,and a year later after throwing everything including the kitchen sink. Today it's nuts.

The question should be did liberals forget how to run on a political platform instead of making endless ad homenims ?


Great points now add to that the Dems have no unified leadership and they are running out of money. Sucks to be them.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: kurthall

He has been floating around with different names for a while.
He's been super triggered for many months now.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:57 AM
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As has already been explained to you on previous threads.....


The Goldwater rule clashes with the duty to warn, many mental health professionals believe that Trump is a danger and as such the public deserve to be warned of this.

They have not yet made a absolute disagnosis but dementia is the leading thought.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:58 AM
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Oh lordy, the triggered mouse is back again with his posts about librulhs, which then trigger his triggerable friends to have their little rant about libruhls too.


I don't know why the mods allow this. I guess ATS is just click-bait trash these days. Pays the bills better I guess.



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