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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 03:13 PM
a reply to: CardDown

Oh...that Chris Bledsoe. Ewww. "Ufology" has always been full of muck. Jim Moseley was right.

posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 03:27 PM

originally posted by: Kevin2024

It is interesting however, that all this "stuff" is coming closer to the surface of conventional media
than I ever thought it would.


Which is helmed by the national security state, so the question does become why? Why the unprecedented and obviously concerted MSM push? Is what's coming out of TTSA state-sponsored? If that were so, it still wouldn't mean it was a Disclosure program. It could be some DoD strategy for example.

HOWEVER, I don't totally rule out that we're being prepped for disclosure, but if so, what they would seemingly be prepping us for is that "They" are of the interdimensional variety rather than extraterrestrial.

Dr. Green did spin such a tale of a teaser in Mirage Men (The Book.) I have that quote somewhere...

posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 03:31 PM
hey GUT.

I'd like to read up on the kit green TIGER experiment and the one with the Chinese attempt to entangle brains with a MRI machine. got any good links. i got nothing to do today except relax and it sounds like a fascinating read.

posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 03:35 PM
a reply to: BASSPLYR

10-4, I'll scare it up.

posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 03:37 PM
a reply to: Kevin2024

Did you read Russell Targ's amazon review of the book "Phenomenon", where he disputes quite a bit?

Yes I did Kev. We Europeans are way ahead of you

It's on page 150 of the Rendlesham thread : Link

Joking apart I'll admit that although I've often used that Rendlesham thread as a source of my own amusement I am sort of glad it keeps ticking over. Because all the frivolous jokey and even snarky comments apart in there I think you can point to that era when things got seriously stranger and weirder in ufology. There is a lot of disinfo still coming out about that case but even that is quite interesting to dissect.

Sometimes things don't particularly make sense when you first hear or read them but then little pieces of the puzzle eventually fall into place. Who would have thought that strange things that happened on our patch in 1980 would still have relevance 37 years later as Tom DeLonge heads "To the Stars" across the Atlantic?

BTW I'm trying to get to the bottom of something else and can't keep up at the moment.....but thanks everyone who has joined in on the thread with information. It almost feels like the old days of ATS.

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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 03:49 PM
a reply to: 1ofthe9

As for the Ambient Monitoring Project...might be some overlap there with the aforementioned wormhole detection equipment.

A bit more information on that one.

MUFON released details of it in their July 2008 journal : Link to MUFON Journal July 2008

AMP originally stood for Abduction Monitoring Project, but after the early days of dealing with equipment and parts
suppliers, we changed the name and noticed that we got better service and more serious attention when we used the word Ambient instead of Abduction.....

The intention of the project was to place a data collecting sensor system in the homes of repeat abduction experiencers...
For five years the UFO Research Coalition actively operated the project with basically two years devoted to
instrument development and three years devoted to data collection....

During the entire study, the subjects in their homes kept a daily journal of their abduction experiences, if any should

When all of the data had been collected for all of the cases, the data and the journals were to be compared by other third party researchers and a final report for the project written. The data is being analyzed now by Dr. Steve Crunk,
of the Department of Mathematics at San Jose State University.

It then seems everything went very quiet and despite Jack Brewer at UFO Trail pointing out that " inquiries about the AMP spanning some three years, from 2008 to 2011, and conducted both publicly and privately, as well as through a variety of venues and types of interactions.publication and disclosure of such information is universally recognized as standard procedure throughout the nonprofit industry" he was being stonewalled with claims that funding had dried up.

Hmmm! But MUFON were getting funding weren't they in that time period? I'll quote Jack's blog to complete the story with the knowledge of what we now know that we didn't know back in 2014 when he wrote it up.

....during a May, 2011, discussion that took place on the Reality Uncovered forum, Deuley [Tom Deuley , MUFON Director, former US Navy Lt. Cmdr and I don't have to write An Essay here ]wrote, “The AMP group is still in search of a qualified statistician and the funds necessary to have the data analyzed.”

When asked about such issues and discrepancies, including specifically how the AMP was funded and where the funds originated, Deuley failed to reply...

Contradicting statements and lack of responses to reasonable questions became the norm from organization leaders and pertaining to the AMP. Depending on who you asked and when you asked them.....

The project understandably ignited considerable public interest ...The ultimate lack of data analysis was met with a great deal of disappointment. Various efforts were initiated by interested members of the public to coordinate the raising of funds to assist with completion of the project. Efforts were also undertaken to obtain the data in order to submit it for qualified analysis. I am unaware of any successes in these areas, and, to the best of my knowledge, all interested parties eventually resigned themselves to the conclusion that, for whatever reasons, the AMP would not be completed or passed to others for completion......

There is much more that people should read in that blog. But for brevity I'll once again selectively quote Jack Brewer who was aware of Bigelow's funding at the time (but despite suspecting it did not know it was coming from the US Government via Bigelow).

And here's what I'm getting at with the Bigelow bit: I'm not entirely clear on how a guy can keep bringing spoiled potato salad to the pot luck yet keep getting invited back. Bigelow was involved in derailing MUFON's research of alien abduction via the Carpenter Affair; he aligned with FUFOR before what were reported as differences in control of URC caused a complete break; and MUFON then gave him a stamp of approval as big man on campus for what turned into the STAR Team fiasco - all of which was enabled by many of the same men who sat front and center for the entire chain of events. They simultaneously sat on multiple boards and were founding members of the organizations involved, yet continued to dance with Bigelow as if they were unaware that doing so tended to become problematic. Not entirely clear on all that. ...

Please consider an aspect of the historical relationship between the intelligence community and nonprofit organizations. There is a long and well documented history of IC manipulation of the funding process and the resulting covert distribution of funds for classified purposes....

I have a couple of points here, please. Thanks for sticking with me.

One, it would certainly seem that if:

a) current and former employees of intelligence agencies, people who hold security clearances and such, decided to get together to investigate UFOs in unofficial capacities, and they

b) sit on boards of directors of multiple nonprofit corporations simultaneously, and they

c) form and incorporate more UFO-related nonprofit organizations for whatever reasons, then:

They should fully expect to practice transparency to absolutely exemplary extents. Wouldn't one think they should understand the public concerns?

They would seemingly accept full responsibility, given the range of circumstances and the natures of the UFO and intelligence communities, for even overcompensating and offering transparency and public accountability above and beyond industry standards. Such would be the case, it would seem, if they had any interests in fostering trust, establishing credibility and cultivating an environment conducive to best practices.

If they do not look at the circumstances in those manners, and they do not understand such situations to be the case, and they instead practice a lack of public accountability, then might we not reasonably ask what's the matter with them? Are they stupid? Do they enjoy instigating conspiracy theories about themselves and their organizations?

The second point is that I don't claim to know what happened to the AMP....

Source : UFO Trail 2014

Sounds to me that someone doesn't want that AMP report to ever see the light of day. I could also postulate that there might well be a motive behind that as well.

posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 03:53 PM
Just because I brought it up...

Dr Green - "In a country that has a large, educated population there is a large subset of individuals who suffer from what's called paraphrenia. Paraphrenia is a form of mental illness that doesn't interfere with your everyday life. It means that you can have a delusion and not be crazy, a delusion that you can confine and control. Many of us have one corner of the mind that is delusional - I bet you that I do.

'I might, for example, be religious - I'm an Episcopalian, though as such, I am protected from diagnosis, as are all the UFO buffs, because a large social structure of shared beliefs, like a religion, cannot be a delusion. So all those people who believe that they are being beamed at by the government can no longer be diagnosed as crazy - there are just too many of them.

'But, if there is a condition that is threatening to the social structure - like the idea that the aliens are here and they are taking our babies, or that God hates people of a certain creed or colour - and if people who believe in that kind of delusion band together, they can end up encouraging each other to get a lot sicker, or they strap on belts and make themselves human bombs. So we have to know how to deal with these people and how to prevent them from being dangerous to others.

'This applies to the UFO problem. If something really strange in the area of UFOs is true, then what do we do about conveying that information to the public? First we consider what may be the basic facts: maybe there are civilised lifeforms elsewhere in the universe; maybe they visited us in their spaceships a couple of times and then went back home; perhaps they left a vehicle or some technology behind and we've spent a lot of time and money trying to figure out how to use it. And there may be people in the government who believe that this did happen, and believe that the information needs to be public knowledge, because perhaps someone outside of the government will be able to make sense of their technology. But there's another group of people in power who say, "No, it will make them sick to know all this, we can't let the story out, it's too dangerous." '

John and I glanced at each other. My mouth was dry...Things were getting strange again. Did Kit just tell us that these things happened? Was that a hypothetical scenario he had just presented us with, or one that he believed to be real? Kit continued.

'So, what do we do? There are studies on both sides of the problem. Some show that people will go crazy and jump of bridges when they're presented with this information. Others, however, say that if you don't want them to go crazy, what you do is systematically desensitize their fears.

'If you are a psychiatrist with a patient you can do that in a very methodical way. If you are a sociologist working with a group of students at a university you can do this in a very structured and experimental way. But if you are a government with a population it's a lot more complicated. Sure, there are those who are just going to shrug and say, "I always knew the aliens were real, it's no big deal." But you also know that some of them are nuttier than a fruitcake and could cause a lot of trouble. So we have to ask ourselves how we can tell people what they deserve to know and, maybe, what they need to know?

'The way to do it is to construct a framework whereby they can parse out the things that they've heard that are not true, and you whittle it down to a manageable story. A story like this: "There were three spaceships that came here over thirty years, and we've got one of them. We can't figure out how it works, we've crashed it because there's a lot of physics that we've still got to learn. We do have something that's like a magnethydrodynamic toroid, and it really did get a craft of the ground, but it smelled bad and it killed a couple of pilots. And we're really sorry about that, but we did it because we've got this machine that came from another planet, and we need to know how it works." '

Oh god, he just did it again. I tried to slow my breathing to prevent the giddiness from becoming a full-on panic attack.

Kit carried on, oblivious to my inner struggle. I was glad not to be inside one of his MRI machines.

'How do you tell people that story? If it's true?' he added, almost parenthetically.

"If you were to give them the core story right off the bat, they'd get sick, so you do it slowly over ten or twenty years.You put out a bunch of movies, a bunch of books, a bunch of stories, a bunch of Internet memes about reptilian aliens eating our children, about all the crazy stuff that we've seen recently in Serpo. Then one day you say, "Hey, all that stuff is nonsense, relax, it's not that bad, you don't have to worry, the reality is this..." - and then you give them the real story."

Mirage Men by Mark Pilkington

The question it deflection for his own role in SERPO?
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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 03:53 PM
a reply to: The GUT

Honestly, I think they are growing batches of new "experiencers", so that they can then round them up and test them.

That's my take on it.

I'd say that most experiencers are singular or low-number episodic.

Not many get to the advanced stages of the disease.

Now in ancient India, it was socially acceptable for people to become fakir's / yogins.

In America/ the developed world you will just get accused (rightly so for the most part)
of mental illness.

I think this is the long game.. to disinfo society into creating experiencers for testing.

Do statistical analysis via the DB program, and to round up the noisiest / most promising

Then, by examining the region of the brain that includes the sensory and motor homunculous,
and the anterior singulata (among others -- this being the "antenna in my experience), their
DNA, their epigenetic modifications, etc. they hope to capture "god/aliens/new physics"
depending on their personal delusion.

That's my take on it.

As it turns out, I want some of my theories to be discussed on the Internet after all.. but I don't
want to do the whole KPB thing any more. I want to smoke my peace pipe and be left alone
with my happy family of wife and 3 dogs, to include a wonderful new puppy.


posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 03:55 PM
a reply to: mirageman

I just started relapsing a week ago, dipping my toe into reading ATS. I've been out of the game.

Good luck with your new lead. The work that you, The Gut, Isaac Koi and others do, in chasing
things down completely factually without drawing interum conclusions is very important work.


posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 03:56 PM

originally posted by: The GUT
Jim Moseley was right.

He had a good sense of humor about it though. Nice way to deal with the frequent absurdity.

posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 04:06 PM
Good news everyone. Found the emails, we connected over Facebook. If anyone wants the name of the guy or whatever, PM me.

The conference:
Be sure to check out some of the conference presentations...right up our allies.

I also agree with Kev's take on the reason for the experiencer program. My first thought hearing about it was that Kit was trying to find the next Pat Price. With this medical screening stuff, finding people like that got a lot easier...

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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 04:12 PM

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
hey GUT.

I'd like to read up on the kit green TIGER experiment and the one with the Chinese attempt to entangle brains with a MRI machine. got any good links. i got nothing to do today except relax and it sounds like a fascinating read.

Take Gary Bekkum with a BIG grain of salt, but don't totally ignore him---he's half-Bennewitz and half-Inspector Clouseau---he bumbles into things and has a long association with the players and lays out some aspects of this conundrum quite well. This will get you started with some back-history and some links.

What does spy-agency polygraph technology have in common with brain scanning fMRI and extraterrestrial telepathy?

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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 04:16 PM

originally posted by: ctj83
Here is what you can identify if you pay attention.
- Remote Viewing experiments for UAP experiencers
- precognitive / temporal RV via Grillflame binary coordinates
- possible attempt to communicate between entangled brains / same brain in the past
And the point of all of this?

Heh. Years ago, I would have said that it has to do with the creation of the universe in the distant past by "thinking it into existence" by remote viewing, collapsing the wave function, and stabilizing the universe as we know it today. That sort of explains why the universe seems so suited to humanity. Because a human (or group of humans) created it in such a way that we could eventually exist in it.

Take that, Creationists!

posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 04:28 PM
Lately, the concentration of referring to this as phenomena, or the phenomena, which Levenda introducing it in the Sekret book, may be telling us something, and Jacobson’s reference to Phenomenon.

In light of phenomenon being only a bridge to reality...

So IF aliens are Gods arms, he’s not going to show you his arms, he’s going to put you in a headlock, or hug you.

That is phenomena

posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 04:28 PM
a reply to: Blue Shift

Isaac Asimov wrote an entire book about your theory in his Robots of Dawn series.
Far future robot guardians of immense power did something awfully similar..
they rewrote time so that humans would be safe...
It led to an empty universe, like the one we apparently live in.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 04:32 PM
a reply to: The GUT

hey GUT thank you for the link. somethings stand out and corroborate somethings I've come across over the years.

posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 04:37 PM
a reply to: Willtell

I've posted this like 5 times, but all evidence seems to point in this direction:

from The Magus by John Fowles

Once upon a time there was a young prince, who believed in all things but three. He did not believe in princesses, he did not believe in islands, he did not believe in God. His father, the king, told him that such things did not exist. As there were no princesses or islands in his father's domaines, and no sign of God, the young prince believed his father.

But then, one day, the prince ran away from his palace. He came to the next land. There, to his astonishment, from every coast he saw islands, and on these islands, strange and troubling creatures whom he dared not name. As he was searching for a boat, a man in full evening dress approached him along the shore.

"Are those real islands?" asked the young prince.

"Of course they are real islands," said the man in evening dress.

"And those strange and troubling creatures?"

"They are all genuine and authentic princesses."

"Then God also must exist!" cried the prince.

"I am God," replied the man in full evening dress, with a bow.

The young prince returned home as quickly as he could.

"So you are back," said his father, the king.

"I have seen islands, I have seen princesses, I have seen God," said the prince reproachfully.

The king was unmoved. "Neither real islands, nor real princesses, nor a real God, exist."

"I saw them!"

"Tell me how God was dressed."

"God was in full evening dress."

"Were the sleeves of his coat rolled back?"

The prince remembered that they had been. The king smiled. "That is the uniform of a magician. You have been deceived."

At this, the prince returned to the next land, and went to the same shore, where once again he came upon the man in full evening dress. "My father the king has told me who you are," said the young prince indignantly. "You deceived me last time, but not again. Now I know that those are not real islands and real princesses, because you are a magician."

The man on the shore smiled. "It is you who are deceived, my boy. In your father's kingdom there are many islands and many princesses. But you are under your father’s spell, so you cannot see them."

The prince returned pensively home. When he saw his father, he looked him in the eyes. "Father, is it true that you are not a real king, but only a magician?"

The king smiled, and rolled back his sleeves. "Yes, my son, I am only a magician."

"Then the man on the shore was God."

"The man on the shore was another magician."

"I must know the real truth, the truth beyond magic."

"There is no truth beyond magic," said the king.

The prince was full of sadness. He said, "I will kill myself."

The king by magic caused death to appear. Death stood in the door and beckoned to the prince. The prince shuddered. He remembered the beautiful but unreal islands and the unreal but beautiful princesses "Very well," he said. "I can bear it."

"You see, my son," said the king, "you too now begin to be a magician."


If all possible worlds exist "Just" as quantum waveforms, probably using the linked list coding methodology (no infinite copies), then everything is just vapor. One clear perception of this might collapse the entire thing.. which might happen
periodically..,. but it's all cyclic no doubt.

Hiding the "truth" is the most loving thing possible. Which would be the one reason I know all religion is false..
as perceiving "god" (acting at the level of the quantum pilot wave) would destroy reality.

Don't take my words seriously (as I roll up my coat sleeves).


posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 04:42 PM

originally posted by: Kevin2024
It led to an empty universe, like the one we apparently live in.

We have all the pieces. It's unlikely that I'm the only one trying to put them together.

posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 04:43 PM

originally posted by: Kevin2024
a reply to: ctj83
I have to really shake my head..

Kevin2024, You've been listening to Terence McKenn?

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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 04:44 PM
a reply to: Kevin2024

That was pure magic Kev!

Oh and I live on an island with real princesses.

I think!

Glad to have you back.

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