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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: mirageman

The now TTS AAS is registered as a Public Benefit Corporation in Delaware. I would guess there are advantages to registering your company in Delaware rather than DeLonge's home state of California. But that's not something I've looked into and I don't want this becoming like the Financial Times either!!!



Like 1ofthe9 pointed out, being registered in Delaware is "problematic" when it comes to legitimacy.

""Legal framework — The Delaware General Corporation Law is said to be among the most flexible for business creation and protection. Among other perfectly legal advantages is that taxable income earned elsewhere can be made into tax-exempt income (no out-of-state corporate tax) in Delaware, thereby drastically reducing a company’s tax bill. That’s the so-called “Delaware loophole” that has Pennsylvania Democratic gubernatorial candidate Tom Wolf (among others) rallying for a legislative change."

A more recent breakdown (2016):
Why Are the Majority of U.S. Companies Incorporated in Delaware?
"...Because of its relatively lax regulations, the state attracts illegal businesses that can easily establish shell companies and launder money. Delaware requires very little documentation and identification information to set up a shell company, so it can be even easier to set up a business there than in an international tax haven like the Cayman Islands. Additionally, other states collect less tax revenue because so many businesses choose to incorporate in Delaware rather than nearby states such as Pennsylvania and New York."
edit on 1/3/2018 by ParticleNode because: just because I can




posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: mirageman


Thanks Mirageman,

I appreciate the insight. I should have dug into the public offering docs more to save some of my rant.

Ultimately I think I was trying to put the point across of how much financial support this venture requires and whom is supplying that support.

With guys like Puthoff, Elizondo, and Mellon el al, I don’t think management can get away with putting them up in a Best Western and a $20 a day per diem.

It will certainly be an interesting venture to follow. And again, I hope they succeed, that is if they say whom they say they are.

Slainte



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: mirageman


How intriguing?



So if you managed to acquire a fraction of a share in TTS first time around then the answer to our little anomaly must be that they had to 'fix' the web scripts once it became apparent people (or maybe just you ) were acquiring fractions of stock.




edit on 1-3-2018 by Baablacksheep because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: Baablacksheep & mirageman

HI fellas...

Guess I'm the only lucky one then (but I doubt it):



Maybe Tom just liked the ethereal odd amount I invested in his latest enterprise. In any case, I never saw the $5 restriction, and the process accepted and completed effortlessly *though, admittedly. that does not mean it was necessarily a wise investment. Of course, you both realize that none of this, from our unwashed masses perspective, is about " the money". I expect to lose every penny.

Have a great day!

edit on 3/1/2018 by Outrageo because: p.s. yes - Cameron has a lot of this down pretty pat (but he's, well, IMHO, injecting some conjecture that is often difficult to filter). There's a lot going on inside that 'noggin...



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: Paddyofurniture

Oh! stuff like that public offer document is boring as hell to work your way through. That's why I've tried to only focus in one or two points of interest at a time.

I'm still wondering about the deal with Luis Elizondo. Is he working for DeLonge, Bigelow or still with the DoD?

Back in Dec. 2017 it was reported:



But Mr. Elizondo said the only thing that had ended was the effort’s government funding, which dried up in 2012. From then on, Mr. Elizondo said in an interview, he worked with officials from the Navy and the C.I.A. He continued to work out of his Pentagon office until this past October, when he resigned to protest what he characterized as excessive secrecy and internal opposition. “Why aren’t we spending more time and effort on this issue?” Mr. Elizondo wrote in a resignation letter to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis...

Source : New York Times (16th Dec 2017)


But then in the recent UFO Congress interview.



My decision to leave the US government was before I ever knew anything about 'To the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences. My initial plan was to frankly fade off into the sunset, take a job working something that I could enjoy, one that was completely unrelated to the US government, and if you will like I said fade off into the sunset.

It was actually the To the Stars of Academy of Arts and Science that found me. Through some colleagues of mine in the intelligence community, once they found out that I was leaving had suggested that maybe I should talk to some of the folks at to the stars who were interested in talking to me.

Source : UFO International Congress 2018 video interview


* Now WIRED FOIA'd Elizondo's resignation letter from the DoD and were told there was no record of it.

* He said he was planning to leave anyway but some intelligence colleagues just happened to find out he was leaving??? Could that be Mellon, Puthoff, Semivan,even Bigelow??? Semivan and Puthoff were already onboard with DeLonge by end of May 2017.

* Elizondo appears to have left the DoD in October just as the "Empty Venue" launch of 'To the Stars' is about to go live. Convenient!

* Tom DeLonge's takes a vow of silence from then on.

Piece that altogether and what do we have?
edit on 1/3/2018 by mirageman because: edit



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: Outrageo



Well whatever happened or happens good luck with your investment. I feel you are probably going to need it and you will not pass go nor see that $200 again!

But let's keep an open mind and you just never know!
edit on 1/3/2018 by mirageman because: edit



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

It was a wee bit more than an even $200, but who's counting?

Luck? No such thing.

Open Mind? Absolutely! Our collective conscious requires it!



Outrageo out..
edit on 3/1/2018 by Outrageo because: +/-$



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: Outrageo

What is their business plan? Do they have one?



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: Jukiodone

I agree with this statement.

It really threw them for a loop when Trump got selected by Russia.

Now they've got a product, but it's a very weak product, as they lost the insider
link they were courting.

(If I recall, Clinton was talking about UAP's on a late night talk show)

And Podesta was deeply involved in the beginning.. if nothing else, he'd
have been their link to power, since it's obvious they'd sung and danced to
Clinton through him.

Now they have nothing.

From day one, "this" never had anything to do with disclosure... it couldn't..
there's maybe 5% to disclose.. and it has nothing to do aliens and alien craft at all.

Kev



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Outrageo

What is their business plan? Do they have one?


A Plan?

There's lots of documents available, and Mirageman (and others) here among several ATS threads have done an admirable job shedding light on a few of the more salient parts (some of which will make your eye twitch).

Scroll up and through - it may be obscure but it is not hidden. It can't be. $2.5 million needs to be accounted for or the Feds will be all over them. (haha)

Hot tip: Take a couple of aspirin first.



posted on Mar, 2 2018 @ 01:35 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

Something about Bigelow that I don't think has ever been mentioned before: Bigelow attended the 1992 by-invitation-only "Abduction Study Conference" at MIT, organized by Hopkins/Jacobs/Mack. He was not a speaker, and was only an observer. His name was never mentioned during the program. However, I learned about him from informal conversation. At the time I had never heard of him. In fact, I met Bigelow briefly at that Conference, we exchanged greetings but that was it.

Did Bigelow contribute any money to that Conference? I do not know.



posted on Mar, 2 2018 @ 01:56 AM
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a reply to: RobertSheaffer

Interesting. Do you know if former NIDS employee Col. John Alexander was connected with the conference?



posted on Mar, 2 2018 @ 06:01 AM
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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Paddyofurniture

It was actually the To the Stars of Academy of Arts and Science that found me. Through some colleagues of mine in the intelligence community, once they found out that I was leaving had suggested that maybe I should talk to some of the folks at to the stars who were interested in talking to me.


Another great catch Mirageman.

I'm inclined to believe these guys at their word at this point. I think until any of them is definitively found to be caught in a lie the narrative will play out.

But I'm certainly going to continue poking them with a stick and challenging that narrative to keep them honest. Looks like yourself and many of the excellent researchers here are doing the same.

Keep fighting the good fight!

Slainte



posted on Mar, 2 2018 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: Paddyofurniture

Luis Elizondo seems to word things carefully rather than tell porkie pies in my opinion. For instance
That quote from Elizondo :



My decision to leave the US government was before I ever knew anything about 'To the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences.....


That comes straight from him. Whereas the NYT article has been processed through Leslie Kean and the editing staff on the news team. So maybe he left the DoD but there is no resignation letter and that was journalistic drama.

I am inclined to believe he was planning to leave the DoD for other ventures. In 2006 he filed a patent .


"Never ship empty" - a system for interchanging superstructures and hulls for ocean going vessels in which the superstructure is removable and interchangeable with compatible hulls....


Also see :
www.stardem.com...
articles.baltimoresun.com...

That seems to have fallen by the wayside. But then maybe in 2016/2017 he was made an offer to take early retirement rather than tender an actual resignation. The timelines fit in and the fact that AATIP seems to have served it's purpose by the end of 2016 means that Elizondo was in effect surplus to requirements in that role.



....DoD is also in the midst of headquarters staff cuts. The Pentagon is cutting 25 percent from its headquarters staff by 2020. Despite objections by DoD, the 2017 defense authorization bill makes future cuts to headquarters staff and puts ceilings on the number of people the department can have on its headquarters payroll.

A handful of critics think DoD’s staff has expanded far beyond its need.....


So if he was planning to leave the DoD then maybe he took advantage of this early retirement package? Perhaps Mellon/Semivan etc did too? Elizondo spoke highly of Bob Bigelow in that interview at the UFO conference. If I'm on the right track then I think we can guess that introductions were made and "Bob" certainly is someone's uncle.



posted on Mar, 2 2018 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

Lol. I recon you on the money there Mirageman.




posted on Mar, 2 2018 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: RobertSheaffer

Interesting. Do you know if former NIDS employee Col. John Alexander was connected with the conference?


So far as I'm aware, no. I don't think he was there. However, one "CIA Connection" guy there was C.D.B. Bryan, who later wrote a book about it.



posted on Mar, 2 2018 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: RobertSheaffer
Did Bigelow contribute any money to that Conference? I do not know.


(Good to see you on ATS Robert. I was going to respond to your email but might as well give the answer here in case others are interested...)

Yes, Bigelow did contribute money to the MIT abduction conference.

C D B Bryan's book describes (at the stat of the chapter entitled "Day 2") how Bryan and David Jacobs were joined at their table by Bigelow, "one of the financial backers of this conference". (That book also discusses the fact that Bigelow also provided funding in relation to the publication of the results of the controversial Roper Poll discussed in that book and elsewhere - the idea for which is credited to Bigelow in Bryan's book and also by Budd Hopkins in the MIT Conference Proceedings book at page 215).

Confirmation is given in the book on the MIT conference co-edited by David E Prichard of MIT himself. In his "Introductory Remarks at the Conference", Pritchard mentions that "a particularly big contribution" came from Bigelow (on page 20 of that book, which is at page 24 of 694 of the PDF version).

Andrea Pritchard also refers to Bob Bigelow and the Bigelow Foundation as sponsors of the conference (on page 620 of the proceedings, which is at page 624 of 694 of the PDF version).

(Bigelow has provided funding to quite a few other UFO researchers over the years).



posted on Mar, 2 2018 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: IsaacKoi

(Bigelow has provided funding to quite a few other UFO researchers over the years).



Seems like your searchable database projects are proving their mettle. As far as your last statement: Do you have a working list you would share?



posted on Mar, 2 2018 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: The GUT
Do you know if former NIDS employee Col. John Alexander was connected with the conference?


Hi The Gut,

Yes, John Alexander gave a presentation at the MIT alien abduction conference. John Alexander spoke (about NDE and UFO abductions) after John Mack's presentation.

John Alexander comments in his book "UFOs : Myths, Conspiracies and Realities" that Mack was a "though act to follow". John Alexander mentions that he maintained contacted with Dave E Pritchard (one of the co-organisers of the MIT conference) and John Mack for the following years.

The proceedings of the MIT conference include John Alexander's paper : ""Comparative Phenomenology: Near Death Experiences and UFO Abductions" at page 342-347 (pages 346-351 of 694 of the PDF version). His conclusion include the following:



It is my contention that we may be faced with a
meta-phenomenon. That is NDEs, abductions, and
other phenomena may be part of something far more
complex than initially thought. To arbitrarily isolate
one phenomenon based on precipitating stimuli may
mean that we fail to recognize the true magnitude of
the issues involved. It further appears that human, or
other, consciousness plays some significant role in all
of the phenomena we are discussing.

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posted on Mar, 2 2018 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: The GUT
As far as your last statement: Do you have a working list you would share?


Not yet, but creating a list of UFO/abduction researchers linked at various times to Bigelow is on my ufological "to do" list. It would be a fairly long list.

I'm looking into this at the moment because of the links between Roger Leir and Bigelow which are relevant to, well, stuff. (To be bit more precise, those links are relevant to the issues regarding isotope ratios and metamaterials that I've been digging into recently and which will be the focus of the thread I'm researching/writing).



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