Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

originally posted by: ParticleNode

originally posted by: mirageman

So you don't believe in Geller and his miracle during Euro '96?

Uri sits under the unfortunate shadow of Spectra; whether it be real or more "fantasy borne out of the fantastic" is anyone's guess. It's difficult to accept as a reality, but considering his accomplishments in testing/lab environments one could argue that the results speak for themselves.

An extraterrestrial AI communicating with a psychic? So 1993...

The problem with Geller to me was the exigency of an exercise like bending spoons.
Maybe useful for dieting or something.

I see URI now going around to fat person eateries and as the corpulent folks get ready to gouge, Uri as a modern day superhero bends their spoons exactly while their ready to gormandize themselves and take on another 1000 calories in one bite.

originally posted by: ParticleNode

originally posted by: mirageman

So you don't believe in Geller and his miracle during Euro '96?

Uri sits under the unfortunate shadow of Spectra; whether it be real or more "fantasy borne out of the fantastic" is anyone's guess. It's difficult to accept as a reality, but considering his accomplishments in testing/lab environments one could argue that the results speak for themselves.

An extraterrestrial AI communicating with a psychic? So 1993...

If a machine intelligence colonized our entire galaxy/universe billions of years ago,
which is my theory, then perhaps URI Geller's mind is indeed tapping a tiny
bit of truth, which he didn't fully understand... so he conflated it into
"spectra".

This whole topic of why people hear "machine voices" when they try to
contact the dead, summon demons and other twaddle, is worth
investigating.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Geller had a very low opinion of Spectra. He called them a bunch of clowns

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Willtell

The French sanctioned the COMETA report.

The British had the Condign Report and before that things like the Flying Saucer Working Party many years ago.

I am fairly sure the Latin American nations have had their own surveys and Australia, New Zealand and Canada have all released documents on UFO investigations.

But the problem you always have is people are poor observers of things they can't make sense of and our technology is not infallible. Add to that the poisoning of the evidence by IC agents, UFOtainers and radio show hosts and you have a right royal mess to sort the wheat from the chaff.

In particular JV loved reports from South America..I think they were more "pure".

but there, people see "goat blood suckers", etc, and not necessarily "UFOs". That's becuase
of the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man effect. You tend to see what you expect to see.. want
to see.

In America, we are saturated with UFO twaddle and Sci Fi.

So of course we see UFOs.. not to mention there are probably more planes
and aircraft / low earth orbit spacecraft & possibly actual Decoy stuff
for specific Psy Ops.

But in deep, dark, South America in the middle of nowhere.. they aren't so
saturated.. so they see local mythological things.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Geller had a very low opinion of Spectra. He called them a bunch of clowns

When you first start trying to "listen" to "stuff", you will be inundated by "clowns".
Obvious liars. You can read about it in "Messengers of Deception".

I've never "heard" ANYTHING of value from "clowns" either.

kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Great thread contributions by everyone involved so far, leaning in lots of directions like a good conversation should. Hopefully we don’t stray to far from our source, but eye opening nonetheless.

This ‘Antenna Syndrome’, is there a place to get further info on this, or is it a hornets nest ready to rumble, something to be undisturbed? You seemed negative about it regarding researchers and their motives.

homerJ described a buzzing sound or sensation during that strange experience. I’m almost certain that a lot of experiences in this field are also accompanied with buzzing noises, vibrations, pulsing and an overall feeling of static charge among other disorientating effects. Whether these are produced internally or externally is up for debate of course, but the fact remains that a lot of OBE and/or experiencer descriptions in literature attribute this effect as a major part of what they are experiencing and possibly one of the reasons behind the experience.

Also see;

Goosebumps for the brain that happens to strip away matter.
Internal roaring noise, vibrations or buzzing.
Physical sense of a loss of mass, starting from the frontal lobe, falling away with the...
Expansion of awareness, also starting from the frontal lobe.
Overbearing sense of observance/interactivity of/with surroundings (sometimes).
No sense of physical boundaries including self.
Calm, measured self-observance, body movement, heartrate and temperature upon the initiation of the above descriptions and upon the ending of the above descriptions.

Is that what you mean by antenna ‘syndrome’?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Willtell

The French sanctioned the COMETA report.

The British had the Condign Report and before that things like the Flying Saucer Working Party many years ago.

I am fairly sure the Latin American nations have had their own surveys and Australia, New Zealand and Canada have all released documents on UFO investigations.
.

The French have actually deployed an automated camera network. They even caught some weird balls of light with it.

I’ll link when I can, sitting in an airport atm.
I
Edit: here www.ufo-science.com...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

If it is all "twaddle" why bother investigating?

a reply to: firesnake

I think there is something of a consensus in various spiritual communities,
that noise/sound is a beginning stage, and silence a later stage.

That's if you want to go with a spiritual modality to compare to strange
occurrences involved with "UFO" events.

That's just one possibility.

If you rewire your brain, rapidly and unevenly, the most common initial result
is insanity, and eventually death.

That'w what I'm saying here.

it doesn't matter if you got there from a "UFO" encounter, or you self-induced
it with yoga type activity.

Kev

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

If it is all "twaddle" why bother investigating?

the essence of life is deception.

we all pick our twaddle.

Once you know this, you either enjoy the journey, or let the ugly
truth crush you.

I like to have a good time...

(took me years to learn how to have a good time..was always SO
serious).

Kev

a reply to: 1ofthe9

This is "real" research.

Not force fed sci-fi ship fantasies.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Not everything is deception, not everything is black and white.

There are good people out there in ufology, business, government and humanity in general. In the paranormal worlds there are the good, the bad and the ugly for that matter.

The world really is a place full of wonders.

(edit)

The Great Deception is a real thing I know. When I saw the "ugly truth" for myself I hated humanity for the deception. For years humanity was nothing more then vermin.

Yet it was I who was deceived, so it is my responsibility and no one else's.

It is said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

So too; deception.

For myself the realisation is still difficult, but I try to get over it.

My view is no longer human-centric, that is how I cope with my own self deception.

When one is no longer human-centric, one is free to act in what lays beyond . . . .

. . . . . and depending on how I act in the world outside of humanity is my survival. I like to make friends out there, so I help out as best I can.

One can see the realisation of the great deception as an opportunity if one simply looks over one's shoulder to what lays beyond.

(end edit)

Apologies, I really am gonna disappear this time.

Bye

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Not everything is deception, not everything is black and white.

There are good people out there in ufology, business, government and humanity in general. In the paranormal worlds there are the good, the bad and the ugly for that matter.

The world really is a place full of wonders.

Apologies, I really am gonna disappear this time.

Bye

You have a great healthy positive outlook. Good.

One should never let their bad experiences shade impressions for others

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: 1ofthe9

This is "real" research.

Not force fed sci-fi ship fantasies.

Kev

Exactly! I think we should get in touch with these guys.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

you crave contact with others like you, and you are a bit lonely.

you don't like friction with your world-view, but that also
attracts you.

I'll talk to you later.

By the way, you 100% misunderstand my point about deception..
you take it as a negative.. I don't... without "deception" we
wouldn't even be here.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

you crave contact with others like you, and you are a bit lonely.

you don't like friction with your world-view, but that also
attracts you.

I'll talk to you later.

I never speak of others as if I know them intimately. But I'll let it pass because you are not far off the mark.

I added an edit to my post above, read it.

Yes it is lonely out here and by nature I am not a hermit. I have no future nor home but the one I make for myself. That is my responsibility.

I look back at the world I left and see that perhaps I may make a difference, so I try to do so even with the knowledge that I may fail and die as a result. The Great Deception is a hostile thing that maintains itself.

A hate filled hermit wallowing in self pity and an adept hiding in a nirvana of enlightenment are both the same; useless when it comes to helping others.

At least I try to make a difference.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Sent you an IM.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Got it.

No worries KPB.

As we say here in Oz

a reply to: mirageman

Yes! UFOlogy isn't really a thing over here in my even more 'remote country' (including the language barrier). We heard about these topics with the release of the infamous Rosswell authopsy movie or at the peak of The X-Files, but that's about it.

It's even more telling that the biggest case, the Belgian triangle wave, isn't even a thing over here anymore though it gets mentioned very often in US podcasts, books, etc (often sensationalised and paraphrased wrong by the way). It was big at the time though ... Been searching for articles I've read back than to put it into perspective, but they're hard to find.

If some day I get lucky perhaps it's time to post it here.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What did John get within < 100 meters from out in the forest?

That is the kicker !