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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Jan, 15 2018 @ 05:04 PM
Just to throw a small example of some of the thinking out there that might be comparable, I throw out this very interesting vid. It does raise fascinating questions about what we know and what we might one day know.

Just ignore the ball-peen hammer sensation, lad, you're doing this for humankind.

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posted on Jan, 15 2018 @ 05:09 PM
From Mirage Men author Mark Pilkington's Blog:

A Powerpoint presentation made available on journalist Glenn Greenwald’s web site,, may just have revealed the Mirage Men – or at least one branch of their operations.

The presentation is called The Art of Deception, Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations and was given by GCHQ’s Human Science Operation Cell (HSOC), linked to the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG),

...we can infer from the slides that the powerpoint outlines applied techniques for deploying psychology, deception, illusion, dissimulation, magic, religion and belief in their intelligence and counter-intelligence operations.

And, sure enough, scroll down to pages 35 to 37  in Strand 2: Influence and Information Operations and you will find three slides
of UFO photographs…

If you’ve made it to this blog in the first place, then you don’t need me to explain why, but it’s clear that they consider the UFO subject, its attendant beliefs, and the vocal  community surrounding it, to be a useful field of operations for their activities.

This might have implications relating to the SERPO ”extraterrestrial exchange” documents that were circulated in 2005 and, indeed, for almost any other online dissemination point for UFO information …

He mentions SERPO. Sounds vaguely familiar. Psyops, social engineering, etc...birds of a feather. Here's a few slides from the leaked document:

Pg 7 - We want to build Cyber Magicians

Here's a bit about magician and CIA operative John Mullholland from the slide above. He's the guy the fine folk who brought us MK-ULTRA took poor Frank Olson to right before he was suicided:

While in New York, Olson also met with John Mullholland, a CIA-employed magician. When Mullholland attempted to hypnotize Olson, the latter grew upset. He pleaded with them all to “just let me disappear.” Unfortunately, that wasn’t any kind of magic trick that John Mullholland could perform. The CIA had an entirely different trick up its sleeve and shortly thereafter, Frank Olson plunged to his death from his hotel window.

It truly is the essence of black magic. Manly P. Hall on Science as Black Magic

The most dangerous form of black magic is the scientific perversion of occult power for the gratification of personal desire. Its less complex and more universal form is human selfishness, for selfishness is the fundamental cause of all worldly evil.

A man will barter his eternal soul for temporal power, and down through the ages a mysterious process has been evolved which actually enables him to make this exchange. In its various branches the black art includes nearly all forms of ceremonial magic, necromancy, witchcraft, sorcery, and vampirism. Under the same general heading are also included mesmerism and hypnotism, except when used solely for medical purposes, and even then there is an element of risk for all concerned.

Though the demonism of the Middle Ages seems to have disappeared, there is abundant evidence that in many forms of modern thought--especially the so-called “prosperity” psychology, “willpower-building” metaphysics, and systems of “high-pressure” salesmanship--black magic has merely passed through a metamorphosis, and although its name be changed its nature remains the same.

---from Ceremonial Magick and Sorcery

The Art of Deception Slideshow on SCRIBD

posted on Jan, 15 2018 @ 05:32 PM
And a little more still from Jacques Vallee who returns time and again to ufology being used as cover by the IC. He's maybe trying to tell us without revealing anything he's been a part of and thusly can't legally reveal?

Jacques Vallee: Another aspect of your question is that for a long time the ufologists have been blind to the fact that the phenomenon can be manipulated. In particular it can be manipulated by the government, by various intelligence groups or by different cults with their own agenda. I published over ten years ago in Messengers of Deception my conclusion that many of the UFO organizations had been infiltrated.

That book got me in a lot of trouble with my friends in the UFO community who refused to look at that particular problem. 

Since then, of course, this observation has been vindicated. One government informant has even come forward to reveal that he, in fact, had been recruited to befriend various UFOlogists and to write psychological profiles of them.

Every UFO organization is monitored by government informers. 

On the board of the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena, which was one of the major organizations in this country in the ’50s and ’60s, were three people who were among the founders of psychological warfare. They were people with strong ties to the government and intelligence community. I’m not saying it’s necessarily illegal or wrong, but it should be recognized.

One of the recommendations of the 1953 Robertson Panel, convened by the CIA and the Air Force to review the UFO problem, was that UFO organizations be watched. That report was classified at the time. That recommendation was in fact implemented. The civilian UFO groups were being watched and infiltrated as early as the fifties. They still are. 

I think this aspect has many remarkable consequences.

To what extent were some well-known UFO sightings actually simulations that were staged for the benefit of someone who wanted to do social engineering research or psychological warfare research? Perhaps to see what kind of stimuli it would take to make people change their belief systems, for example.

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posted on Jan, 15 2018 @ 06:14 PM
It’s like this...
The IC community creates and encourages the UFO extreme theories like Dulce and AA and then sends people to debunk them.

That keeps the UFO movement screwball and small just like they want it.

I hope their not setting certain people up for a scandal and he'll take his organization, reputation down with Ufology

posted on Jan, 15 2018 @ 06:30 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sorta like that, I doubt the highly developed are immune to fear derived from logic and intellect.

My thoughts on this are tactical. A reformed criminal once told me "everybody has leverage". In the final analysis; he who can destroy a thing is in control.

The church needs believers, technologists need machines, business needs workers and customers. Everything in interdependent.

One does not need to know how a system works to destroy it; one only needs to know where to throw the proverbial spanner into the works.

Slavers are always in fear of their slaves, that goes for the "ETs" too. Where ever one sees induced fear, one also sees vulnerability.


afterthought I'm not sure why I am putting this afterthought in here KPB, but it seems important and necessary. Perhaps for Those who look over shoulders.

To destroy a culture one would employ a barbarian for a cultured man would see something of value and fail to destroy it completely.

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posted on Jan, 15 2018 @ 07:06 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I get the meaning as it applies to peoples like humanity. Yet to the Nature Spirits it is different for their ancestors and memories go back further then I can follow.

A human system?

posted on Jan, 15 2018 @ 07:11 PM
a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

Farscape? SciFi?

To merge with what is. Would you not loose your self and cease to be?

But this is dangerously off topic.

posted on Jan, 15 2018 @ 07:19 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Try to see it from the personal view of the living thing. No one wants to die and everyone wants a future, even machines.

Aquote from the movie The search for Spock: "the needs of the one out way the needs of the many."

But this is getting off topic.

posted on Jan, 15 2018 @ 07:21 PM
C.B. Scott Jones had the following to say about UFO research. Mr. Jones appears very serious about the ETH. He has amazing credentials (Naval Intelligence guy too) but he's also quite the character. Does he have anything to tell us? Maybe, maybe not, but there is enough good reason to consider his statement credible and at least mull it over. I'll be happy to elaborate why if anyone has interest.

Jones further claimed he advised Dr. John Gibbons, science advisor to President Clinton during the time in question, of such matters.

Jones informed Gibbons, "There are reasons to believe that some government group has interwoven research about this (mind control) technology with alleged UFO phenomena. If that is correct, you can expect to run into early resistance when inquiring about UFOs, not because of the UFO subject, but because that has been used to cloak research and applications of mind-control activity.”

When asked if he continues to think the UFO subject cloaks mind control research and applications, Jones replied, "I think that the UFO/ET subject has been used to cloak a number of classified U.S.programs that certainly includes mind control. It probably has been used more often to confuse and disguise aerospace weapon systems than other subjects. It has been particularly effective when there is a presumed close relationship between what is trying to be protected and assumptions about characteristics associated with UFOs and ETs.

More from Jack Brewer at The UFO Trail. You might be surprised how well-sourced and documented this dark end of ufology is and why it might be, even probably so, related to the topics here that we are seeing reappear on the scene yet again:

Ufology and Alleged Post-MKULTRA Mind Control

posted on Jan, 15 2018 @ 07:48 PM
Which all brings back to my mind the TIGER study and the Emerging Cognitive Neuroscience and Related Technologies White Papers (both Co-Chaired by Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green) and their goal of learning to differentiate between "true and false" memories...amongst other things:

True and False Memories as an Illustrative Case of the Difficulty of Developing Accurate and Practical Neurophysiological Indexes of Psychological States

An important issue for cognitive neuroscientists concerns efforts to determine whether a person is reporting a true experience or one that is false but believed. In the last decade, there have been innumerable research efforts designed to distinguish true from false memories. Earlier work examining behavioral differences between true and false memories revealed that group differences were sometimes found (for example, more sensory details in true-memory reports) (Schooler et al., 1986). However, the statistical group differences did not enable reliable classification of any particular memory report as to its authenticity...

Let's look at how longtime Team Bigelow Member Col. John B. Alexander feels about a few things concerning conspiracy theorists and Ufological deception…and non-lethal weaponry:

"Another category of concern is against whom non-lethal weapons might be employed," writes Alexander with his characteristically blithe understatement.

"Paranoia is running rampant in the United States. We have addressed the militia movements and surprising widespread support that conspiracy theories receive."

"Distrust of the government by not thousands but tens of millions of US citizens is confirmed in public opinion surveys," he continues. "The skepticism and controversy has been fueled by recent revelations that the US government has routinely lied to the people about such varied topics as human radiation experiments, withholding treatment in the Tuskegee prison syphilis experiments, the oppressive actions of the Internal Revenue Service, the amount and geographic area covered by fallout from nuclear testing, and even UFO sightings."

"Many of these conspiracy theory adherents believe that the government -- or some other supranational organization -- is attempting to take freedom away from the citizens. Some of them see non-lethal weapons as tools to facilitate those objectives. They believe that these weapons could be used to enslave them for some unstated nefarious purpose." Don't worry, says Alexander reassuringly, everything's under control...

The rules have relaxed a lot (again) since 9/11 as has monies for initiatives that seek full-spectrum dominance.

Precedent and M.O. Can we establish some of those with TTS, Team Bigelow, and certain of the Aviary so to speak? Is such HUMINT useful to navigating these tricky waters?

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posted on Jan, 15 2018 @ 08:26 PM
From the introductory to the TIGER document: Dr. Green is a current member of the National Research Council’s Standing Committee on Technology Insight—Gauge, Evaluate, and Review (TIGER). I'll also be quoting from a white paper under it's umbrella that Dr. Green also co-authored/chaired titled Emerging Cognitive Neuroscience and Related Technologies. developing the methodology, the committee considered the end user (analysts and predictors of the behaviors of individuals and groups), the data available to them, the desired output, and the unique aspects (if relevant) of neuroscience research. Intelligence analysts were available for consultation throughout the project in order to ensure that the methodology was realistically applied, given the limitations of the data sets.

…Other questions raised by controlling the mind: How can we make people trust us more? What if we could help the brain to remove fear or pain? Is there a way to make the enemy obey our commands?

"Predictors of the behaviors" and "controlling the mind" and making "the enemy obey our commands?! Hey, I didn't say it, Dr. Green and his TIGER colleagues did.

...There is little doubt that great progress has been made over the last quarter century, particularly the last 10 to 15 years, in understanding the physiological and neural bases for psychological processes and behavior. Furthermore, there is a high likelihood that more progress will be made as more sophisticated theoretical models are developed and tested using ever more sophisticated assessment technology.


Emerging Cognitive Neuroscience and Related Technologies, from the National Research Council, identifies and explores several specific research areas that have implications for U.S. national security, and should therefore be monitored consistently by the intelligence community. These areas include:

neurophysiological advances in detecting and measuring indicators of psychological states and intentions of individuals

the development of drugs or technologies that can alter human physical or cognitive abilities advances in real-time brain imaging

breakthroughs in high-performance computing and neuronal modeling that could allow researchers to develop systems which mimic functions of the human brain, particularly the ability to organize disparate forms of data.

As these fields continue to grow, it will be imperative that the intelligence community be able to identify scientific advances relevant to national security when they occur. To do so will require adequate funding, intelligence analysts with advanced training in science and technology, and increased collaboration with the scientific community, particularly academia.

A key tool for the intelligence community, this book will also be a useful resource for the health industry, the military, and others with a vested interest in technologies such as brain imaging and cognitive or physical enhancers.

How does a research body go about achieving such lofty goals and expectations? It very reasonably follows that they would need a control group for those purposes. You can't just sign up folk the way you would a study of a new pharmaceutical, say, sit them down and try to make them believe the red pill is blue and the blue pill is red. No, a ready-made community, however, would be a perfect solution for a feasible modality.

Are TTS, and our ubiquitous players, building their greatest community yet?


Emerg ing Cognitive Neuroscience and Related Technologies
By Committee on Military and Intelligence Methodology for Emergent Neruophysiological and Cognitive/Neural Research in the Next Two Decades, National Research Council

Dr. Green's bio from the project:

And One Last Look at Modern Full-Spectrum Warfare from JTRIG itself. Read ALL the words if I may politely suggest and you haven't:

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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 12:20 AM
a reply to: The GUT

(I think I've said this before) Maskelyne is interesting as a sort of Baron Münchhausen character. He wrote his own life story and injected it with big, unsubstantiated claims. I looked into him a few years ago after seeing him getting referenced in the RAND report, 'The Exploitation of Superstitions for Purposes of Psychological Warfare.'

There's an account of him creating a mechanical critter that would run through peasant villages and terrify the locals into fleeing. IIRC it thereby cleared the way for allied special forces to roam behind enemy lines. Yes, he was so ingenious that he was able to design and build automata in the 1940s. There's no logical integrity in the claim.

It turned my thoughts to the producer of the report. The inclusion of shaggy dog stories suggests at least two possibilities. The first is the author's library and resources were limited and they lacked the reflective intellect we'd expect from a RAND author. The other is the report itself was sleight of hand. Perhaps it was an instrument of psychological warfare in the sense it was there to mislead its readers and, potentially, project more capabilities than existed in reality. Still, there will always be a measure of implication that is aimed at an audience that wasn't, and isn't, us.

It's been a few years since reading it.

posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 01:26 AM

originally posted by: The GUT
Just to throw a small example of some of the thinking out there that might be comparable, I throw out this very interesting vid. It does raise fascinating questions about what we know and what we might one day know.

Just ignore the ball-peen hammer sensation, lad, you're doing this for humankind.

Hey Brother. If you haven't seen this Ted Talks episode you should give it a preview as it reinforces your video. A neuroscientist had a blood vessel burst in her brain and the experience she had gave her a whole new experience on reality.

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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 01:27 AM

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Rosinitiate

That the gubmit has "nearly or actually unearthly" tech is just part of the psyop.

This kind of mythological control system is genius.. it traps the minds of both
the dimmest and the brightest of the populace.


Yes but either way, try to take military tech out of the equation and you are still left scratching your ass. They guard all things esoteric through disinformation as the do their own tech.

This leads credence to the existence of other worldly/ inner dimensional happenings. Although many here take that as a given, we are still left with so many questions and not many answers.
Most of the abduction happenings are of interdimensional nature and not necessarily perpetrated by aliens at all. trust me ive experienced this.
Unbelievable technology in place and they can bring about their agenda whatever it may be even to the extent of creating a severe ice age for the purpose of depopulation.

posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 01:36 AM
a reply to: Hyperboles

The last time I even entertained the idea of extraterrestrials being responsible for the woo was many, many, many moons ago. I just add it to include all aspects of this sort of discussion.

posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 05:38 AM
a reply to: mirageman
Great info mirageman! This thread has been enough to pull me back out of lurker status (since ATS became nothing but political trolling for a while) I am hopeful that some useful information will come out but my tinfoil hat tells me that this is a new way to collect information and store it away where FIOA can't even touch it. Government backed "private" entity means zero accountability and plausible deniability.

posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 03:53 PM
a reply to: ShAuNmAn-X

There are a number of levels to it all. It's an obvious plot to privatise the UFO subject and avoid awkward questions from the taxpaying public. But peel away a layer at a time and you'll find this seems to go deeper than that.

posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 05:11 PM
I've been sitting here thinking since my last post, having read again mirageman's excellent OP posts, that we may be encountering a phenomenon of huge government that sounds preposterous at first glance. We think of government as a monolithic entity. You hear it constantly: “The government is holding out on us!” “The government” is doing this or that and we don’t like it. Meh? You know the drill. The government is huge. The USA part of it employs 2.7 million people, 2% of the US workforce.

The basic principle here is that the government doesn’t know what the government is doing. And I wonder of the To The Stars (TTS) issue isn’t one side trying to invoke the other side into revealing what the other side knows. If you have ever heard Tom DeLonge talk about conspiracies and UFOs you will know that he is not particularly knowledgeable about the subject. He tends to believe any conspiracy he can read about. A good example is the recent “gun camera” footage of a UFO taken by a since-retired Commander flying an F/A-18. Is it a “UFO”? Sure, but it’s ours, just like every flying triangle ever filmed is ours. Do you know what a flying triangle is? It’s the airplane equivalent of a Trident nuclear submarine, except it can be anywhere in the world in a few minutes. It’s what Reagan told Gorbachev in Iceland. It’s what made the Ruskies quit. It is rocket science, but it isn’t mysterious at all. They’ve been filmed all over the world—on purpose. Somebody wants somebody else to know they are there.

So if TTS truly thinks that UFO is revelationary, then it is not really in the loop. Despite their “deep ties to the intelligence community,” they don’t know. They are either naïve, or they are acting naïve. Is it a bit of both? And in any case, why is Tom DeLonge even there? And who is he? I know. He’s a punk rock musician and before that he was semi-famous for playing on skateboards. I’d never heard of him, never heard of his bands, never heard his music that I know of. I understand he is “famous” “within a certain demographic.” Well not mine, and I would wager not many. He seems an incongruous spokesman for the subject. And his generation isn’t particularly interested in the subject either. If anything, he turned up at a convenient time and is being used.

One possibility is that this very open movement is a diversion. It has gained a bit of MSM coverage. It is using some of the same old guys that have been around for awhile, e.g. Hal Puthoff. And its examples, at least so far, are not eye-opening to anyone who has the least bit of knowledge on the subject. Further, the tie-ins such as “Sekret Machines” are eye-rollers. We’re told it is fiction wink, wink, and maybe we should read between the lines. But the fact is it sucks as fiction. His books ought to have reviews of their own. Suffice it to say they won’t be good ones.

The TTS issue is basically this: Certain people “in the know” have decided it’s time for Disclosure. They have decided Tom is “The Man” to help them do this, hence TTS. But does this not sound familiar? It should. It’s the exact same reasoning behind NICAP in the fifties. The same thing happened when Bush Sr. was president. It could not be done until after he as elected for a second term. Then it was used by Steven Greer in his publications. Over and over and over again for generations it’s always the same message and over and over and over again it just doesn’t quite happen. Why is TTS any different? Why do you think so? Why is it different this time?
And when you look at the goals and objectives for TTS, why, they’re ludicrous! Here you have a corporation with no employees that is doing nothing at the moment but raise money, and once they do that they’re going to solve every problem humankind has faced for thousands of years. This includes all things paranormal, brain to computer interfaces, consciousness, advanced propulsion systems including anti-gravity, “engineering the space-time metric,” beamed energy propulsion launch systems, and some young adult science fiction, blockbuster movies, and, oh, T-shirts. When DeLonge talks of this he uses the term “franchise,” as in the Star Wars franchise, which includes all those Lego models of spaceships.

And yet, one of the original Board members here is Steve Justice, once a Program Director for Advanced Systems for Lockheed’s Skunk Works. So are we saying HE does not have knowledge of, you know, “advanced systems” developed by the Skunk Works? It seems highly improbable. So why hasn’t he revealed the SR-72, the Aurora, the triangle craft we know is/are already out there? The answer may be that he thinks he can’t because it would violate his security agreements. Fearing for your life is a good incentive to be quiet. Yet appearing on the Board of TTS does not technically do that. We’ve seen this before with Admiral Hillenkoetter, who served on NICAP’s Board of Directors after his retirement from the Navy.

The Bottom Line here is that TTS has simply not yet lived up to its promises of providing any sort of meaningful disclosure at all. All they’ve done so far is raise a bunch of money, $2.4 million to date.

posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 05:12 PM
Much has been said here about “consciousness.” As The Gut has said, “Consciousness is the last frontier.” I would maintain that such terminology avoids the elephant in the room. People try so hard to avoid it because they fear ridicule of the scientific establishment, indeed, of all people who consider themselves “Brights.” It’s really quite simple: We are multi-dimensional. People have souls. When they die their souls move to the next plain of existence, made of finer stuff. When they get there they realize they are “home” and remember what the issues are: “I knew that!” they say with relief. So they muck about in this higher realm for a bit before they are talked or forced into reincarnating for another “lesson.” That’s all there is to it.

Of course, you resist that because it is uncomfortably close to religion, but it’s not religion at all. No God or Jesus is required. No dogma is necessary and more than such is necessary to cross the street. But after the Enlightenment people decided they were so very smart to reject anything close to that idea, so they threw the baby out with the bathwater. But if you want to know where “the entities” come from, well, that’s where they come from. You want to know about the IDH, that’s where it is. You want to travel faster than light, that’s how you do it. Science refuses to deal with it, but if Science is to advance, it will have to find a way to make this acceptable—probably by using big words and obfuscating the issue. Yeah, I guess you could say that would be a Paradigm Shift.

There is no doubt that the consciousness I have outlined above can be scientifically explained. The paranormal is absolutely normal, just not understood. There is no reason to claim that this sort of consciousness is outside the realm of scientific inquiry. It’s a mistake to assume this kind if thing is “religious.” It is a part of reality as much as the periodic table. It’s not so much that these issues cannot be explored scientifically. It’s just that this has not been allowed by the scientific community which refuses to deal with them. It’s a prejudice dating back half a millennium. I believe it was Tesla who said: “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence." That’s what must happen. But until science sees that there is actually something there to study, it won’t happen and more than Newton could study charmed quarks or string theory.

Once you accept the idea of a multi-dimensional existence strange things cease being strange. Telepathy isn’t strange. Ghosts aren’t strange. Portholes to other dimensions aren’t strange. Talking with dead people via mediums isn’t strange. A whole lot of strange things suddenly become part of a broader more enriching universe.

posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 05:55 PM
a reply to: schuyler

Once you accept the idea of a multi-dimensional existence strange things cease being strange. Telepathy isn’t strange. Ghosts aren’t strange. Portholes to other dimensions aren’t strange. Talking with dead people via mediums isn’t strange. A whole lot of strange things suddenly become part of a broader more enriching universe.

You nailed it there Schuyler.

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