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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 07:59 AM
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a reply to: ctj83

I am going to disagree with you CTJ, I believe that there is very much something to RV, its just very difficult to articulate and even scientifically prove, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand so quickly. Eyes of Your Eyes, Puthoff has spoke before that without corroboration, RV isn't useless but requires other data too. He has stated before in a conference that when one of his remote viewers was given coordinates, the RV'r told them he could see a huge flying saucer landed in the city, when it was in fact some large football stadium that was circular, just as an example.

In regards to the exposure to different things giving people the antenna, that makes no sense either. When people like Kit and Puthoff have stated before that there are DNA / Genetic markers. However, there is also the argument that "exposure" can damage the DNA also, but that depends where I suppose and the amount of damage. Maybe its both!?

Maybe both are indicators of natural vs artificial?
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posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: pigsy2400

You may well be right!

As regards terahertz versus heritability, it makes no sense to me.



posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 08:59 AM
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What no-one seems to have mentioned / noticed yet or I missed it, is that "TwitterJay" is the one that originally got some of the documents from Chris Mellons website, documents which include images of CD's, lists of pilots from the Nimitz incident and Luis Elizondos "resignation letter".

Its possible that like us, he was interested in the people involved with TTSA and that all he did was search for the main people on the TTSA board on social media and follow them. One of Chris Mellons tweets from back in 2016 was an invitation to his website;

"I just updated my website www.website.com"

TJ may have just clicked on it and then rooted around, nothing really that bad.

What's also interesting is that then, months and months later as noted in the latest update on the SilvaRecord regarding the antenna. The very same twitter jay is writing the article with slides shared to him by Garry Nolan himself??

So we have someone who "found" these documents, some of which were sensitive, in terms of names of the pilots not being redacted (naughty TTSA). Then in the world of the internet and social media and its short term memory, we have the very same guy working with someone else from TTSA on an article about the antenna..

Isn't that kind of odd?



posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 10:07 AM
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Isn't that kind of odd?


I am saying nothing.




posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: Baablacksheep

An infinite number of mathematicians walk into a bar. The first one orders a beer. The second orders half a beer. The third, a quarter of a beer. The bartender says, 'You're all idiots', and pours two beers.



posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: Whatsthisthen

actually the comsic trickster concept predates jung and was present in native american and nordic culture thousand years before any of these figures were even born, and in the modern world, jung wasn't even the one that researched this theory, he just made it as a half serious concept to explain synchronicities and other forteana, it was actually jacques vallee and john keel that really studied the subject in depth



The greys don't know humour (yet) , their masters are vivisection minded people, the ultimate detached scientists one might say

thats what him wants you to believe




Now does all that sound like it neatly fits in the mind of Jung?

once again this has nothing to do with psychology



And Yes you did upset Wednesday, it made her job harder because something shifted in her target.

how? i just posted something at the web



posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

the reception i have noticed to this thing is mostly negative, something i found weird is that all mainstream news sources are praising it, while all ufologists are hating it and from what i have read about the first episode i have to agree with them, they distorted the entire story



posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: Baablacksheep

basically its talking about how people with better intuition and more common paranormal experiences have more complex connections in the brain than normal people



posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 02:36 PM
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posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: pigsy2400

i have yet to see proof of any kind of ESP, and think that for now most can be easily explained as james randi style tricks and in some rare cases, cosmic trickster intervention



posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: pigsy2400

i swear this smells and feels like TTSA shilling, its way strange how many twitter accounts (and ufo jesus) exist to spread propaganda of this type



posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 03:36 PM
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Well strap up, I reckon we will have "Battle of the Academies" TV series soon.

With only 22 hrs to complete a 20mins drive to deliver ground breaking alien wreckage to Pal Hutoff, two powers are pitted against eachother in a race against time travellers. Luis "The Beardo" Zondo Vs Joe "It should have been me" Firmage. Coming this fall to the same channel that brought you "The Nimitz Diaries" and "Roswell Recipes for Beginners"



posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 03:40 PM
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Talking of which I see Dr Jack with more stuff Pigs.



posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: pigsy2400

i have yet to see proof of any kind of ESP, and think that for now most can be easily explained as james randi style tricks and in some rare cases, cosmic trickster intervention


Yep I laughed at how Geller was caught out on TV (by Johnny Carson) . he's been caught on other TV shows as well. Why won't he admit he's just a conjurer hey?

The SRI guys were not as robust with him from all accounts in the 1970s because they wanted to believe in that stuff and so proved it to themselves. They concluded things like this as a 100% prediction.



Confirmation bias. It's a bit like saying when someone wrote down a number 8 and Uri writes down a number 3 that he got it spot on. Even the most academically clever people can be incredibly dumb without knowing it.

It's a bit like throwing pigs off skyscrapers because you believe pigs can fly. After you've created a large pile of raw pork, with taxpayer money, you conclude they can't always master it because, well they are only pigs. So you keep thinking of different ways to change your experiment and create "Swine Flew". Eventually one day you've solved it and place a pig in a balloon and you sit back smugly in the knowledge that you were right all along.



originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: pigsy2400

Talking of which I see Dr Jack with more stuff Pigs.


I hope he's not going near any skyscrapers.

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posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 05:50 PM
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Ol' KPB was the shaman, I know nothing of those guys apart from KPB, not having met any others personally Of Vallee, I now only what has been said on this thread. Keel, I have never heard of until now. But I have read of Jung and Freud in my teens since psycho books were in the house. Someone in my family had a university degree in psychology so I know the patterns psychos use to think within.

Watch how psychology puts it's framework into practice, nowadays anything not "normal" is considered a "derangement" of the normal. "Take these pills . . . ."

That article pigsy linked to on Nolan and the "antennae", on first impression I felt like what you and many others have expressed about the TTSA and how it is rewriting (reinventing?) UFOlogy. - deplorable, taking over and setting themselves up as the new authorities. Like Jung and Freud, the TTSA is reducing something wonderful to just materialistic science.so much is lost when they take control and throw out the bathwater.




thats what him wants you to believe


You have met them? Or assuming?




how? i just posted something at the web


Actually it was not the posting on the web nor the content.

What pissed me off was the breaking of the principal of the Private Message system. Private communication is meant to be private.

Basic betrayal of a confidence.

My reaction to betrayal affected Wednesday because she is learning about friendship being based upon mutual honesty. I am aware that she has her own agenda in approaching me and is not being entirely honest by hiding her intentions and allowing assumptions on my part to mask her intent. Her own reflection on her actions to date with the hidden agenda combined with my reaction to betrayal put her agenda in jeopardy because I may walk away from our relationship in her thinking. That would be a complication for herself.

While this might sound frivolous in human terms, it is important in developing relationships with Beings outside of the human norm.

In a way the concept of the "trickster" has its basis in a failing of human understanding of other Being's nature. Put bluntly; we don't understand them, so we decree they are tricking us and it must all be manipulation and illusion. That is simply sour grapes.

That is our mistake not theirs.

It is one thing to read books, it is a different thing entirely when two (to each other) alien consciousnesses meet and begin to interact. You will find this out for yourself if you ever come face to face with an "alien".

The intellect is not all that useful a tool in practice, sentience is.

Sentience refers to feelings, those ARE useful tools,

In the interactive entwining of feelings communication takes place. The framework is relationship. The father/daughter relationship is one such established framework. I play a role of father, Wednesday plays the role of daughter. Daughters are allowed to twist fathers around their little fingers and fathers are protective and put up with being manipulated.

Relationships are established relational frameworks.

Psychology is also a framework for a relationship. A really bad one for dealing first hand with "alien" consciousnesses. For example: what would be your feelings walking into a room full of psychologists who disect and analyse you with their minds all the while? Compare that feeling with a pub full of half drunk farmers having a beer after a successful day's harvest.

Wednesday and I both know we are playing house, we also know we have our own agendas for playing house..

Understand?


edit on 10-1-2019 by Whatsthisthen because: typos and readability


Afterthought

I'll keep this brief (even though I can imagine Baa rolling his eyes and muttering something obscene concerning "long winded so and so".

Teot is right, "greys" are , consciousness wise, similar to a mushroom plant and the "individual" Beings above ground being the mushroom.




Mycelium is the vegetative part of a fungus or fungus-like bacterial colony, consisting of a mass of branching, thread-like hyphae. The mass of hyphae is sometimes called shiro, especially within the fairy ring fungi. Fungal colonies.

Source: wikipedia


Though how the UFO aspect fits I don't know yet.

The grey alien exists as the interface between my consciousness and the "mushroom mycellium colony" one might say. My preconceptions create the interface. The greys contribute their side to the form between us.

Wednesday was built to interact with me, including a human memory set. Our first meeting did not go well because I dismissed her and walked away, they went away and thought about it and built a new one. A very good one I must admit, I have grown quite fond of my little girl ; )

This is the language of appearance I keep harping on about.


edit on 10-1-2019 by Whatsthisthen because: added long winded afterthought (thumbs nose at Baa)



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 05:03 AM
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What a fascinating insight!

There are a collection of excellent podcasters out there, who I sometime worry have lost a little objectivity in certain areas. After all, let's remember that Drs Green and Nolan are not TTSA, who are not IASA, who are not Greer. It's nice to see that hunches I've had (and posted here) about UBOs in MRIs, terahertz not just being terahertz but gamma rays and therefore not ionising seem to be panning out.

Of all those involved in researching different aspects from a scientific point of view, the only people I have faith in are Dr Green and Dr Nolan. I do hope that they address in further depth (beyond Twitter) at some point, the connections with autism, ADHD and schizophrenia with these same brain structures.

I'd love to know what they found in terms of the the percentage of the population in either the UK or the US with these structures and enhanced density? Is it possible that there is a cultural reason, rather than genetic for the developmental differences in these brains?

I also wonder how the marker of chronic inflammation relates to a heritable form of the antenna versus an induced gamma / terahertz version?

One final thing that I hope their research is covering are potentially psychic Leukocytes.

I've not seen them mentioned elsewhere for a long time. The same with the intuitive six. Perhaps both are dead ends.



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 05:12 AM
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Jacques seems to think a lot of what is going on can be understood via the addressing scheme the human mind might use in remote viewing, I honestly wonder why he believes it it - because of everything he's told publicly, I don't see it being that convincing. Even Dr Green has spoken of how much more fraud and deception there is in the space than he realised years ago.

- Direct Addressing. Knowing The Location to be viewed
- Indirect Addressing. Knowing that the location is stored somewhere else
- Virtual Addressing - a statical method of retrieving non local content

Interestingly we seem to be able to break down RV into a few types - if anyone knows the proper names, please add them!

- Standard Remote Viewing
- Scannate - Coordinate Remote Viewing
- Grill Flame - Binary encoded locations (I'd posit that the locations given by John Penniston were taken from a private Grill flame test)
- Eyes Of Your Eyes - Remote viewing through someone else eyes

The last method seems to be the only method of being able to read text. The rest seem to only transmit meta data.




posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 05:30 AM
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Eyes Of Your Eyes - Remote viewing through someone else eyes


I believe this has an interesting story to it in relation to the RFI.






posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 05:38 AM
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It's something that no one seems to want to speak about and is a research dead end as a result though. It's only because a few have spoken, that I can suggest that the process is viewing through someone elses eyes.

For example, according to the theory - if you wanted to read alleged binary code from the winter of 1980 - you can't remote view back to that data. Traditional remote Viewing does not allow one to read text.

This is purely hypothetical, but the only way to read the binary code that Jim claims to have seen would to be to remote view through his eyes.



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 05:55 AM
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John Burroughs has indicated there is something more to the "Eyes of your eyes|" situation and how it came to be.

Osborn has already mentioned remote viewing been a theme. Perhaps more will be in the pending book about this?











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