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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 07:23 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Oooorrrt. Most likely most of those "UFOs" got something to o with the MIC and aren't what people think they are a good deal of the time.
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posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 07:46 PM
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What most don’t know is the vast majority of UFOs are paraphysical, NOT metallic saucers


Though some have been identified as physical objects.



posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Oooorrrt. Most likely most of those "UFOs" got something to o with the MIC and aren't what people think they are a good deal of the time.


That's what I said in the other thread today. (the RFI thread).

I guess to be more specific, it's good to notice when I put
UFO in ' or ".

It's pretty BS, no matter which way you look at it.

Government Deception.
Psychological Deception.
"Spiritual Deception"'.
Self-Deception.
Misidentification.

Like it's said, "Plenty of UFO reports - no UFOs"
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posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear




BTW.. would love to hear your podcast.. I don't know how



I will be loading it on ATS for our gaggle to enjoy. Hopefully Jeff Reitzman will be able to join Mr Hansen and I.

I'll post a link in the next week.



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 03:43 AM
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a reply to: zazzafrazz


Did BM have some solid proof of any of his claims?
Was it all pretend! I thought he had some good stuff then it all got blown away by the fakes, oh well off to research, thanks.



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 03:46 AM
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originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: The GUT

Hanson is da man! He literally just agreed to do a podcast with me....lol trickster at play here today or what? How extraordinary you mentioned that here!


Now isn't that serendipitous! I've just finished reading Paul Radin's "seminal" work, The Trickster with commentaries from Carl Jung and Karl Kerenyi. Given that all I knew previously about the "trickster" I had read here on ATS it was quite the eye opener, in fact, shocking would be a more appropriate term. There seems to have been quite the misappropriation and I was wondering what the main source of that might be. You and The GUT seem to have answered that question.

I look forward to the podcast and will be sure to listen very carefully.






posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 03:59 AM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: zazzafrazz

Have you ever pondered, that the right hemisphere of the brain
might feel a bit cranky and marginalized in western culture, and
might have some involvement, in some manner, with the
'trickster' Or if that is too hemisphere specific, perhaps just the
irrational depths of the human mind in general...

"Breakdown of the bicameral mind" still entices me ya know.

It certainly seems to me, that the 'trickster' will do anything it
can, to defeat logic and science.

BTW.. would love to hear your podcast.. I don't know how
to find it.


I think you would enjoy Karl Kerenyi's essay on the trickster, Jung is unavoidably Jung, but that is insightful in it's own way, but Kerenyi had an extraordinary mind, way ahead of his time.


Not least as a result of his own personal experience, Károly Kerényi highlighted the role of the philologist as interpreter, whereby "the better he interprets, the more he becomes himself the subject, both as receiver as well as messenger. His whole essence and being, his structure and his own experiences, become a factor that cannot be overlooked for interpretation.”[22] In this sense Kerényi’s understanding of science was very modern in 1944. In a time when human sciences were trying to establish themselves as objective-scientific, he recognized that the only means by which to achieve scientific objectivity was by disclosing each scholar's own individual subjectivity.[14]


en.wikipedia.org...

We're only just catching up with him...though some continue to walk backwards.

trove.nla.gov.au...




posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I think i would at that.

Like some other autistics, who have early brain development,
I too was aware in the womb. I've been studying myself
and the Trickster this entire time.. and yes, what you
quote is true.. the more you study the 'Trickster' the
more you wind up studying yourself.

I'd say that those individuals that come to peace with the
Trickster essential nature, stop going insane and don't
die..

the same would be true of cultures

The "west" wants to shoot and kill the trickster;
(with SDI type stuff according to the collins elite)

good luck with that.



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Right before i left the community of the 'famous fringe scientists'
I showed them some of my research on how the "Phenomenon"
uses the Casimir effect to wiggle nanoscale neurological
structures to cause changes in consciousness.

It's a one way quantum to classical bridge, that does not require
any woo.. it overcomes all the problems of quantum woo thinking..

I included National institute of health research that backed up
my 'intuitions' with solid science.

There is a reason that I claim the entire human race is a giant
organic networked space brain 'for the phenomenon (Trickster)'.

I've been at peace with this phenomenon for some time now..
and it sometimes still gets snippy (or i get snippy) but overall
its slaying on it's back purring.. it likes to be understood,
when that understanding occurs due to surrender and self
knowledge.

Or that's how I take it.

I could be completely insane I suppose.

I really liked those quotes about acknowledging the
subjective as a necessary part of the process to
(functionally) be healthily objective.

Good stuff.

Kev


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posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 10:34 AM
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I just thought that I'd mention.. quite a number of
people on both sides (the spiritual folks and the UFO folks)
give me a hard time for my 'research choices'.

Why is a supposedly 'spiritual person' doing "UFO research"
and why is a "UFO cynic" so 'woo-full' ?

Well the answer of course, is that neither approach is 'true'.

Spirituality isn't want people think it is, and neither is UFOogy.

Now in the case of "spirituality" there has been massive
disinformation for well over 5000 years.. and also
in "UFOlogy" there was been massive disinformation and
shenanigans by the MiC for some time.

So studying "UFOlogy" is really the study of the CIA (etc)+
the Trickster. (UFOs = CIA+Trickster)

But that aside... the reason that one would study nearly
any subject, as a 'spiritual person' is to see what the
CHILDREN of the "Trickster" are up to.

It's the children of the "Trickster" that are the problem..
not the "Trickster".

If you want to understand the "Trickster", the only way
is to start with the children, as the 'Trickster" hides
in plain sight.

Kev



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 10:46 AM
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No he didn't imo. Research BM threads here on ATS as we have some excellent mega threads on the subject.
Also be wary of coming across a site ( cant remember the name but it's owned by Horn I think??) where the guy has the rights to the BM material and plugs it like it's proven research, in actuality he is just trying monetize and perpetuate the hoax.



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Is the trickster an archetypy, what does the bowler hat man Represent is that an archetype also? I am interested in these things, but it's hard to get solid answers, i will research your links later when home in pc again, cheers



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: ManyMasks

That's a term for it yes. I am doing a series of three podcasts on the Trickster with some pretty interesting people on the subject. I will be loading on ATS, this might help you.



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

I've been at peace with this phenomenon for some time now, and it sometimes still gets snippy (or i get snippy) but overall
its laying on it's back purring.


What a wonderful image you have put in my mind. I can't stop smiling now.


As well as all the info The GUT recently provided me about the history of disinformation (I'm still going through it), the 'Trickster' phenomenon remains one area that eludes me beyond surface descriptions and spooky stories (mainly via cases such as Skinwalker Ranch).

How far I should climb down this particular rabbit-hole is a good question in itself, but I'm just beginning to poke my head in for a good look, being cautious and highly questioning at the same time. Things are already complicated enough as they are!

You right down in the hole, Kev, and I wish you all the luck you need as you feed us valuable information.



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It's all mostly BS, figuring out the why it's BS is the main mission..



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: ConfusedBrit

you are beyond kind!

The thing to keep in mind about the 'trickster' is that it's
culturally defined.

For example my grandma, the full-blooded lakota sioux
medicine woman, would have offered the 'trickster'
tobacco smoke, and had all these culturally-defined
images in her mind.. that were both a help and a hurt.

Now our culture has had the 'trickster' RAPED.. by
having some cranky old scientologists and other
occult 'scientists' re-market & re-brand the 'trickster'
to 'use it' for their purposes.

now.. the 'trickster' is certainly willing to play ANY
game. I mean ANY.

It will play SWR. It will play at being jesus or satan
or anything you can imagine.. as we are part of the
hardware that the 'trickster' runs on..

it's all good.

One thing that's fascinating, is that due to selectively
deforming neuropeptides & neurons, especially in the
'gut'... it leaves no trail.. there is no 'prana' or 'chi'
or 'lifeforce' to find.. to capture it's activity.

It walks on rice paper and leaves no tracks.

Now for humans, the way to 'communicate back'
is simply to be interesting... and kind..

or evil and stupid.. but if evil and stupid be VERY
evil and stupid... do it with PASSION.

Anyway.. Iv'e left too many tracks today.. time
to let others have some fun.

Again.. ty for the kindness.

Kev



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: pigsy2400

Yes indeed.

Even the 'trickster' is BS, as we humans bring our own
delusions and BS and bias with us when we search
for ultimate answers.

So.. if those ultimate answers wish to communicate
back.. which they generally don't.. they can only
use the instrument provided.... the one full of
delusions.



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ta for the info, Kev. Good advice and plenty of food for thought.

I'll also try and catch zazzafrazz's podcasts on the topic.



PS: By the way, (not directed at you necessarily) I'm knee-deep in a 'Twin Peaks' marathon at the moment, covering everything from Season 1's quirky parody of standard soap-operas through to Season 2's gradual introduction of Project Bluebook, inter-dimensional abductions, Black and White Lodges and the Phenomenon in general, plus the disturbing 1992 movie 'Fire Walk With Me' and the recent third season which really grabs the Phenomenon by the throat for a very wild ride indeed.

Still hard to believe that mainstream TV went anywhere near this subject in 1990!

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posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 01:34 PM
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I would recommend watching "Fire walk with me" before watching
the main series, unless you want to be extremely frustrated.

I am having trouble watching season 3.

I'm actually not enjoying the series.. not any of it.. even though
I'm a huge Kyle McLoughlin fan..

the series just rips off a few cultural memes... white and black
lodge are just theosophy and early new age memes.

I also don't like the use of a 'little person' and Mr. Homes from
Star Trek TNG as a cheap special effect.

Love the theme song. Love "the clip" from youtube...

don't like the show.



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 01:36 PM
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There was a relevant piece in the Guardian by Nick Pope.



UFO sightings may be falling, but Congress is still paying attention



The Senate Armed Services Committee is looking into a 2004 incident where US Navy pilots flying with the USS Nimitz strike group encountered, chased and filmed fast-moving unidentified objects. Reliable sources say at least two of the military pilots involved have already been interviewed, and a radar operator was subsequently invited to get in touch.

In parallel, the House Armed Services Committee is taking an interest. Records from April show the committee received a Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) briefing on the Pentagon’s UFO project, the cryptically-named AATIP. We know so little about AATIP that there’s even dispute over whether the acronym stands for Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program or Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program....

If current US Congressional interest evolves into formal hearings, either specifically on AATIP, or on UAPs more generally, I hope they can get past debates about terminology, and avoid getting bogged down in statistical analyses. I have made clear my willingness to testify on the basis that my experience with the MoD might be relevant...

Full Story : The Guardian


Nothing much we haven't already discussed. But at least we know Nick Pope has offered to testify. Which possibly explains why a number of other ufotainment personalities are now so keen to back the TTSA boys. Everyone wants a seat at that table testifying.



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