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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Sep, 29 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

You’re referring to Knapp I take it.
I see your point but am mystified at the importance-- seemingly obvious misdirection--on these two points of supposed fact.

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posted on Sep, 29 2018 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

It was more a response to the original point being a valid one. Then a separate second train of thought about the similarities behind the Lazar case using slightly different Naval department names. Just as AATIP appears to be. One to Zondo and TTSA and one to the Pentagon. Both stories heavily linked to the same journalist.

Don't get too paranoid! No misdirection intended.



posted on Sep, 29 2018 @ 07:02 PM
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.. removed post as it's been mentioned already
edit on 29/9/2018 by Smugallo because: Someone mentioned already



posted on Sep, 29 2018 @ 07:52 PM
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For ConfusedBrit. The (some?) "mutilators" come in basically two minds. One mind has a keen sense of wrongdoing and the other mind is scientific and very dissecting. the scientific mind controls the other more human mind. That is not to suggest the two are normal corporeal human. Hope lays in rescuing the mind that is controlled. There is one (human) aspect of the "phenomenon" that always uses proxies to do it's dirty work, that is its signature.

For ConstructionOfLight. In radionics the operator uses a "witness" (blood, hair, photograph etc) to target the patient. I would hazard a guess and suggest the phone number of a cell phone would be a unique identifier. To create a 5G "control field" one might use the cell phone. A larger field might possibly be created by using GPS location and 5G towers or all the 5G objects in a house or vicinity. PlayStation's for instance. Unique identifiers are what is needed.

The psychic security around the name (not necessarily the person herself)VR was a ceramic ring on which pure copper wire was wound as a coil.

For everyone else Occultists are not dimwits. The (astral?) pink glowing worm that lives in the bowels of human and migrates to the nervous system and called polio by the intellectually minded was created by Occultists to create a fae-interface. The marriage of fae-folk and human, bio-engineering in my language. The olden days Occultists are way beyond modern western biotech of simple cloning and medical science in general. The kundalini as KPB pointed out once or twice is not what we are told it is.



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posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 06:21 AM
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Apologies if this has already been covered...

The date of the Nimitz sighting..14th November 2004....

NASA tested the x43-a on the 16th of November 2004....and achieved mach 10+ testing in the same area that the tic tac was seen an where the Nimitz would have been;

www.nasa.gov...

There is also mention of the test being carried out either in the 15th or the 16th..this was before the flight test had taken place and the date hadn't been nailed down...

www.nasa.gov...

Was the Nimitz tic tac...essentially the X43-a or a test bed version of it prior to the main test..? The video, well that wasn't fravors sighting was it...it's funny how the testing was taking place in the same vicinity and yet nothing about the NASA test has been mentioned in any of the TTSA releases or mentioned by any of the witnesses. Considering the nature of the test being carried out in the same location as the Nimitz.. Surely they would have been aware that such a test was happening...

Is it a case of both were separate completely or the dates confused and mixed up? The Nimitz event, well has been said that they were buzzed over a period of days/weeks......

Whether related or not...I find the coincidence striking and very interesting...

More questions.... As usual..

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posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 06:39 AM
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It doesn't really look like a tic-tac and leaves huge contrail. It might be enough to confuse radar operators but surely not visual contact by military pilots.

I would also have thought that the military and NASA would communicate with each other about the tests. Surely the FAA would have to know too?

As you say more questions.



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 08:42 AM
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197 pages. What exactly are we waiting for now re TTSA .



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: Baablacksheep

It's crickets at the moment.....sure there is something scheduled...



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: pigsy2400
Apologies if this has already been covered...

The date of the Nimitz sighting..14th November 2004....

NASA tested the x43-a on the 16th of November 2004....and achieved mach 10+ testing in the same area that the tic tac was seen an where the Nimitz would have been;

www.nasa.gov...

There is also mention of the test being carried out either in the 15th or the 16th..this was before the flight test had taken place and the date hadn't been nailed down...

www.nasa.gov...

Was the Nimitz tic tac...essentially the X43-a or a test bed version of it prior to the main test..? The video, well that wasn't fravors sighting was it...it's funny how the testing was taking place in the same vicinity and yet nothing about the NASA test has been mentioned in any of the TTSA releases or mentioned by any of the witnesses. Considering the nature of the test being carried out in the same location as the Nimitz.. Surely they would have been aware that such a test was happening...

Is it a case of both were separate completely or the dates confused and mixed up? The Nimitz event, well has been said that they were buzzed over a period of days/weeks......

Whether related or not...I find the coincidence striking and very interesting...

More questions.... As usual..


The x43 can't hover and then accelerate from the hover. Whatever it was, it wasn't that.

With the reaction to TTSA from the community being overwhelmingly overtly hostile and the funding round mostly a failure im not sure much more than the completion of delonges 6 book project will be forthcoming. Maybe a TV show on AATIP. The only exception would be if there's a quiet backer in the form of Bigalow to fund some actual research.

A failure, but one that got UFOs taken seriously by the mainstream for a brief moment, so not a total loss in the grand scheme.

Now back to the regularly scheduled ufo topic service in the form of Greer, Wilcox and the many varieties of ATS forum LARPs.


edit on 30-9-2018 by justwokeup because: Typo



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

I’m not saying it's you’re misdirection. It’s the IC, if anyone



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: justwokeup

The surprisingly sober mainstream report by the BBC was what kickstarted my own resurgence of interest in Ufology last year - and ultimately the road to ATS!

So I have something to thank TTSA for: meeting all you wonderfully smart people. Can't knock 'em for that, right?



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posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 02:57 PM
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Yet those mainstream reports have dried up. Leslie Kean, who was deeply involved with New York Times story in Dec. 2017, kept hinting there was more to come for a while. But since then there has been very little in the mainstream media that isn' regurgitating that initial story. Which suggests to me that the same questions we have about AATIP have been posed by the MSM and they feel they were hoodwinked in an ad campaign for an entertainment franchise.

By the way you can no longer donate to TTSA any more. At least that's news.

They've probably got a new video clip in the pipeline for release in around a week or two as well.

Can't wait!



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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Unless anything startling and major comes out of ttsa, I'm leaving it alone now. Bored of the whole circus now and I think it's all BS anyway, as is the case with most things in ufology, to steal a line from KellyPrettyBear, they all want to trade up and be magicians, well.. They can have thier box of magic tricks and stick em...they got a top hat and want everyone to believe it's aliens.. Sorry guys it's a rabbit...., I definitely think my energy and time would be better spent elsewhere....


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posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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Agreed I've even dried up on the gags and cartoons for now.

I would guess a lot of people are actually glad about that!

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But before I retire for a while I did notice that in the SEC filings there is a mention about the magic materials.





Introduction/Background

The emergence of exotic materials has introduced the possibility of expanding the role of structural materials to other operational functions such as sensors and propulsion. There is anecdotal evidence that these materials could provide other functions that fundamentally change the design approach for vehicles, including cars, trucks, aircraft, and spacecraft as well as provide insight into their source. A first step in this journey is experimental work to assess recovered materials for unusual properties.

To The Stars Academy (TTSA) seeks to outsource to EarthTech International, Incorporated (ETI) all analysis and experiments for the Materials Analysis......

Period of Performance

The total period of performance for the MAP efforts is 10 weeks months[????], beginning on August 16, 2018 through October 25, 2018. All work must be scheduled to complete within this timeframe. Any modifications or extensions will be requested through TTSA and ETI contracting officers for review and discussion.....

Once all project tasks have been completed, the project will enter the handoff/closure stage. During this stage of the project, ETI will provide their project report to TTSA’s Aerospace Division Director. The acceptance of this documentation by TTSA’s Aerospace Division Director will acknowledge acceptance of all project deliverables and that ETI has met all assigned tasks.

Any discrepancies involving completion of project tasks or disagreement between TTSA and the ETI will be resolved by executive leaders from each respective company.

Other Requirements

The program funding is capped at $35,000.

TTSA expects only a task-level cost proposal to enable contract award.

Payment Schedule: 50% at contract award, 50% at contract completion.

See : Link



Massive conflict of interest.

The TTSA Vice-President is also the President of EarthTech International. I guess if there are discrepancies then Hal Puthoff, a former $cientologist and self professed remote viewer, will be beating himself up over them!

Normally you'd expect Zondo to take him down easily. But that "Bro hug" in Austin makes you wonder doesn't it?



Put October 25th in your diaries. The magic of the meta materials should be confirmed. If nothing comes of it then at least remember to go out and buy a pumpkin or two.


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posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: justwokeup

So correct. The 43 isn't close to what was described beyond flight characteristics... th tic tacs has no trail or evident sign of propulsion. A genuine mystery, or is it?



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

I take it you didn't see that early on?
Or, were you intentionally avoiding allowing it into your reality?



posted on Oct, 1 2018 @ 12:45 AM
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originally posted by: pigsy2400
Unless anything startling and major comes out of ttsa, I'm leaving it alone now. Bored of the whole circus now and I think it's all BS anyway, as is the case with most things in ufology, to steal a line from KellyPrettyBear, they all want to trade up and be magicians, well.. They can have thier box of magic tricks and stick em...they got a top hat and want everyone to believe it's aliens.. Sorry guys it's a rabbit...., I definitely think my energy and time would be better spent elsewhere....



I consider TTSA very interesting(drama less so). The whole chain of events in the UFO arena have been totally fascinating this past year. There is a lot afoot especially when Rendllesham is thrown in the mix.


Keep watching Pig.

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posted on Oct, 1 2018 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: Defragmentor

Just an update on progress on feeding "phenomenon".

Picking fruit as an"offering" didn't make much of a difference I could see. A second citrus tree is now showing signs of depletion in a peculiar way.

Though laden with a crop of mandarins. the fruit tastes like water, no flavor at all.. Leaves are yellowed and only one or two shoots of new growth.

In comparison, the other citrus trees are very green, lots of healthy new growth and flowers.

The species of "phenomenon" is not one I am familiar with. Certainly not fairy folk such as wood-nymphs.

If I were to hazard an educated guess, then I would say it is probably the orb-like "distortion" in the almond tree photo. There is also a familiarity with the dalnegorsk orb though this one affecting the fruit trees seems vegetarian. In that it seems to absorb the flavours of the fruit. Organic esters.

files.abovetopsecret.com...


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posted on Oct, 1 2018 @ 09:41 PM
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Poor TTSA. IF, as is expected, there’s nothing to disclose by our vaunted government then TTSA I predict will come up with absolutely nothing.

Think about it. IF this is not a surreptitious disclosure of something from the government what makes people think this squad of “experts” are going to solve the UFO conundrum or phenomenon.

Let’s face it, it’s all been said, written by more intelligent, imaginative and even scientific people than the TTSA squad of whatever they are…I guess researchers.

ETH, ITH, UTH, and any other kind of TH imaginable has been theorized, fantasized, romanticized, and homogenized.

I mean it stands to reason that after going on 8 decades IF there is something to the phenomenon then whoever, whatever is behind it holds the cards, no human--now superfluous--Indiana Jones jaunts at solving the mystery will succeed and are doomed to failure and or merely a perpetuation of another pedestrian exercise in vanity.

Ask yourself this. What’s really new out there that TTSA could study that might bear some light on the mystery?

Certainly not the trinkets from outer space they're making so much noise over.

Then what? Levenda and TDL’s Sekret machine theory. Nothing new there; there’s been theorist from Jac Valle, John Keel, and many others with more elaborate and intricate and interesting theories way beyond the not so deep or new( actually recycled) ideas in Levenda’s book. In other words that book has nil of any novel approaches or ideas regarding the phenomenon.

We won’t even mention the myriad mixed signals coming out of TTSA. Nor mention, as I have many times, the IC communities clear input into TTSA.

As far as I’m concerned that in itself might have had some value, as well the good press (a sure anomaly of interest) only in terms of the possibility TTSA had some worthwhile inside information regarding disclosure possibilities. And in fact this is what TDL, unlike Zondo, and others, seemed to base his cred on: that is the disclosure of inside information from these top generals he has been cavorting with.

But no, there’s been nothing of the sort alluded to, only the pretension of some kind of deep and genuine supposed scientific research apparatus and socialized mythology surrounding-- of all things--entertainment.

Unfortunately, considering all the above one has no choice but to conclude that in the case of TTSA, and maybe the reason our friend never changes his clothes is that...


The emperor has no clothes

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posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 02:23 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

I find levenda very interesting. The recent radio show with Peter and John Burroughs was particularly interesting indeed.





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