Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

Here's part II

Delonge Speaks

a reply to: Willtell

They all have different beliefs.

That's the thing that people get wrong.

They just want to pursue their individual hobbies and have
it paid for by working people.

Kev

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

We get poked and prodded by various factions.. from our own psyches,
from other humans and human groups, and yes, possibly from 'outside'.

But the thing to always keep in mind is this.. nearly everything that
plays is like a movie made from elements that are in our memories and/or
have meaning to us for some reason.

In a way "experiencers" get played a movie of their life.. to interact
with.

In a very real sense.. WE are the movie.

Kev

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: pigsy2400

Yep that just about summarizes the whole thread....

Welcome to tomorrow.........

In a big country anything can happen.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There is a certain detachment that can put you in the theater seati. Yet there is another side to that and to just stay in the detached state is only an aspect.

What interests me is the "why", the "who", and the implication of a modus operandi that incorporates triggers.

I've followed the conversation around Scientology, and I am familiar with EST.

(smile) it is not like you to beat around the bush like that.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

thanks, it of course is very salient what the FL crew are doing.

One other aspect that has been in my thoughts lately is Julian Jaynes Bicameralism of the Mind and the rise of Consciousness.

en.wikipedia.org...(psychology)

Breakdown of bicameralism

The Bronze age collapse of the 2nd millennium BCE led to mass migrations and created a rash of unexpected situations and stresses which required ancient minds to become more flexible and creative. Self-awareness, or consciousness, was the culturally evolved solution to this problem. This necessity of communicating commonly observed phenomena among individuals who shared no common language or cultural upbringing encouraged those communities to become self-aware to survive in a new environment. Thus consciousness, like bicamerality, emerged as a neurological adaptation to social complexity in a changing world.[citation needed]

Jaynes further argues that divination, prayer, and oracles arose during this breakdown period, in an attempt to summon instructions from the "gods" whose voices could no longer be heard.[3] The consultation of special bicamerally operative individuals, or of divination by casting lots and so forth, was a response to this loss, a transitional era depicted, for example, in the book of 1 Samuel. It was also evidenced in children who could communicate with the gods, but as their neurology was set by language and society they gradually lost that ability.

Now if we speculate consciousness and the idea of self-reflection came along late in human development, say after the last ice age ( 12,000 years ago ) it would account for the stories like the attainment of Prometheus fire, or the Expulsion from Eden and suggest that previous Man although still homo-sapien was not the Homo-sapien man of today.

In ancient times, Jaynes noted, gods were generally much more numerous and much more anthropomorphic than in modern times, and speculates that this was because each bicameral person had their own "god" who reflected their own desires and experiences.[4]

Unlike today's hallucinations, the voices of ancient times were structured by cultural norms to produce a seamlessly functioning society.

Jaynes inferred that these "voices" came from the right brain counterparts of the left brain language centres; specifically, the counterparts to Wernicke's area and Broca's area. These regions are somewhat dormant in the right brains of most modern humans, but Jaynes noted that some studies show that auditory hallucinations correspond to increased activity in these areas of the brain.[3]

Jaynes notes that even at the time of publication there is no consensus as to the cause or origins of schizophrenia. Jaynes argues that schizophrenia is a vestige of humanity's earlier bicameral state.[3] Recent evidence shows that many schizophrenics do not just hear random voices but experience "command hallucinations" instructing their behavior or urging them to commit certain acts

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Nah, Kit is a very nice guy, an honorable man, and a very dear friend of mine... He's not scary. He's BRILLIANT and pursues the scientific TRUTH no matter what.

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Nah, Kit is a very nice guy, an honorable man, and a very dear friend of mine... He's not scary. He's BRILLIANT and pursues the scientific TRUTH no matter what.

Thank you.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Most welcome... There's lots of erroneous speculation going on all over the web about this stuff, it's owned by Bigelow, he isn't interested in sharing, and that's his RIGHT. He bought the land and he paid for the data collection.

It's HIS to do, or not do with as he pleases.

Simple.

a reply to: The GUT

In a big country anything can happen

Snap! - hot chickies
My co-Pilot & I are hot on their trail - the Moorglade Mover has been built!


"To move we delight
Call his name, his name
We chase as we run
The motion decide
Call his name, his name

Arya Arya Arya Arya
Arya Arya Arya Arya"

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I feel like I just entered the twilight zone.😐

a reply to: Baablacksheep



At least that was all black and white.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
What all the UFO frauds are doing these days is NO DIFFERENT than the
first such scams that occurred around say 100 BC.

People who do not study history are fated to fall prey to similar scams...
like we are now.

What form did these "scams" take place? Can you be more specific than "around say 100 BC", and a where would be handy to know too?

Thanks.

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Nah, Kit is a very nice guy, an honorable man, and a very dear friend of mine... He's not scary. He's BRILLIANT and pursues the scientific TRUTH no matter what.

as I recall I said all those positive things about him as well at one time or another,
though I've never had the honor of meeting the man.

That said, I have a real talent for enraging people. I've enraged 2 or 3 people that
you have probably met. Frankly, they had 'enraged me first', but that's a different
story. I myself am almost anger free.. but it does happen.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

I wasn't really beating around the bush.

And of course i'm familiar with the 'world as a stage including 'yourself'"
mode.. the Advaitists consider that a worthwhile state of
consciousness.

The thing is, I cannot speak for you, as to which agents you have active
in your life. It's different for everyone.

Kev

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I actually repurchased that book in Kindle format recently..
Julian Jaynes wasn't on the right track (unfortunately) but he
was near A right track.

I love Dr Greens art. One in particular. 😁

christophergreenfineart.com...

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
What all the UFO frauds are doing these days is NO DIFFERENT than the
first such scams that occurred around say 100 BC.

People who do not study history are fated to fall prey to similar scams...
like we are now.

What form did these "scams" take place? Can you be more specific than "around say 100 BC", and a where would be handy to know too?

Thanks.

To be more specific, I was referring to Euhemers, the 4th century Greek Philosopher.

And for general background, you might want to check out what Dr. Richard Carrier
has to say on the subject of the historical jesus as a good example.

But in short, from the 4th century BCE onward, there was a trend in various religions
to further mind control their adherents, by claiming that non-physical 'deities'
were being born as men, and that only the people who had access to those
men (in person or via apostalic privileges) could possibly know 'the truth'.

As I understand it, Mithraism did it.. and Zoroaster.. but of course the most
famous example is jesus.. jesus was in fact the name of a Jewish archangel..
who was Euhemerized to get tighter control over worshippers.

I"m saying the same phenomenon is occurring today, with the UFO religion.

For example TTSA focuses on physical 'artifacts' such as supposed crash
artificats and ejecta, not to mention they take implants seriously too.

Only people with the "holy relics" really know what's going on you know..
the people with the "holy relics" get to speak for all of us you know..

this is why the actual non-physical-ish 'forces' are incessantly portrayed
as they are..

the purpose of my post was basically to say there is nothing new under
the sun.. same song.. different dance..

I hope that clarifies my more philosophical than usual point.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

To be more specific, I was referring to Euhemers, the 4th century Greek Philosopher.

I'm not familiar with the name, or do you mean the novelist Euhemerus of Messene? If the latter, I am not sure you can blame him for Diodorus Siculus' folly. Some similarity with Levenda though, I can see that, and Dr Green with his "art", vanity pieces for wealthy patrons that attempt to naturalise the gods.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
And for general background, you might want to check out what Dr. Richard Carrier
has to say on the subject of the historical jesus as a good example.

I am not a suitable audience for Carrier. I think you need to have been raised in the Mid-West or Bible-belt to find his views even remotely relevant. Kind of last century.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
I hope that clarifies my more philosophical than usual point.

More literary than philosophical, but that's a common mistake.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
I love Dr Greens art. One in particular. 😁

christophergreenfineart.com...

Not bad at all.

'Surfsong Grotto II' would be my choice.

I get good vibes from Green. Everyone in this kerrrazee field is easy to mock, of course, but Green in particular gives off a reliable, more trustworthy aura than most - eg, in a completely different universe of trust compared to the likes of Greer.