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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 08:24 PM

originally posted by: mirageman

It's good that after a year spent growing a beard "Justy" has come out and talked about his Advanced Hairyfaced Fret Identification Project.

Another MM classic! ROFL

posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 08:43 PM
Hi Kev,

We've not corresponded before but I'm a fan of your posts.

Would you be so kind as to review this post of mine: and tell me your thoughts; I dropped your name in there as I thought it would be easier on other posters to get where I coming from.

Much obliged Sir.
Thank you for some very interesting posts along the way.

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posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 02:46 AM
SO glad to see Mr. Kelly Pretty Bear back in action on this thread. Its encouraging for me because my experiences with 'the phenomenon' began when I was studying shamanism (albeit on an entry-level basis) in the Phoenix area of Arizona in 1998. I had an experience in December of 98 that shook and terrified me, a "visitor- window' experience that occurred in a type of lucid dream that I'd never had before, or have had since. Awakening in what must have been a a dream, I looked at the bedroom window, then looked away (1x), looked again at the window then looked away (2x) as a feeling of dread started to well up within me. Looking at the window a third time, I saw an alien grey-humanoid type head in the window, but this head was jet black, not grey. I felt paralyzed as the head entered the room, enlarged to a huge size and rushed into my solar plexus/chest area, I woke screaming, covered with sweat. The 1-2-3 aspect of this experience has always intrigued me.

This experience rattled me and nudged me away from continuing with shamanic studies, I felt like maybe I have karmic baggage or some kind of block that was going to make this type of pursuit lethal for me. But I miss it quite often as I'm getting older. Since then I have had a few strange encounters with lights, but am mostly left with the feeling of what KPB describes as a "failed shaman'. I enjoyed reading Jacques Valle's "Messengers of Deception" and the first two "Forbidden Science" volumes, in my search for information on this topic. I feel like Vallee gets discussed a lot (as he should) due to his substantial published works. The person I wish I knew more about is Kit Green, I believe Vallee mentions him in Forbidden Science.Because of his work with magnetic resonance imaging, I think of Kit Green when people point out that the DeLonge's TTS science team is stocked with bio-science people.

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 05:00 AM

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

And I believe you have already confirmed somewhere that you were not near any TVs, radios, computers, smartphones, wifi etc. for those 3 days? So this was not the effect of some form of EM radiation? Correct?

A perfectly valid question.

I lived in an EM "dead spot"... which is strange in itself.. I had zero bars of cell signal in about a one
block radius of the house.

Now as you may recall... some sort of "field" descended several hours before the UFO incident..
this is a fairly common thing that is reported.. it's hard to describe.. it was almost like static
electricity... it felt like a 'charge' was surrounding that same 1 block dead zone.

I have no idea whether some sort of human technology was impacting me.. or whether the
"phenomenon" itself needs to seed the area prior to being able to interact with people..

I'm 50/50 on that.. I truly don't know.

It would seem that being in an EMF dead spot might actually be required.. or at least
very helpful. Thus helping to explain the end of the golden age of "UFOs".


No access to a computer either? How awful.

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 05:05 AM
a reply to: Baablacksheep

She keeps some interesting company, what's her name again?

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posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 05:14 AM
a reply to: MrRussell

I reckon we should get MM to do a Ats Annual at the end of the year

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 05:18 AM

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Baablacksheep

She keeps some interesting company, what's her name again?

Yes. Remember that people do marry and divorce.

Otherwise it is interesting to see Teresa involved in all of this in some way , especially Hal etc.

The news article again.

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posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 05:22 AM
a reply to: Baablacksheep

It was thier last name that changed last time I checked.

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 05:29 AM
a reply to: Baablacksheep

So she met with puthoff in 2009 and saw a Ufo in July of this year...... Usually the other way round isn't it..

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 05:31 AM

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Baablacksheep

It was thier last name that changed last time I checked.

I do not know why Pigsy am not even sure that is important and more than likely has a very simple explanation . I think backgrounds and who is connecting to whom is the most interesting in all of this. Just my opinion of course.

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posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 05:35 AM

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Baablacksheep

So she met with puthoff in 2009 and saw a Ufo in July of this year...... Usually the other way round isn't it..

Here is her story Pig. She was ten years old.
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posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 08:44 AM

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: MrRussell

I reckon we should get MM to do a Ats Annual at the end of the year

Oh absolutely, great idea!
I'm thinking if I get time (project work pending) I might go through the thread(s) and collect them together in a PDF file.

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 03:24 PM
a reply to: MrRussell

Hi. You asked me to respond to this post.. so I'm happy to do so.
The reason that I didn't respond when i first saw it, is that you
are saying something very similar to what I hypothesize.

Humans are the bait for the Phenomenon; they always have been.

I'd go so far as to say, that "UFOs" get put in the skies.. to cause emotional
reactions in humans, to allow their systems to be 'hacked'. Emotional
reactions cause the release of neurochemicals.. and it's the neurochemicals
that in my experience are a critical gateway to allow access.

Human culture is manipulated by various parties, to get us electro-chemical
computers to release the right mixture of neurochemicals to then
manipulate us.

Religions.. spirituality.. politics.. of the human kind.. they all do it..
love.. awe.. worship.. fear.. hate.. they are all doorways.

Insofar as a technological interface with the Phenomenon.. it could
certainly be done..

but in my view, the cyberization & AI trends will replace humans
as we exist now, so the "Phenomenon" will be locked out.. it's
younger brother the "Machine Intelligence" will rule the world..
in a manner of speaking.

The "Phenomenon" just can't get our attention in a way that is
beneficial for anyone.. largely because humans have become
so negative and selfish.. they have lost the ability to fit into
"life" like earlier civilizations did.

We have grown deaf and blind, in our rush to technological

edit on 22-9-2018 by KellyPrettyBear because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 03:41 PM
a reply to: lakespirit

Thanks for the warm welcome.

And thanks for sharing your experience.

On the "failed shaman thing" it's true enough in a sense, however I also
speak of things in that manner not because I failed.. but because I
was successful... people always want their biases confirmed.. and then
to become some form of "enlightened". But people always complain/moan
and suffer when they "fail".

But perhaps "failure" should be the goal?

To be "disillusioned" is to rid oneself of illusions.. and then when you
thoroughly do that.. maybe you understand what's true?

"Failure" is actually a wonderful thing.. it's actually the goal.
I'm not supposed to tell you that of course.

Now a question for you.. and I feel like asking this question to
everyone I come across for a while..

In your opinion, why is the "Phenomenon" ALWAYS "evil"... at least
going back 5000 years or so..

Any idea?

Even people who think that they are in contact with something 'good'
will discover that what they are in contact with, is in fact 'evil'.
"It" might play them for 50 years.. but eventually it will come out.

As for Kit Green.. everyone I know (knew.. I'm in the doghouse these days)
thinks very highly of the man.. but I'd stay out of his business if I were you.

There's this 'ooohhh wowwww' factor the community bestows on some people..
but they wonder what's going on and scratch their ass much as any of us..

What they tend to know is how various urban legends or disinformation
campaigns started.. and that's generally restricted or classified information
and that's bad stuff to get near.

I wish you happiness ;-)

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 06:50 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Gotta agree on the "woooahh wow" factor you mentioned kev. The second you put someone on a pedestal, that's it, bang, they have the power to control your bias.

It's becoming more and more clear that people these days lack the ability to think for themselves

Never give too much time to self-proclaimed gurus or magicians! Sure there's a pretty cool story about that somewhere

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 07:41 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'm not sure the phenomena is evil, I don't think of it in terms of black and white.

Any evil, IMO, comes from us, whether it's our perception of the phenomena, or the phenomena reflecting us

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 07:54 PM

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

why is the "Phenomenon" ALWAYS "evil"... at least going back 5000 years or so..

Is Fear Of The Unknown the simple human answer?

What troubles me more than perceived Evil on the part of the "Phenomenon" would be perceived Indifference. Not in a smug, superior manner - we can cope with and understand that to some extent - rather a truly indifferent attitude akin to human dismissal of tadpoles.

When/if the UFOs finally land on the White House lawn and public curiosity in ufology is ultimately sated at last, it's the NEXT stage that could be the most troubling of all, both in terms of how we socialise with Them, and how human nature will react to being demoted in the grand universal pecking order. The reality of alien life is something most people on this planet crave, whether they're UFO enthusiasts or not - it's what happens next that folks tend not to speculate about.

"Be Careful What You Wish For", indeed.

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 08:38 PM
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

All you have to do is look at history to know how it will pan out!

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 09:05 PM
a reply to: MrRussell

An interesting observation there MrRussell

originally posted by: MrRussell

originally posted by: pigsy2400
New clip about the materials from TTSA, funny Puthoff has a little subtle snipe at the naysayers right at the start. I'll leave the obviois clipart puns to Mirageman

The thing is people they're not testing parts or metals, what they're testing are blurs. Now I'm no expert so I don't know how this is possible; or indeed why you would want or need to.

I was once, shall I say, “set upon” by two hot alien babes, and yes folks I have a photo to prove it.

So I am puzzled to what Zondo et al are up to in reality.

I know what kind of blur I'd rather test.

I wonder . . . .

Why blur out the sample?

Now this is just a "what if?" of mine.

Perhaps it is a matter of security?

In the practice of dowsing maps are sometimes used as a way of remotely "devining" a location. A skilled dowser can use a lock of hair, blood or a photograph. Dowsers even make "black boxes", instruments that can both receive and send information to and from a target via a "witness" (photo, blood, hair). More info: The History of Radionics

If one uses the black boxes long enough, eventually you don't need them anymore. I used to build them, not difficult.

We are familiar with DNA testing. A drop of blood or a single hair contains a LOT of information about the person. So do photographs.

Now it has been a while since I picked up one of those gadgets, that was before photos went digital. So I am not sure of analogue Vs digital, but I believe it would not make too big a difference, though film has silver in it to capture certain things.

The point of the matter is that a really good dowser can gain a lot of info from a photo. That alone could be a reason for blurring out (removing information) from a photograph.

In the world of the "phenomenon", the "phenomenon" knows this too. In a sense, the "phenomenon" can intentionally send information via a photo and make it's presence felt and known to someone who is aware.

Sometimes it is surprising what and who steps forward out of a photograph.

It follows from this line of thinking that someone like the TTSA would want to remove information from a photo such as the image of the actual debris.

1. To stop a dowser from discovering the "debris" is false.

2. To stop a dowser from discovering the "debris" is true.

If false the deception is plain to see.

If true, then information is available to third parties.

The basic question here is this; Are they this smart?

Let's go a bit further.

The consciousness of that which is photographed can, if it knows how, step out of a photograph. I won't watch The Hunt For Skinwalker for exactly that reason.

Consciousnesses step out of photos far too often for my comfort, though it is occasionally very interesting. Occasionally one makes a new friend.

Personally, I don't look for trouble, so I let the "phenomenon" alone. Sometimes it gets curious when a human ignores it and it will come and say "hello". Sometimes it wants something and then things get interesting and you learn.

On the surface, removing the debris from a photo is a security measure. But is the TTSA that smart?

If they are indeed that smart, then it can posibly be for two reasons.

To hide a deception, or, they actually have something and they don't want outsiders talking to their "debris".

(I wonder when they started blurring the photos.)

edit on 22-9-2018 by Whatsthisthen because: typo and clarity

posted on Sep, 22 2018 @ 09:24 PM
Superficially the phenomenon is showing off its capabilities. I mean its like human scientists do collecting samples of this or that for some reason but on one level their showing off like a proud baseball player hitting massive home runs out of the ballpark in batting practice to impress the pretty girls in the stands.

They come like a thief in the night the only difference is we don’t know what their stealing but I think they're stealing something.

What we also don’t know who are the pretty girls they're trying to impress.

From June 24th, 1947, John the Baptists day until today....71years of programming has to amount to something.

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