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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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What happened to our new friend? He’s a little wild and may have problems. I really have sympathy and compassion for the guy and hope he straightens himself out




posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: mirageman

The thing had a Sep 9, 2018, date but I’m not sure when it was done.

I’m trying to recall if there was anything said in the video that indicated when that was

But the important thing is what he said which amounts to a disclosure. That’s not saying I believe him. Actually what he says confirms what Steve Greer says about them trying to drum up an alien war.

He says the secret boys admit they found a life form during the cold war years...presumably at Roswell.

He says the government knows the aliens are trying to stir up a war and that they are like gods
I think that’s from his famous” study Greek mythology” quote from the Rogan video

Now, again, I don’t believe what he’s saying but this is explicit, no subtlety here, HE SAYING THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THE ALIENS ARE HERE AND THEY ARE DANGEROUS.

Another interesting thing is that what he says here is diametrically opposed to what Zondo is saying and doing and also what Levenda is saying and doing.




To be honest it's entirely consistent with the theme of Levenda's book God's. Which is not surprising as Delonge paid him to write it. Since the other 2 unpublished books are going to be Man then War it's clearly heading in that same direction.

The Elizondo stuff leans in a similar direction, just purely factual in the here and now. Even the kit green stuff (uap causing harm is what I think they are going to try and prove) slants that way.

It may all be bunkum but it does have a consistent theme.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: justwokeup

So if their sure about what is happening, and according to that video they are, then why this TTSA business enterprise and all this going around and trying to test alien material?

And what does all that intrigue TDL was talking about have to do with TTSA and their warp drive and gravity propulsion obsession?

I think none of it is consistent; it’s very inconsistent, IMO.

Of course, maybe it has to do with Delonge’s attempt to, as he says, make the MIC look good.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: mirageman
HE SAYING THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THE ALIENS ARE HERE AND THEY ARE DANGEROUS.


He is saying "someone" in an official capacity "told" him something. The question is, was he shown any proof of these claims? It sounds like he just takes this guys word as truth. If Tom has read up about all this stuff, I assume he has from what he's been talking about, I'd like to know why he would blindly accept what any of these guys say as truth.

And like you said before, Zondo is talking about this stuff completely different. Zondo talks about not wanting the tech to fall into enemy hands, when TDL says or enemies already have the tech, and "the others" have crashed tech on purpose to give it to them.

If what Tom said was true (A GIANT IF), I would think that would unite the world towards a common goal, regardless of the implications of religions falling apart. I personally believe it wouldn't destroy religion altogether, but force humanity into asking deeper questions about it. IE. If they are gods, did a God create them, or how did it all start?

Again, my personal opinion, this is the deeper mystery than just UFOs. If they are hostile between each other, how many different races are there? And if any are benevolent towards us, then we could learn these deeper answers dealing with consciousness, like what happens after death, how was the universe created? etc. Those questions are at the heart of the whole thing, and a much old civilization willing to share knowledge with us, would help us understand them.

What TDL talks about reminds me of the Enri and Enki stories, and they have been around a long time. While extremely fascinating, one really needs proof of it to take it seriously, because it is so far out there.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: Chronic_Blaze

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: mirageman
HE SAYING THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THE ALIENS ARE HERE AND THEY ARE DANGEROUS.


He is saying "someone" in an official capacity "told" him something. The question is, was he shown any proof of these claims? It sounds like he just takes this guys word as truth. If Tom has read up about all this stuff, I assume he has from what he's been talking about, I'd like to know why he would blindly accept what any of these guys say as truth.

And like you said before, Zondo is talking about this stuff completely different. Zondo talks about not wanting the tech to fall into enemy hands, when TDL says or enemies already have the tech, and "the others" have crashed tech on purpose to give it to them.

If what Tom said was true (A GIANT IF), I would think that would unite the world towards a common goal, regardless of the implications of religions falling apart. I personally believe it wouldn't destroy religion altogether, but force humanity into asking deeper questions about it. IE. If they are gods, did a God create them, or how did it all start?

Again, my personal opinion, this is the deeper mystery than just UFOs. If they are hostile between each other, how many different races are there? And if any are benevolent towards us, then we could learn these deeper answers dealing with consciousness, like what happens after death, how was the universe created? etc. Those questions are at the heart of the whole thing, and a much old civilization willing to share knowledge with us, would help us understand them.

What TDL talks about reminds me of the Enri and Enki stories, and they have been around a long time. While extremely fascinating, one really needs proof of it to take it seriously, because it is so far out there.


Not as far out as Alien Interview though!



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: justwokeup

So if their sure about what is happening, and according to that video they are, then why this TTSA business enterprise and all this going around and trying to test alien material?

And what does all that intrigue TDL was talking about have to do with TTSA and their warp drive and gravity propulsion obsession?

I think none of it is consistent; it’s very inconsistent, IMO.

Of course, maybe it has to do with Delonge’s attempt to, as he says, make the MIC look good.


Delonges been fed a story and he's built a media company to push it. I think he believes it, which does not mean it's true. Levendas a hired researcher. The AATIP stuff supports it (focus on threat in every speech Elizondo gives) but in such a way it's not closely coupled too the woo, so they can throw Delonge under the bus as a loon at any point.

With the rest of it I think its part effort to show harm to support the threat (hence all the biologists /medics) and part secrecy laundering (aerospace).



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: LeighAnne

Fantastic stories require fantastic proof. I understand why many want to believe it, hope, and it's alluring, but I can't get on board without some compelling evidence.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: Chronic_Blaze

You make good points; Tom is espousing a theory Knapp brought up, that is the William Bramley book Gods of Eden where the aliens are playing chess and war games with the human race.

That is in line with what Greer says Delonge is doing, precipitating an alien/human war or FAKE false flag war.

Btw, I don’t believe him and think it is disinformation.

Though I don’t necessarily buy Steven Greer’s theories either, but he’s closer to the truth than Delonge and his crew


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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

I think you answered it best yourself, but didn't realize it.

We don't even know what UFOs are. That's the only question that should be on the table right now. Until we know that, talk about aliens and intergalactic wars makes UFOlogy look insane. That's why its not taken seriously. It's why mainstream science and academics stays so far away, they want nothing to do with speculation and fantasy. And until we can solve the first question, that's all anything else is, just fantasy.


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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: LeighAnne

Click the envelope icon at the top right of your screen



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: LeighAnne
a reply to: Willtell

I find your use of foul language appalling nd have reported it to the Moderation Team.

I realize this is a Boy's Club thingy but it is being insensitive, sexist and unwarranted. Please refrain from further abuse in the future.



I apologize if you were offended. That's not my usual language, I was trying to get a point across.


OK, then, nut I confess to being APPALLED at how grown men make sordid fun of Tom et al Company week after week and think that the use of foul language is kool or something.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 01:29 PM
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a reply to: Chronic_Blaze

TY but it doesn't work yet, later!



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: Chronic_Blaze

But don’t you see, the government practically started that disinformation through Bennewitz and Bill Moore, now their doing a new meme(s) having to do with warp drives, super propulsion and alien wars with humans.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 01:41 PM
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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: LeighAnne

I believe that TDL is sincere and honest but far too naive. He asked the MIC for advisors, he was provided with these advisors. Listening to that interview section again with knapp , he said the person who did this had many phds and experience in this phenomena. That sounds like putoff to me..

The issue LeighAnne that most here and within ufology have is that the MIC has openly admitted to spreading disinformation before about this very subject to conceal USAPS. Also the main staypoints within ufology like Roswell for example, the cause of the incident was changed no less than three times by the government in theory public investigations.

There is little regard for the government in most circles in normal life due to corruption etc, in ufology that has the dial turned way up.

The issue is that TDL is surrounded by the MIC, including Luis Elizondo who was in a previous life a cointelpro officer, that is something that, yes is out there but concerning all the same.

Looking at another way, if what is presented is correct and the truth, then they are the perfect people for this project of "disclosure".

But thats a big if....it's in thier hands and realm to prove themselves right..

You could say they have provided evidence already, funny we used to say on ATS many years ago, "pics or video or it didn't happen" when people arrived with fantastic claims on the forums. But we have to examine what the evidence shows and what the truth about them is.

It's difficult to keep an open mind sometimes, particularly on this topic.....



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: Chronic_Blaze

Good shout blaze...people forget the most important letter U.nidentified.

As the old saying goes, if all you have is a hammer everything in your world will look like a nail..


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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Oh,I see it all to well.

Proceed with caution around all involved



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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I don’t see how folks can’t see the clear correspondence of Bennewitz and Moore and now TDL and Levenda.

Of course, there is a difference. Bennewitz was allegedly causing a direct problem in that he was encroaching on a secret aerial operation, therefore, had to be dealt with a little harshly, to say the least.

Here is a very naïve or willing dupe in TDL who comes on these sinister MIC operatives and IC people like their monks or saints and claims: I want to help you

Good grief what kind of dude is this guy?

So, of course, they handle him better than they handled Bennewitz.

But the scenario comes out to be the same.

Creation of a disinformation dispenser


Now, they don’t really have to do this since they already have the UFO community under control through Bigelow.

But, just as the gift of Bennewitz came upon them so has now TDL…

And as the saying goes:

Never look a gift horse in the mouth


Or in this case, never kick a horses ass in the mouth when you got em by the balls



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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 02:18 PM
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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Will, this is what you say.

" Never kick a horses bottom in the mouth when you have got them by the goolies".



Now back to all things Tom and co.





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