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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 04:48 AM
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 05:20 AM
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 05:41 AM
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a reply to: Baablacksheep

Thankyou



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 05:44 AM
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a reply to: Whatsthisthen

You welcome.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 07:52 AM
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originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

I agree. So WHAT was Mr Bige's ultimate goal? Hardly money, so most likely his life-long hope to confirm an alien presence on Earth? That's it, despite dodgy methods getting there.

That obsession is now apparently sated if his media announcements last year are to be believed at all. Via the ranch or NIDS' wider research, or BAASS's - who knows, but he sure ain't shy about putting his arse on the line, and more outspokenly SPECIFIC about UFOs/UAPs than Blondo Zondo's own word salad.


Yeh I am certain his interest in all things spooky was genuine. But ever wondered how he got so rich so quick in Vegas? You need connections. Notice that when the DoD won't hand money to the Hoff, the Colonel and the Doc then they got it off Bigelow to pursue their 'unusual' interests. I think that circle is now somewhat broken. Bigelow has decided to go into outer space but ironically wants to distance himself from aliens.



I wager Curious George will become Furious George if he does come to realise he's being played.


He's been neck deep for 30 years with these characters. He knows what is what. He was grooming TDL long before TTSA was set up and took him under his wing. Jerry KLC is under the other wing. Although there is no direct link between them both sometimes you strain your neck, sniff your armpit and realize that something doesn't smell right. Mo matter how well you've thought you'd played the game.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 08:17 AM
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Here’s just a few of the problems we’ve seen with TTSA. It is not a company dedicated to studying UFOs and bringing disclosure by any stretch despite the campaign to give the appearance of such.


□ We learned about the Pentagon’s AATIP in the New York Times where it is claimed It was released by the Defense Department's Advanced (Aerospace or Aviation) Threat Identification Program.


“For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials...”

But did it really? Those DoD officials are not named other than our friend Zondo. Once handed his $22m kitty, was it more that Bigelow and Elizondo saw themselves as “UFO Hunters” inspired by the popular TV series of the times. Was AATIP really about predicting future threats and big boys imagination took hold of them a little too much?

□ We were also told by the DoD

“After a while the consensus was we really couldn’t find anything of substance. They produced reams of paperwork. After all of that there was really nothing there that we could find. It all pretty much dissolved from that reason alone—and the interest level was losing steam. We only did it a couple years....”
Source


□ Zondo did not write his scathing retirement (or was it resignation?) letter for another 5 years after funding stopped. Given that FOIA requests have said there is no record if it. Did he even send it at all? Why did he stay 5 years then leave just as TTSA are getting up and running? Hmmm.

□ The Nimitz UFO story was already out there in the public domain 2015 TTSA did not have anything to do with getting the story out there : fightersweep.com...

□ The 3 FLIR videos that have been released (all nicely emblazoned with TTS & AAS logos) are claimed to be from the DoD. But the DoD will not confirm whether the videos were even classified never mind de-classified and deny they have released any videos related to AATIP. At the end of the day what did they even show anyway? Spaceships from Atlantis?

□ The documents released have no provenance, no official markings and do not even say who they were for or who created them. There is no confirmation these are ‘official’. They also seem to have been handed to George Knapp, a journalist who has connections with Bigelow, Reid, Tom DeLonge and TTSA, and the only media person TTSA want to deal with for more than soundbites. Hmmm...

□ AATIP’s name has been confirmed as “AVIATION” vs. “Aerospace” by a Pentagon Major A. Harris. Yet Zondo still claims it was “Aerospace” now he’s retired from the DoD. Who is more likely to get away with lying in this case? A Pentagon Major or a Youtube ‘reality video actor’ who dyes his beard?

□ Harry Reid is a Nevada Senator. He claims the $22m contract was awarded to the best bidder. Bob Bigelow is known to have donated money to Harry Reid’s political campaign being a Nevada resident. The contract terms could well have been worded so only Bigelow had the necessary expertise and facilities required to win the contract. A nice little payback and back scratch for his support over the years from the good Senator (or is he good?).

□ The NYT article also told us:

Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena...


This was a decade ago wasn’t it? Why then are TTSA scouring the country, suffering missing time and sending bits of metal to their former $cientologist egg tester and Vice President’s other company for testing? Don’t they have anything they can tell us about the samples stored at Bigelow’s warehouse or was it Skinwalker Ranch? Is this is a nice little earner for the Hoff and Big Derek? Or is there something more to this episode? Hmmm......


Coming Soon...The Hoff in 'Greer - Unpleasant Danger'




edit on 10/9/2018 by mirageman because: ...



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: The GUT

Frank Camper? People take him seriously?
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Really. Some people will believe in anything or anybody.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 10:01 AM
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^^ Excellent write up as always MM.

edit on SepMon, 10 Sep 2018 10:01:37 -0500R0000003737America/ChicagoMondayMonday by MrRussell because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: snaplink
Well, after doing a little reading about Camper, and watching old videos of his training school, I gotta say that my at the time young impressions of him are wrong. He's full of it. Interesting how perceptions change over time. Sorry for the thread derail.


Completely. Full of it. Can't agree more (just don't tell The Gut). ooops.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman

But ever wondered how he got so rich so quick in Vegas? You need connections.


Well, Daddy Bigelow was the connection. Armed with a business degree in the early-70s, his Dad in Vegas helped him develop, buy and sell apartments until in 1988 he founded 'Budget Suites Of America' which long-rented affordable space to the salivating Vegas masses, now numbering 18 outlets in three States, ie a bloody net fortune.

Forbes



Bigelow has decided to go into outer space but ironically wants to distance himself from aliens



Time to whip out the turpentine?





And replace it with something more pseudo-blondo?






Exotic dye materials inside!







edit on 10-9-2018 by ConfusedBrit because: clean-up

edit on 10-9-2018 by ConfusedBrit because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
Here’s just a few of the problems we’ve seen with TTSA. It is not a company dedicated to studying UFOs and bringing disclosure by any stretch despite the campaign to give the appearance of such.


Correct. Mission Statement...

"To The Stars Academy strives to be a powerful vehicle for change by creating a consortium among science, aerospace and entertainment that will work collectively to allow gifted researchers the freedom to explore exotic science and technologies with the infrastructure and resources to rapidly transition them to products that can change the world..."

NB: Consortium. And that is what they are fast becoming.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

Imagine if that could be achieved?



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Arouet

Imagine if that could be achieved?



Yes, best to them!



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

The quote confirms what mm said, it doesn’t debunk it.

Where in that quote speaks anything about UFOs or disclosure?



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 04:26 PM
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WHAT is probably the truth is that TTSA or its creators know that the Government has failed in the past to find out any objective information about the “phenomenon” as they call it, therefore why even bother. So they concocted instead this supposed high tech organization and a Stars Wars Glee club type organization (entertainment).

There may be nothing to expose or disclose since the government knows nothing.

I’m sorry to say this because there are many sincere people who are or were excited about TTSA and I’m afraid I think their being deceived

What people wanted was an organization with a genuine connection to the government that would indeed reveal or disclose what the government really knew about UFOS

Nobody wanted all this FAKE technology BS.

They need to quit or start over and this time tell the truth



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Arouet

The quote confirms what mm said, it doesn’t debunk it.

Where in that quote speaks anything about UFOs or disclosure?


huh? It doesn't. That's the point MM was, with no great surprise here, wrong again.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

You know, with all due respect, you’re starting to remind me of Trump



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Arouet

You know, with all due respect, you’re starting to remind me of Trump


WADR, your Trumpism skews your head.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
WHAT is probably the truth is that TTSA or its creators know that the Government has failed in the past to find out any objective information about the “phenomenon” as they call it, therefore why even bother. So they concocted instead this supposed high tech organization and a Stars Wars Glee club type organization (entertainment).

There may be nothing to expose or disclose since the government knows nothing.

I’m sorry to say this because there are many sincere people who are or were excited about TTSA and I’m afraid I think their being deceived


All these professionals in the field, all of them, deceived...

Team

...but you have got it figured out. What's the chances?

lol



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 04:43 PM
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Would an honest person attach themselves to an organization that is being disingenuous regarding their intent?
If not dishonest then they're being mercenary

And since when do “professionals” have any kind of inherent virtue?

Not figured out, just have on opinion



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