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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 12:19 PM
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A few points:

Yes the physics is still beyond us: we've never been able to produce a material that measurably loses mass.
In recent years we've achieved the ability to arrange individual atoms (as we've heard described regarding the exotic photonic metamaterial that they've been talking about). But we've only been able to do so one atom at a time, manually. I doubt that we have the capability to create bulk material with precise atomic ordering, yet. However, if TTSA can demonstrate that this material does represent a genuine new gravitational field technology, industry will race to achieve the requisite production capability, because the potential rewards are vast.

Again assuming that TTSA has a sample of exotic metamaterial that loses mass under activation with THz radiation, then it's the key to a unified field theory. Because a quantum material that creates gravitational changes represents an embodiment of a unified field theory, by definition. So I would expect such a thing to lead to a radical leap forward in theoretical physics. But that's also why I have so much trouble believing that they're actually in possession of a material that exhibits such a unique and deeply significant effect - it's intelligence value would be incalculable.

The military is notorious for withholding everything of any intelligence value - so why would that policy suddenly change?




posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Because it's the modern day "Genesis" of UFOlogy bass..

Rendlesham was the "new testament" and TTSA is the second coming and revelations all in one tight package, all we need is Tom in a toga surrounded by his theosophical interested disciples and bingo..

Ufo cult 2.0

How did you not know that



Tom in a toga😂 I need anxiety meds.





Do you not recall?
Who is holding onto a musical instrument in the picture. That's called a lyre. But these boys are really after your lute.


I think I have a memory problem



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

I am sure I saw the exact same post a few posts back???






posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 01:21 PM
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You’re spot on about the mentality that results in crazy paranormal/nonsensical/alternative explanations of the AAV phenomenon. They think that it must be wrong because we don’t have incontrovertible proof of the ETH after 70 years. But then they dismiss the real reasons why we don’t have proof after 70 years, which break down into two basic categories:

1.) There’s never been a proper scientific investigation of this phenomenon, in the public sector. Project Blue Book and the awful Condon Report, were whitewashes, not scientific investigations.

2.) The cover-up. The government, and specifically the military, has all of the evidence, and until very recently, they haven’t shared any of it. They have the photos, the radar tracking data, film and video footage, probably a slew of scientific readings from the special jets they had outfitted to collect data on these things. And apparently, they have downed craft. Obviously with the military hoarding all of the proof, the public can’t form a rational consensus on the subject.

So it’s actually crystal clear why we haven’t made progress on this subject. It’s impossible to make any significant progress in any area of interest when there’s no actual scientific study going on, and when your own government engages in a massive cover-up of all the credible data they have.



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

Terahertz radiation makes it so superconductors can operate at closer to room temperature. Its not some magical anti mass effect. People have know what terahertz radiation does in Josephson junctions for a while. Its all the talk in plasmonics and metamaterials industry and its not classified. It is a big deal though. Do you know how much easier and useful it is to use a superconductor if you don't have to lug around equipment and rigs that supercool the medium.

Another thing to think about. The usage of the term photonic metamaterials. Most metamaterials are "photonic" in the sense that they convert one wavelength of light such as microwave to things like other wavelengths of light. Electricity and heat even. Non linear optics stuff like that.

Funny how all this TTSA stuff isn't classified and out in the open. Just that you have to be into that kinda thing to know about it. Its almost as if they're banking their hype on their fanbases ignorance. No that couldn't be.

To me its a tacit signal that those overly excited about TTSA s hype fall into that ignorant demographic.
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posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: MrRussell

It boggles my mind that anyone could say this. He was the reason we learned about the AATIP. And the former director of that program has been appearing all over the media since December of last year to talk about it. And the pilots and radar operators in the Nimitz CSG case have been publicly sharing their amazing experiences. And for the first time in history, FLIR clips of actual military incidents apparently involving AAVs, have been released to the public. And suddenly, by virtue of all these developments, the MSM isn’t flippantly chuckling about the ridiculousness of this subject – which is another first, a dramatic sea change from the ridicule that AAV witnesses like me have endured throughout our lives.

How anyone can dismiss all of this as insufficiently “big” is completely beyond me. I never thought that any of these developments would happen in my lifetime. So my response isn’t cynicism; it’s gratitude.



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: BaablacksheepI think I have a memory problem


It would be more of an parallel reality - mobile consciousness issue...since time is illusory.



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 06:38 PM
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Point 1: we know that there aren’t any macroscopic higher dimensions than the 4D spacetime that we observe, otherwise, a three-legged table would fall over. Since that doesn’t happen, there are no macroscopic higher dimensions.

Point 2: Analyses of the Kepler mission findings have revealed that the average age of habitable Earth-like worlds in our galaxy (and most others, we can presume) is 1-3 billion years older than the Earth. So if you think that an encounter with an alien civilization that’s 1-3 billion years ahead of our civilization wouldn’t be “highly strange,” then I think you’re demonstrating a dearth of understanding. Imagine if we could go back in time and make contact with a human being 10,000 years in our own past. Then that human goes back and describes the experience to the tribe. They’d certainly find the whole tale “highly strange.” Now multiply that strangeness by 100,000. That’s the level of strange that we’re dealing with, if we’re dealing with civilizations that are 1,000,000,000 years ahead of us.
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posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 06:47 PM
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Another strange Zondo observation is from the recent MUFON Symposium. He claimed he wasn't old and clutched his beard claiming it was blonde not grey.

Who is he trying to kid?


Zondo in 2009 with noticeably dark beard


New TTSA product - "Just for Lue" coming soon?

What's the deal here with the now blonded facial brush on the almighty Zondo?

Is this the effect of Terror Hairs radiation during lost time? Has it lost some mass since? Maybe he can't tell us? In fact he can't because of security oaths and clearances that he believes he still has despite resigning from the military. It's genius and we all missed it. It's a very visual , but subtle metaphorical clue that he is moving something from the black world into the white world via the artistic medium of the changing colour of his beard. This is confirms all my suspicions. I'm astounded how no one picked up on this before!






posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: Arouet


What's the point of this post. How does it further ttsa position or is it a hail Mary at this point.

Also if you want to hear from somebody who DOES understand physics. Pay attention to Arbitrageur's posts.
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posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 07:32 PM
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Just started listening to the new Mysterious Universe podcast with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp. I'm maybe 15 min in. Right away Jeremy makes some very interesting statements.

Among other things, he says... Skinwalker Ranch and the NYT articles about UAPs are related

He then says the New York Times only told half the truth in the articles from Dec 2017 about UAP's. He says there were actually two government programs studying UFOs and other phenomena. Not just AATIP..

Extremely interesting so far.


mysteriousuniverse.org...



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posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: Arouet
a reply to: MrRussell
It boggles my mind that anyone could say this.
Your mind must be small or you haven't noticed that we've been here before.


He was the reason we learned about the AATIP.

Why was TDL given this? Why now?


And the former director of that program has been appearing all over the media since December of last year to talk about it.

False statement.


And the pilots and radar operators in the Nimitz CSG case have been publicly sharing their amazing experiences.

Why and how do you think that is?


And for the first time in history, FLIR clips of actual military incidents apparently involving AAVs, have been released to the public.

False statement.


And suddenly, by virtue of all these developments, the MSM isn’t flippantly chuckling about the ridiculousness of this subject – which is another first, ...

I agree. But then why were all the MSM publications involved given this at the same time? Do you not recognize staged timing? I assume they were told publish this and don't laugh.


How anyone can dismiss all of this as insufficiently “big” is completely beyond me.

Because at the moment it isn't that big at all. Why has the public not reacted in a big way?


I never thought that any of these developments would happen in my lifetime. So my response isn’t cynicism; it’s gratitude.

I'm cynical because this has been promised before and the ******* haven't delivered nor has TTSA.
I'll be grateful when they start telling the whole truth, stop playing with the public's lute and stop poncing around like a circus act. [cue MM's image of Zondo as Special Forces/ET clown; or did I miss that one?]
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posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR

originally posted by: Arouet


What's the point of this post.


Which post? You screwed up the Reply. Just like this Reply.
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posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 07:50 PM
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originally posted by: Zadiel74
Just started listening to the new Mysterious Universe podcast with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp. I'm maybe 15 min in. Right away Jeremy makes some very interesting statements. Among other things, he says... Skinwalker Ranch and the NYT articles about UAPs are related.

He then says the New York Times only told half the truth in the articles from Dec 2017 about UAP's. He says there were actually two government programs studying UFOs and other phenomena. Not just AATIP..Extremely interesting so far. mysteriousuniverse.org...


That was interesting, thanx for the heads-up.



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: MrRussell

I have problems with the many assumptions built into these silly arguments, starting with: why do you think that these airship reports have any relation to the AAV phenomenon? Let's say for the sake of argument, that they actually happened and weren't hoaxes. We had the technological capability to actually build airships at that time, so maybe somebody did. They could've been military projects, or the work some imaginative inventor with a wealthy patron who may have thought that airship travel would be a profitable business to get into.

But I see no rational reason to connect the two phenomena. If the airships were real, they certainly didn't defy the known laws of physics at the time - in fact hot air lift was well-known and proven at the time. AAVs on the other hand completely defied our understanding of physics. For the first 50 years, the scientific consensus was that the kinds of maneuvers being reported were physically impossible, and that antigravity was a laughable concept. Only in the last 20 years has that begun to change, slightly. But even now, most physicists think that it will take many millennia before humans will be able to actually build such a device - if it's possible at all. So whereas airship technology was viable and well-known at the time (which points to a human source, imo), AAVs are clearly far beyond even our present theoretical understanding - nobody can sit down and design such a thing because the gulf between the theory and any actual implementation is far beyond our understanding.

But what we do know is that the type of performance exhibited by these devices conforms perfectly to the basic characteristics of gravitational field propulsion, which is the one theoretically viable approach to superluminal spaceflight. Which means that these devices could be arriving here from interstellar sources in an arbitrarily short transit time.

And furthermore, the variety of craft that have been reported span a dizzying range of shapes and sizes and capabilities. Beyond our imagining, I would argue. Craft like we've heard about in the Rendlesham case, for example, that can apparently morph between a glowing plasma that can break up into several independent flying parts and then converge to form a solid conical metal shape with landing gear - who ordered that? Some are long cylinders without any rocket exhaust, others are flat circular discs, some are domed discs, still others are sleek black triangles, and some are egg-shaped or orbs with prismatic shifting colors. And the recent Tic-Tac ufo case is yet another new one on me. I certainly wouldn't have expected this dizzying variety of configurations, and I'm a very imaginative guy. So whose expectations are these things conforming to? Because they're not conforming to my expectations.

Other examples cited in favor of the cultural tracking hypothesis are ancient sighting reports from Medieval and ancient times - "chariots in the sky" kind of sightings. But do people seriously believe that witnesses were reporting horse-drawn chariots flying through the sky? It seems clear to me that the language used to describe exotic objects in the sky, simply reflects the limited knowledge of that cultural context. So if some ancient Greek fisherman saw a glowing object darting around the sky, the only words that he has to describe what he saw would be familiar terms. So "a glowing metallic disc exhibiting gravitational field performance characteristics at Mach 10" in modern parlance, would be "a strange chariot that glowed like the Sun as it crossed the heavens" in the parlance of an ancient Greek.



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

Classic post, MM.



If there's one thing TTSA lacks more than anything - despite Zondo's fashion consultant - it's a sense of humour.

Zondo lying about his natural beard colour was - I hope - an example of Humour, rather than him having a complex!



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR

This is what happens when people don’t understand physics. The rocket principle is grossly inadequate for interstellar spaceflight. This is an empirical fact. So expecting UFOs to look like rocket ships betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the physics of interstellar spaceflight.

In fact, the characteristics that we do observe for these craft – with astonishing regularity – such as silent hovering and dramatic accelerations, point decisively to a form of gravitational field propulsion that we only understand in theory, but can’t yet produce technologically.

That actually points to an ETH explanation. These craft were exhibiting these flight characteristics long before we even had a theoretical understanding of gravitational field propulsion. And actually, until about 20 years ago, the consensus was that such a thing would be impossible. But eventually theoretical physics advanced, and we now have a basic understanding of how it works. So this represents a valid scientific prediction of the ETH which was subsequently confirmed. So in my view the extraterrestrial hypothesis should be elevated from a hypothesis to a viable scientific theory, because it is.

The interdimensional hypothesis, by comparison:

- violates the known laws of physics
- provides no insight into the origin or the nature of the phenomenon, and
- simply substitutes one unknown (UFO sightings) for an even more bizarre unknown (interdimensional beings)

It's also fairly easily falsifiable: once we scientifically analyze a single sample recovered from an alien device, which exhibits a manufacturing capability and/or physical properties beyond our current technology, the interdimensional hypothesis will be dumped into the waste bin of bad ideas, where it belongs.



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: Arouet
a reply to: MrRussell

[Completely unrelated word salad that didn't address any of my points/questions]


Classic troll move, plus thread flooding.

Now we know who you are.



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

Where did I mention rockets? Reading comprehension its not just for kids trying to pass their SATs

If you think real hard you'll see they don't actually point decisively towards gravity field propulsion. But to do that you probably actually have to have more than a superficial understanding of physics. Do actual research. That sorta thing.

As for why all the strange shapes and visual artifacts of "UFOs". That's easily explained and understandable if you actually have a clue how they work.

Interestingly as much as you ride Eric davis's nuts I wonder if you actually understand anything he's written. You have all the hallmarks of a troll like fanatic who parrots his idols blindly. I can appreciate your enthusiasm though.

I do agree with you though on one thing. the IDH is crap.



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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If you understand so much then explain to us what's with the glow. If its plasma how does that help the UFO fly. How's it going to make plasma in the vacuum of space. Could other things cause glowing. Or silvery metallic like appearances?
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