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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: ctj83

The flagrant ignorance of the wannabe debunker crowd is simply astounding.

The possibility of negative mass and its stunning gravitational field propulsion implications have been featured in the mainstream academic literature for over 60 years. And today, neither the cosmic acceleration attributed to “dark energy” nor the pivotal cosmic inflation era of the Big Bang can be explained without negative gravitation, which is the key requisite component for a gravitational field propulsion mechanism.

And gravitational field propulsion is also the only known physically viable explanation for the behavior of anomalous aerial devices.

And yet these folks are still going around yapping about the “absurdity” of negative gravitation, aka antigravity, like trained parrots – apparently having refused to actually study the subject for five minutes.

My position on this subject is backed up by a litany of credible peer-reviewed academic papers published in reputable physics journals.




posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

So, what is the bottom line.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

Right, now as I mentioned I’d consider myself agnostic. And you bring up some intertwining points!

I’d be interested if you could sight some of what you mention here. For further reading.

In particularly, do you have anything on sub molecular responses to emissions of very high hertz terohertz waves?

Alternatively, if you don’t consider any of that range interesting, do you consider Putoff on the wrong track?



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

Glad that you agree that TTSA's intervention is not really about UFOs at all. But its about forcing information out from the black world so they can use it themselves. This is why they are doing experiments on supposed metamaterials. We were already told they had these in a warehouse in Vegas or was it Skinwalker Ranch? But then suddenly they are collecting them and poor Zondo is flying all over America (without a change of clothes) and then having to drive to Texas.

All so they can repeat the experiments already done in secret and use the results they already have...



Then in come the neuroscientists and the biologists to work on the 'other' stuff.
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posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

They look like they're exploiting gravitational field propulsion. They're not. Not at all. I could explain what they're really doing but why bother at this point.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Arouet

They look like they're exploiting gravitational field propulsion. They're not. Not at all. I could explain what they're really doing but why bother at this point.


Anyone opposed to the notion of gravitational field propulsion who can’t provide a similarly comprehensive citation list to refute these respected and provocative peer-reviewed academic physics papers (and nobody can because that body of literature doesn’t exist – all attempts to discredit the notion of negative gravitation have been overturned both theoretically and observationally at this point), should probably spend more time studying and less time exposing their staggering ignorance of this subject.

In fact at this point it's safe to say that negative gravitation is and always has been a fundamental feature of physical law within our universe, and listening to boisterously unenlightened people like Realm is the reason why we were caught off guard by the dark energy observations in the first place. We should have been expecting to find it, because it's not prohibited by our astonishingly successful general theory of relativity, and as pioneering Nobel laureate physicist Murray Gell-Mann loved to say: "Everything not forbidden is compulsory."



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Arouet

So, what is the bottom line.


We are not alone, never have been alone and never will be alone.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Arouet

Glad that you agree that TTSA's intervention is not really about UFOs at all. [/pic]


Appeal to an Untruth. False proposition.
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posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

Closer to the bullseye than ya think lad!



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

Looks like Putoffs on the wrong track with T waves then!



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 05:49 PM
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originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: Arouet

Right, now as I mentioned I’d consider myself agnostic. And you bring up some intertwining points! I’d be interested if you could sight some of what you mention here. For further reading. In particularly, do you have anything on sub molecular responses to emissions of very high hertz terohertz waves?


Not now.


Alternatively, if you don’t consider any of that range interesting, do you consider Putoff on the wrong track?

These people are highly credible, highly skilled. There are many professors, MDs and PhDs that are involved and they do want to look at, are willing to look at; they're not all proponents. Some are true skeptics, but are willing to look at the data ala Hal Puthoff.

Dr. Puthoff helped create the CIA's Remote Viewing Program, but for this event, he'll focus on the Pentagon's UFO studies and I for one will be listening.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 07:30 PM
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So sure you are. Things you know not of. Young padawan.

You're talking to a guy who actually does know how they work. You're not going to find the answers on the net for this one or in your keyboard research on da webz.

You can believe what you want, but I'm tossing you a bone when I tell you they aren't using gravitional field propulsion. You know what's never been proven. The idea that "UFOs" use gravitational field propulsion or any firm of anti gravity. Lots of ways to skin a cat (UFO propulsion)and gravity manipulation isn't the one they're using.

Here's a fact for you. With your narrow mindset you'll never figure it out.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: ctj83

Putoffs on the wrong track. Or maybe his job is to put the believers on the wrong track. You know that whole shady side he's been known for half his career..



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: Arouet

Other than terahertz radiation is useful in Josephine style links in modern superconductors. Nothing will come from their propounding on that subject.

You know what's fun watching jack sarfatti email dialogue between puttoff and himself. I'm not a fan of jack but hal doesn't fare well.
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posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:21 PM
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Steven Greer’s another researcher who actually spreads the idea that the deep state can “take ET home”

Yeah, that’s if ET lives under the earth!

I tell you; my belief is that they are trying to misinform us that the government is equal to ET.

Another disinformation plot may be the very idea of alien accidents and that they can shoot UFOs down.

Ironically, Greer, who although I don't accuse of being a dis-info agent, does nevertheless seem to spread it.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Arouet

So sure you are. Things you know not of. Young padawan.


So you dismiss the entire field of theoretical physics including the prestigious journal Physical Review D as "newfangled book learnin' that darn't mean nuthin'." Good to know. Lol.

And I didn't "distort" the facts; I actually provided them for anyone to see. Which is whole lot more than you've done, blustering and blithering away all full of hot vapid bravado without offering a single citation to support your position. A person's position isn't "akin to a religious belief OmGzor!" when they're backed up by mainstream peer-reviewed academic physics papers.

Yours is the baseless and blindly ignorant belief system that flies in the face of science and reason, and I proved it. You lose.

Thanks for playing.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 09:23 PM
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So instead of the UFO community arguing over whether aliens are eating children in caves now the big distraction is whether the breakaway civilization has mastered field propulsion, particularly antigravity.

This is what I call the new disinformation distraction

Invoking science fiction in the alien UFO conversation with fantastic ideas coming from the Ufologists, Richard Dolan, Greer and others in their making the IC and deep state so secretly powerful...even more powerful than the aliens, wow.

It seems UFOlogy may have become like the old communist party where 7 out of 10 members were FBI agents!

Most if not all of the UFOLogist just may be IC connected and controlled.

The primary proof, besides the members themselves, that TTSA is a government controlled disinformation psyop is the fact that the MSM supported they're coming out.




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posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 09:25 PM
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Because "UFOs" don't use gravitational propulsion it means im dismissing entire fields of physics I know more about than you do. Hardly. I don't dismiss anything other than the unsubstantiated premise that UFOs use gravitational propulsion schemes.

Not sure what you think you've proven other than limited research skills on your behalf. And, You've won a contest of showing your intellectual shortcomings that's for sure.

Look I know that you really really want to believe the position you have concerning your UFO, ttsa, whatever beliefs. But you might want to widen your perspective and scope of things. You may find that you're limiting yourself and won't find the answers you're looking for that way.

Out of curiosity are you that YouTube delonge nutrider UFO Jesus looking guy. You act just like him and make a lot of the same logical fallicies he does. The resemblance is uncanny.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 10:13 PM
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I've already unambiguously stated in several posts here - that you've read, that I see little to no scientific/intelligence value to the extremely brief, derezzed, and uncompelling video clips that the DoD has deigned to share with us lowly plebes out here in the public sector.

But the pilot testimony in the Nimitz case and countless other sighting events, including my own, clearly include the key performance characteristics of a gravitational field propulsion system:

1.) silent hovering with no atmospheric turbulence

2.) dramatic accelerations that appear to defy inertia with no indication of reaction mass-energy / propellant

3.) hypersonic motion without a sonic boom

4.) transmedium travel between space/atmosphere/water

Offer an alternative theory of operation that predicts these four signature performance capabilities commonly associated with anomalous aerial device sightings. You can't, because it doesn't exist. Gravitational field propulsion is the only viable and theoretically well-established motive principle known to physics that predicts all four. That makes it our only credible working hypothesis to explain the operation of these objects.

So I've got a viable working hypothesis backed up by dozens of peer-reviewed academic papers written by many of the most brilliant minds in the history of physics, and you've got nothing. Except disdain, and tired old rhetorical attacks devoid of significance or substance.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 02:54 AM
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It appears the ufo riddle has been solved


I'm messaging Springer, we don't need ats anymore...it's done..lol




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