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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Arouet
Average disinformation is a known and admitted tactic of the Intelligence apparatus. It’s no longer a conspiracy theory after decades of known antics within and without Ufology.
originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Arouet
You have made multiple statements regarding what you believe, then contradicted yourself not long after.
It doesn't take much to see that you are quite an argumentative person, having a belief / confirmation bias is fine, we all have them. What we all need to do and not many do, is to examine your own bias, figure out how those conclusions came to be and what influenced them. More importantly, information you digest that assists you in forming your opinions, examine the origins and agendas of that information! Seems to be the trouble with most of world, people want to be spoon fed everything!
The manner in which you post, the language you use and what "appear" to be attacks on other posters is not how ATS works, we leave that to people that want to argue back and forth about politics on other parts of ATS.
We have discussions, present ideas and data, theories and other such things in a manner that is respectful of other people, even though we disagree, we learn more from each other by understanding their perspective, even if we still disagree after.
On these forums and this thread, there are skeptics, believers, non believers, atheists, religious folks, abductees and experiencers. We all get along, your recent posts do not speak well of your character and how you have presented yourself and your ideas.
As a result, people are a lot less likely to take note of anything you have to say, even if there is value in there it will become lost.
It seems you have been banned from other forums before, as I said its all about being respectful to other people and their posts etc. I think you have value to add to this thread and others, but I think you need to re-evaluate how you communicate.
originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Arouet
Soooo you agree that the govt is very good at disinfo operations....but don't see the irony of you yourself falling for the TTS disinfo op. Wow.
originally posted by: Arouet
originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Arouet
Average disinformation is a known and admitted tactic of the Intelligence apparatus. It’s no longer a conspiracy theory after decades of known antics within and without Ufology.
So lately I’ve been monitoring YouTube for updates about the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), because I want to hear what experts have to say about the ATFLIR footage we’ve seen, and see related news about it.
And about a month ago I noticed a sudden flood of new YouTube content with titles including keywords like “Pentagon” and “UFO” – except the content had nothing to do with the Pentagon's program; instead, the audio and video files were old UFO-related talks, documentaries, television specials, etc.
At first I figured that opportunistic jerks were just trying to generate clicks to earn Google AdSense cash. But today I took a closer look and discovered that brand new YouTube accounts with different usernames are posting irrelevant files that share the exact same titles, and even identical descriptions – and none of them are ad-enabled so these bogus videos aren’t generating ad income for anyone.
Therefore I’m forced to conclude that we’re seeing US counterintelligence deliberately contaminating the search engines to make relevant information about this program harder to find. Because I can see no other explanation for the facts at hand. If anyone has an alternate explanation, then please share it with us.
YouTube is now flooded with fake content that comes up when you search for “Pentagon ufo” – you’ll find all kinds of similar garbage being posted by new YouTube accounts in the search results:
pentagon ufo - YouTube
So I think it’s crystal clear from this evidence that somebody’s spending a lot of time and effort to muddy the waters, and to associate the Pentagon’s AATIP story with bogus nonsense (Planet X, Billy Meier, Moon landing conspiracy theories, etc). And although it galls me because it seems that our tax dollars are being spent to crap all over the internet and make relevant information harder to find, it also suggests that our intelligence agencies really want to bury this story – which only reinforces its significance, in my estimation.
This isn’t a new or uncommon tactic – it’s a form of astroturfing, which is now an online epidemic. Which is why I get suspicious when a big story like this breaks, and suddenly a bunch of new and previously inactive posters slither out of the woodwork to flood discussion threads with banal/negative/conspiracy comments – that’s just another form of the same strategy: it makes the relevant information harder to find, and it makes the threads so unappealing that casual readers give up on the subject entirely.
If you think my position here seems unduly suspicious, then I suggest that you have a look at this document which was leaked by Edward Snowden, which provides a sense of the sophistication and the breadth of government disinformation operations (PsyOps) which are now a routine feature of online communications:
originally posted by: Arouet
This kind of conspiracy theory rubbish actually makes me angry - there's no indication whatsoever that the AATIP story is a PsyOp, and the fact that this YouTube vlogger thinks that "counterintelligence" means "psychological warfare," when in fact PsyOps is only a tiny percentage of counterintelligence work, betrays his ignorance of the intelligence community. There are a lot of good people in the intelligence community, and my take on Elizondo is that he's one of them. And Luis Elizondo's boss wasn't John Brennan, it was Gen. Mattis - we've even seen a quote from Elizondo's resignation letter to Gen. Mattis. Besides, if this were a Deep State operation, we wouldn't be seeing all of these fake videos like the ones I've mentioned above flooding YouTube.
People looking for a government conspiracy are falling over themselves to turn this story into some kind of nefarious disinformation operation, but I have yet to see one credible piece of evidence to support these conspiracy theories that have popped up all over the internet. In fact this reminds me of the conspiracy theories that popped up around Banksy's terrific documentary about street art called Exit Through the Gift Shop, which probably cost him an Academy Award.
Cynical reviewers wanted so badly to "see through the deception" that they wrote a wave of articles casting suspicion on the whole project, but it was paranoid factless rubbish - the film was an accurate if somewhat humorous documentary of real historical events, not some elaborate prank on the public.
originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Arouet
Who said anything about money. I said disinfo op. Get it together now.
originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Arouet
this is getting tiring now....This is the last response I will be making to any of your posts unless there is anything of value or worth discussing, not that you dont have "some" valid points where discussing, you are not someone I wish to discuss them with.
Have a great day..
Pigsy