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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: CardDown




The big question is: Why was Congress discussing AATIP if the program shut down in 2012 as the Pentagon stated, because it was all over the news?


Could it have been the shockwave through the corridors of power after Luis Elizondo's damning resignation letter that triggered this?


The text is very sparse and as you say leaves us with a huge question.


Source : www.congress.gov... April 9th 2018

Let's hope that this time FOIA requests are successful in retrieving the letter and the list.




posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

Like a pom-pom girl asking for pimps to escort her to the prom.



Now THERE's a TDL visual metaphor I didn't need. ...thanks a lot Will...
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posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: Outrageo

originally posted by: Willtell

Like a pom-pom girl asking for pimps to escort her to the prom.



Now THERE's a TDL visual metaphor I didn't need. ...thanks a lot Will...


You know I’m just reading the book Project Beta and it convinces me all the Moore
(Pun intended) that this is a large volume Bennewitz caper with Intelligence agencies all over this group.

Were getting a massive disinformation program unleashed



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

Yeah, James Bond in a biker jacket, the perfect postmodern alien hunter who is too scientific to use the word alien

More like Bozo the clown

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posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Willtell

"Code 2! Willtell"

I liked the idea that Zondo leaves California on a jet plane for Columbus Ohio in the small hours and DeLonge whispers about the dangers of the mission. He flies across most of the USA and meets some faceless people who have had this 'piece' of a UAP since ?????

Well actually Frontier Analysis are based in Ohio.
You may recall the company name visible on this still from the Zondo video.

Frontier Analysis is listed at 17100 Wood Acre Trail, Chagrin Falls, OH 44023. It seems like a residential address rather than a laboratory.

The registered owner is Phyllis A. Budinger. Someone I recall that carried out a supposed analysis on soil from the Travis Walton case. Here's a reason to question the validity of her work from that thread.


originally posted by: CardDown
I stopped reading when I saw the study was conducted by Frontier Analysis. www.mufonohio.com...

In Phyllis Budinger's analysis of the metal (windmill part), a fragment from the alleged 1945 UFO crash, she determined that it was ordinary metal, but that:" The aliens may be time travelers. So if they are from Earth's future, their craft are 'Earth-made' and there would be no isotopic differences."
Frontier Analysis: Analysis of Two Metallic Parts Purportedly from a Crashed Unidentified Aerial Object (San Antonio, New Mexico August 16, 1945)


Now back to the excitement..........

So Zondo then drives all the way to Austin, Texas. Used UAP parts stored neatly in a lead lined container by his side. Over a thousand miles to get it safely to the Hoff. It nicely added to the drama and suspense. Would have been good if he'd have been chased down by mysterious dudes with no number plates through the deserted highways narrowly giving them slip as he screams "Code Red" into his Zondophone. Maybe that's coming though.....

I'd liked him to have worn a different T-shirt too. But that's against the rules.


Zondo is the Richard Doty of this new operation. This is an intelligence operation with timetables, and official propaganda line agenda they all must adhere to.

Bigelow is a part of the overall agenda of disinformation and control over the long haul so he's a member by proxy of this new disinformation enterprise.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Do you think it has anything to do with "SPACE FORCE"



We need a space force because we will be safer with true specialists who are completely focused on that important zone of operations. Combining the various service space bureaucracies into one branch would create a streamlined single point of focus, likely saving manpower and money. And space deserves its own strategy, especially given the competition from Russia and China.....

China and Russia have huge offensive cyber-capabilities. We've watched Russia use these tools in attacking Georgia in 2008 — which will go down in military history as the first nation attacked not only kinetically but simultaneously in cyber — and Ukraine, paralyzing part of the electric grid. Other nations, notably Iran and North Korea, also have significant offensive cyber capability. North Korea hacked Sony Pictures in 2014, an American corporation that made a film that mocked the dictator Kim Jong Un. Iran has made several forays against the U.S. in cyberspace, including attacks on utilities, and was behind the large-scale attack on Saudi Aramco in 2012, forcing the world's largest oil company to shut down its internal computer network.


Source : Chicago Tribune


And this



A mysterious Russian satellite displaying "very abnormal behaviour" has raised alarm in the US, according to a State Department official...

Space weapons may be designed to cause damage in more subtle ways than traditional weapons like guns, which could cause a lot of debris in orbit, explained Alexandra Stickings, a space security expert at the Royal United Services Institute.

"[Such weapons may include] lasers or microwave frequencies that could just stop [a satellite] working for a time, either disable it permanently without destroying it or disrupt it via jamming," she said.

But it was difficult to know what technology is available because so much information on space-based capabilities is classified...

Source : BBC



A plot to make money for DeLonge, Puthoff and Elizondo's differed [sic] pension too. But also to encourage American taxpayers that they need to hand over more money to their ilitary industrial complex.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

a reply to: Willtell




This TTSA may have "entertainment" written all over it, but that does not necessarily translate to "incompetent".

Those bio-tech business people on TTSA board should be taken as a serious indication of what they are about. Bigelow is not stupid, he is very rich and successfull. I would suggest that the people who studied skinwalker were successful too.

When the "authorities" visit to have a look at what you have, they are just checking to see how much you know. They don't care much beyond that even if they feign an interest. They know more then people think they do.

Nice to see you guys looking beyond hats and T-shirts.



I'll go back to to lurking . . . .



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 08:34 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

Yes, their getting greedy now. They not only want a successful disinformation operation like Project Beta reveals but now they want money too.

Capitalism always, one way ot the other



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Hell no their not stupid. Their evil as hell but not stupid.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Willtell

If you check out the video here it shows a document with analysis of material in 2015 from Bennie Foggin. It also mentions material from Rendlesham Forest. So why do they need to test it again at their own facilities?So they can fudge the results in their favour.


Was that a question without the ?



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: Willtell




Hell no their not stupid. Their evil as hell but not stupid.


I liked that Willtell, : )

Tell yer what, I wouldn't want to meet "Zondo" in a dark alley on my own.

Keep digging guys. Especially that Siera thing, I'm interested in what that is about.




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posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 08:56 PM
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I’m going to say one more thing I think is important.

TTSA and now practically every UFO organization of any merit is now controlled by the US intelligence apparatus.

UFOlogy has been polluted, co-opted, virtually destroyed as a serious search for truth on this matter.

MM is obviously a skeptic regarding UFOlogy, fine, no problem. His attacks on TTSA are related to that primarily. Mine, on the other hand, are based on the reality that this organization is just another psyop to control the narrative… to despoil UFOlogy, for whatever reason they have. And their very successful, since obviously there will NEVER be any legitimate investigation into UFOlogy.

They have temporal power they use to deceive and control, not to enlighten, or progress human consciousness or awareness; a dark and sinister approach to life, indeed. They’ll one day have to answer to God and he will give them what they deserve.

The end game is ignorance, keeping the people stupid, ignorant and unaware of reality.

You want truth regarding UFOlogy, then fine, seek it on your own and come to your own awareness but forget about any public or mass awareness.

Take the example of Bigelow, and seek, find, and be quiet.



One hope is this


“The secret protects itself”


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posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: CardDown
Roger Glassel discovered documentation of AATIP in the Congressional Record from early in 2018, a notice about a letter "transmitting a list of all products produced." There's nothing about UFOs or the Skinwalker Ranch mentioned, and we're left wondering just what AATIP was or is. The big question is: Why was Congress discussing AATIP if the program shut down in 2012 as the Pentagon stated, because it was all over the news?

The new article by Keith Basterfield:
Reference to the Advanced Aerospace Threat and Identification Program found in a 2018 issue of the US 'Congressional Record.'


Kudos to your team and Keith Basterfield as always.


"Emerging Threats & Capabilities." Excellent find all around but that particular topic comes up time and again with Dr's Green and Puthoff et al. Contracting mo$tly. Explains A LOT quite nicely too as to motives.

I look forward to adding to this train of thought when I have a minute.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 10:07 PM
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originally posted by: [post=23682753]Whatsthisthen[/post

Tell yer what, I wouldn't want to meet "Zondo" in a dark alley on my own.


Zondo does look like the type that might have done a lil' wet-work in the tropics lol. Actually, if I recall correctly, some of his assignments and titles suggests he at least did some kind of risky field work.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:00 AM
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Yeah, to a degree, visually someone I would cross the street to avoid, but I wonder if he got his hands actually really dirty. He doesn't have the cold-blooded "vibe" of a killer or torturer. More a self defense fella. I may be wrong.

He's also a better public face then a bespeckled labcoat or a military uniform. Sorta there with the younger American kids who might see "dark potential hero type".

I like your post above willtell, how I see it too to a degree. Control the narrative. My gut says they actually have something substantial, and they want to release it on their terms.

I'll wager on Antarctica, the most inaccessible controllable place on earth as a likely future addition to the narrative.

Doesn't matter if there is nothing but ice there really. They could run with any story they liked and who could say otherwise.A crashed UFO, a frozen civilisation, "Atlantis", Everyone would just go "wow" and "I just knew something was down there!"

It is different enough from classical UFOlogy to make everyone look "wrong".

Of course there might actually be something there. I think there is and it will bite them on the arse big time if they disturb it. Especially if they took an abomb or two with them as insurance.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 07:19 AM
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TTSA and now practically every UFO organization of any merit is now controlled by the US intelligence apparatus.


I think the problem has always been the basic UFO conspiracy story since the 1950s.

"The US government is in cahoots with the aliens and they are covering it all up".

But the same people who promote that angle also look to the US government to tell them that there is a conspiracy and they've been covering up the existence of aliens. Which is sort of counter intuitive.

There is a history of ufology being infiltrated. But now it seems TTSA is being used as a sledge hammer to smash everything into submission. Even the big name UFOtainers are no longer critical and certain pro-UFO journalists seem to be towing the line too. Some are even pointing fingers at social media now because we dare to question their modus operandi.

Had any emails from people offering to 'help' you WIlltell?




....this organization is just another psyop to control the narrative… to despoil UFOlogy, for whatever reason they have. And they're very successful, since obviously there will NEVER be any legitimate investigation into UFOlogy.


Same old story. Bigelow was doing it with back in the 90s. But he works out of the same area where many of the 'agency' people, UFO personalities, and mythmakers congregate in the SW of the USA. It's not a coincidence. It goes back to the 50s when spooks infiltrated the likes of NICAP.




You want truth regarding UFOlogy, then fine, seek it on your own and come to your own awareness but forget about any public or mass awareness


And also ignore any offers of 'help' from the inside. You know why.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 07:34 AM
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I know it's speculation but there could be something going on down in Antarctica. What puts me off slightly is that this would be a similar narrative that people like Corey Goode, David Wilcock, Linda Moulton Howe and Michael Salla have been pushing for a couple of years. Those people are not reliable sources of information.

However it is notable that even Zondo has an academic background in "Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology, with research experience in tropical diseases". So there has to be something more to this than hunting down fragments of alleged UFO parts (and not changing his clothes for days on end).



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 09:09 AM
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I know it's speculation but there could be something going on down in Antarctica. What puts me off slightly is that this would be a similar narrative that people like Corey Goode, David Wilcock, Linda Moulton Howe and Michael Salla have been pushing for a couple of years. Those people are not reliable sources of information.


me too, I read a bit of the exo* website a few times and was not impressed. I think the whole Antarctica narrative is suspicious.



However it is notable that even Zondo has an academic background in "Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology, with research experience in tropical diseases". So there has to be something more to this than hunting down fragments of alleged UFO parts (and not changing his clothes for days on end).


Exactly, the biology. So even Zondo too.

Why the emphasis on stacking the board of directors with bio-tech business people from the beginning?

Presumably the expertise in a business is a reflection of what the business is all about.

So what does that say about the TTSA?

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Edit: I WOULD like to simply buy a big stack of black T-shirts, levi jeans and green checkered flannel shirts at the beginning of every year. They're comfy and you don't have to think about being fashionable.

But I can't do that because my family says things like "Dad! People will think you don't change your clothes . . . . "

YOUR NOT HELPING mirageman. Stop picking on Zondo!



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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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If the Paul Bennewitz Affair wasn't what most people think...
Then the Valdez's were right about Dulce Base
Which means that Linda Moulten Howe was wrong about Cattle Mutilations

If Cattle Mutilations are largely explained away....
The Hunt For SkinWalker is largely covering animal testing and prion disease
SkinWalker ranch isn't home to a Phenomena, the it's home to animal and weapon testing

If SkinWalker falls then, as Corbell has stated, this was the bigger project between this and ATIP
and there aren't clocked craft and predator style creatures going round messing in your freezer and scaring your dog

Why did Vallee decide to leave "UFOLOGY"?

What about TTSA left a bad taste in his mouth?



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 10:25 AM
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ZonDOTY and Tom Delongawitz both are playing a part. One of them doesn’t even know it.


One reason most of the UFOlogists are following the breadcrumbs is that they are being bribed and or they want in on the action.

Though many still are skeptical about this




Had any emails from people offering to 'help' you WIlltell?


Haven’t gotten any yet but I would be happy to hear their price, though, I doubt they would care about us small fry.

This is a zero-sum game, and their position of power gives them all the chips, we have nothing here because of that.

Frankly, I'll tell you, I would work with them as long as they came out and told the truth that they are the government.
If not then I would tell them to take a hike.


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