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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 09:36 PM
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We have a collection of individuals in TTSA that have come together over a subject that we at ATS, and within the general public have scrutinised over decades, centuries, millennia, whether collectively or individually. They, whether you like it or not, have stirred the imagination and thought processes of people that have a vested interest for one reason or another, based on this phenomena that so captivates our minds, more than any other collective or organisation for at least 25 years.

Think back to your first stirrings of ‘what if’ and how that made you think of the impossible or universal questions of life, and yet we find as every year passes that the ‘what if’s’ are now ‘what about’. We accept new technologies at the blink of an eye because we’re expecting it. The people and agencies that make ‘phenomena’ discoveries, that have the expected data, are much more sophisticated and learned than you’d like to accept. It’s almost a form of jealousy. They have the might, power and finances that you’d only dream of and yet they are criticised because they have access to cash. On the flipside Nicola Tesla’s dream died becasue of no cash. Was he a fraud?

Humankind is predisposed to think the worst in everything... it’s a coping mechanism to deal with everyday threats. With the internet, our daily threats are acted out on the global stage. I read here on ATS many simple daily threats that may last only minutes, hours or posssibly days. Alex Jones flips his lid on something new every day, because it’s a side show of attention grabbing.

Is this attention grabbing, because they want to people to know and get involved because in one of the most universal questions known to man; philosophical questions and possible answers?
Or maybe it’s because TTSA are just backstreet court jesters, pulling the wool over our eyes to do what? Get us to pay $200 to line their pockets and feed us with alien fiction? I can do that if you give me a few grand and a platform.

These things exist, these situations exist, these mindbending, worldview shattering experiences exist regardless of Luis Elizondo. Regardless of Tom DeLonge. Regardless of Hal Puthoff. These things are tangible, awe inspiring and alternatively destructive, and happen across every country on Earth. The players you mention are NOT in control of this, they are not stage hands ffs. If your think they’re a fraud then ignore them, it’s not going to impact on your life if you do or don’t.

Take a step back and remember what it is you are looking for.




posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: firesnake

Were all looking for interest. I fact we have interest, though; in this field, we just don’t have the truth.

So yeah, we can find it in other places for sure, and we do, but we still watch and listen to the show as we watch and listen to many shows, just as we listen, daily, to the Trump show.

And if we watch with either one eye or both eyes, what does it matter as long as we watch...the commercials!



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 10:30 PM
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They haven’t stirred anything. No one outside this thread seems to care. Even with all this bought media attention they can’t muster any organic interest IRL.

I want justice for Paul Bennewitz and everyone else hurt by these rediculous shenanigans. This is all or nothing - if they don’t deliver in some respect they’ve fried everything for this song and dance. Insert joke about karma here.

www.uapinfo.net... Edit oh look they noticed.
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posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 11:09 PM
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I sincerely believe at this point that if Kit Green and Vallee jumped out a cake live on CNN, with three alien landing craft in tow, that no one outside this small community...would actually care. Look how people acted during the Hawaii missile scare - pretty far from apocalyptic panic in the streets. How much stuff has been justified because 'people might panic and burn the country down' or something? ...where is the evidence for this belief?



posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 03:46 AM
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... more than any other collective or organisation for at least 25 years


Ever heard of religion? It is incredibly easy to make people believe. And TTSA and other UFO entertainers are exploiting exactly this human weakness.

But that is what you want, isn't it? To be entertained, to have your mind captivated, your imagination stirred...

And that is pretty much all you'll ever get.



posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 06:45 AM
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a reply to: firesnake

You got a bit wrapped up in your own verbosity there if I may say so. So your points are struggling to stand out in a lexical quagmire of your own creation.

The subjects covered in the OP of the thread are still interesting to me. Even when I step back.



Maybe that's all there is to it? I don't know.

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posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: firesnake

I took a step back and nearly fell over.


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posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: 1ofthe9
I sincerely believe at this point that if Kit Green and Vallee jumped out a cake live on CNN, with three alien landing craft in tow, that no one outside this small community...would actually care. Look how people acted during the Hawaii missile scare - pretty far from apocalyptic panic in the streets. How much stuff has been justified because 'people might panic and burn the country down' or something? ...where is the evidence for this belief?


Good point 1/9.

The theory originated back in 1938 with the HG Wells sci-fi story ‘war of the worlds’. It was a radio show broadcast by Orson Wells ( no relation) on Halloween of that year and delivered as a ‘real broadcast’.

People were alleged to have thought the world was really coming to an end and running through the streets screaming. But conflicting reports say it was over stated and not many people actually even heard the broadcast.

en.m.wikipedia.org...(radio_drama)



If the US Govt has an official opinion on the subject my guess is they would still fall back on the public panic excuse because it is easy, and hard to disprove.

Some recent discussions have alluded to specific US govt employees within inner circles having religious implications within their own beliefs and that the belief that the phenomenon is demonic.
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posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 01:39 PM
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If TTSA is trying to inculcate belief in UFOs then the best way to do that is to come up with some qualified sure enough evidence, not suggestive propaganda.

What is their stated belief in the reality of the UFO and or Alien phenomenon?

It doesn't exist on their site.

And I don’t mean warp drives or time-space continuum BS.

Here is their mission statement



The Stars Academy strives to be a powerful vehicle for change by creating a consortium among science, aerospace and entertainment that will work collectively to allow gifted researchers the freedom to explore exotic science and technologies with the infrastructure and resources to rapidly transition them to products that can change the world:


Now all of this is fine for some philosophical group or some new age organization

but...

What does any of this have to do with UFOLOGY?


WE WANT TO KNOW THE MYSTERY ABOUT UFOS AND ALIENS

IF POSSIBLE

Not all this RUBBISH that’s in this mission statement

We don't need any more entertainment

We don't need another science lab club

and we damn sure don't need any more tea shirts and caps...

We have, on the most part, no alternative but to conclude TTSA is a government disinformation operation



posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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Now what I mean by disinformation is that what they’re doing with TTSA amounts to a massive distraction campaign.
I mean that’s the reason for their disinformation: distraction.
You know like giving children toys to play with so they don’t wreck the house

They distracted UFOLOGY massively through the Bennowitz caper.

The same thing is happening here, just on another level. Then was Aliens are demons, now aliens are super technological.

Here’s more from their mission statement




Human ultra-experience database - Develop a world-wide digital database cataloguing different types of supranormal experiences, with the goal of creating proprietary algorithms to find detailed patterns and correlate them with other academic research.

Brain-computer interface technology - Explore new approaches for the use of sophisticated technologies to promote direct brain to computer interfaces.

Engineering the space-time metric - Develop next-generation aerospace propulsion technologies, using a concept referred to as metric engineering, which uses advanced math modelling techniques, providing a technology base to the Aerospace Division for future products.


All of this stuff, if it were pursued, would amount to a massive distraction.

Absolutely NOTHING in it has anything to do with the basic questions revolving around UFOlogy.
(Unless they're suggesting UFOlogy is all about technology)

Of course, though, we know they won’t do any of the above. Therefore what they’ll do is only present minor UFO related material that will amount to a time-consuming distraction like hunting down alien materials from space.

They hope to at best also get credulous and excited followers to pursue some of the nonsense written on their site and at least distract those people.



posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 02:22 PM
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But don’t you see that’s a success for them, not a failure since all they want to do is make sure UFOlogy is still just a small group of people.
It’s like a confirmation of the success they have had in past disinformation campaigns.

I figure the US government black operations people will always put into any operation the amount of energy it receives from the input. Paul Bennewitz ( input) was a minor operator so they just put in Doty, Vallee J. Allen Hynek to deceive him and create the last UFO disinformation era.
Bennowitz was a formidable guy but still not a powerhouse.

Like… TDL
Now they get a person like him ( input) who can lead the people to another era of disinformation and distractions and boy with him they figured they hit the disinformation jackpot!

Though with him, they have to put in more energy, therefore, you have Zondo, all of these old time CIA operators, Green, Puthoff, and some new blood from the biotech industry and above all the mass media's apparent approval of this scheme. Now that’s big time!



posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: 1ofthe9

But don’t you see that’s a success for them, not a failure since all they want to do is make sure UFOlogy is still just a small group of people.
It’s like a confirmation of the success they have had in past disinformation campaigns.

I figure the US government black operations people will always put into any operation the amount of energy it receives from the input. Paul Bennewitz ( input) was a minor operator so they just put in Doty, Vallee J. Allen Hynek to deceive him and create the last UFO disinformation era.
Bennowitz was a formidable guy but still not a powerhouse.

Like… TDL
Now they get a person like him ( input) who can lead the people to another era of disinformation and distractions and boy with him they figured they hit the disinformation jackpot!

Though with him, they have to put in more energy, therefore, you have Zondo, all of these old time CIA operators, Green, Puthoff, and some new blood from the biotech industry and above all the mass media's apparent approval of this scheme. Now that’s big time!



I keep coming back to the Valerie Ransome thing for a reason guys.



posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: 1ofthe9

Was she connected to Bennewitz, I forget?



posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: 1ofthe9

Was she connected to Bennewitz, I forget?


She’s some kind of trance channeler

On a related matter...as for TTSA and their alien junk from outer space, I wouldn’t have much faith in that.

web.archive.org...://www.martiansgohome.com/smear/v47/ss000615.htm#bennewitz



Sgt. Doty does not believe in UFO abductions nor (obviously) in Paul Bennewitz's flying saucer theories; but he does believe strongly that the U.S. government has captured hardware from outer space. He tells us that he has visited the mysterious top-secret "Area 51" in Nevada, where he did not actually see alien technology, but he was told it was there. His clearance was not high enough to be shown the actual hardware, he says. Or - was this disinformation specialist a victim, himself, of disinformation? We'll never know for sure, nor will he!

edit on 11-8-2018 by Willtell because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: 1ofthe9
I sincerely believe at this point that if Kit Green and Vallee jumped out a cake live on CNN, with three alien landing craft in tow, that no one outside this small community...would actually care. Look how people acted during the Hawaii missile scare - pretty far from apocalyptic panic in the streets. How much stuff has been justified because 'people might panic and burn the country down' or something? ...where is the evidence for this belief?


I might have posted this before.


Alexander UFO Religious Crisis Survey: The Impact of UFOs and Their Occupants on Religion
Conducted by Victoria Alexander, (NIDS / Bigelow Foundation)

The Alexander UFO Religious Crisis survey addresses just one of many problems facing the UFO Community: how would organized religions in the United States react to confirmation of contact with an advanced extraterrestrial civilization. The results of this pilot survey are straightforward and remarkably simple. The theologians surveyed would not feel their faith and the faith of their congregation would be threatened

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John Alexander, Gordon Novel, Victoria Alexander

Where are you going with the Valerie Ransone thing, 1o9? You have me intrigued. I was in contact with Keith Basterfield when he was digging around trying to come up with some answers about where she fit in as regards ufology/phenomenology. Jim Oberg came up with a little bit on her as well.

Coming back to to Team Bigelow and our ubiquitous cast of characters, a constantly recurring theme is contract work for the M.I.C.

From Mirage Men author Mark Pilkington's Blog:



A Powerpoint presentation made available on journalist Glenn Greenwald’s web site, Firstlook.org, may just have revealed the Mirage Men – or at least one branch of their operations.

The presentation is called The Art of Deception, Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations and was given by GCHQ’s Human Science Operation Cell (HSOC), linked to the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG),

...we can infer from the slides that the powerpoint outlines applied techniques for deploying psychology, deception, illusion, dissimulation, magic, religion and belief in their intelligence and counter-intelligence operations.

And, sure enough, scroll down to pages 35 to 37  in Strand 2: Influence and Information Operations and you will find three slides
of UFO photographs…

If you’ve made it to this blog in the first place, then you don’t need me to explain why, but it’s clear that they consider the UFO subject, its attendant beliefs, and the vocal  community surrounding it, to be a useful field of operations for their activities.

This might have implications relating to the SERPO ”extraterrestrial exchange” documents that were circulated in 2005 and, indeed, for almost any other online dissemination point for UFO information …

miragemen.wordpress.com...


He mentions SERPO. Sounds vaguely familiar. Psyops, social engineering, etc...birds of a feather. Here's a few slides from the leaked document:





Pg 7 - We want to build Cyber Magicians



Here's a bit about magician and CIA operative John Mullholland from the slide above. He's the guy the fine folk who brought us MK-ULTRA took poor Frank Olson to right before he was suicided:



While in New York, Olson also met with John Mullholland, a CIA-employed magician. When Mullholland attempted to hypnotize Olson, the latter grew upset. He pleaded with them all to “just let me disappear.” Unfortunately, that wasn’t any kind of magic trick that John Mullholland could perform. The CIA had an entirely different trick up its sleeve and shortly thereafter, Frank Olson plunged to his death from his hotel window.

morallowground.com...





posted on Aug, 11 2018 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: The GUT

The aliens must be some real p___y’s since they let the US government piss all over their enterprise, whatever the hell it is.
I guess they don’t give a damn about humans.
I think at first they ventured to lie overtly and then they stepped back to see what the aliens would do.
NOTHING

Then they went hog wild and just started lying, lying and lying.



posted on Aug, 12 2018 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: The GUT

Do you still have that thread where Frank Camper was exposed as CIA operative in the Aliens and ET division?



posted on Aug, 14 2018 @ 06:11 AM
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The Sunday Times ran a column on Sunday 12th Aug 2018 with some interesting comments. Some even quoted directly from this thread!





Is the US government hiding UFOs in a Las Vegas hangar?




...Soon after the Roswell incident, the military announced the object found in a farmer’s field was not from outer space but a weather balloon. But there has been no retraction of the latest story, published last December in The New York Times and The Washington Post. Questioned about the events, the Pentagon has maintained an information blackout, as has Bigelow Aerospace. With no new leads, America’s restless news agenda has moved on. But internet sleuths have continued to probe. Websites normally regarded as outlets for conspiracy theorists have turned up intriguing new evidence and stolen a march on America’s mainstream media......



...According to abovetopsecret.com — a site devoted to “conspiracy theories, UFOs and the paranormal” — Bigelow approached Mufon in 2008 with a business proposal to buy its database of UFO sightings and archive of evidence, including quite possibly alien artefacts: “The contract was offering a total of $672,000 if Mufon delivered. By November 2009, $334,000 of the promised $672,000 had been paid … money that we now know came from US taxpayers...”



...Paranoia magazine — subtitled “the conspiracy reader” — went further and published what it claimed were the terms of the contract. Its web detectives detailed what Mufon had agreed to hand over to a Bigelow company, including “witness photographs … ground or air-derived radar from FAA [Federal Aviation Administration] or other sources [presumably targeted at civilian pilots] and evidence [of] effects on humans, foliage, soil, fauna and insects … casts of footprints … interview transcripts, any testimony, including recordings of first-hand accounts and observations, as well as any other item that may be recovered”. It’s not clear whether the metamaterials now being guarded in Las Vegas were among the recovered items. But it seems that Bigelow acquired objects at about this time that convinced him aliens had visited Earth, and stayed. “There has been and is an existing presence, an ET presence [on Earth],” Bigelow said in a rare interview...



...So far, the payments to Bigelow Aerospace seem to have avoided close scrutiny by US public-spending watchdogs, which is perhaps surprising, as it turns out Bigelow is a close friend of Reid, one of the three senators who helped him secure the funding....



....When I contacted Bigelow Aerospace, Gary Buchanan, the chief operating officer of Bigelow Space Operations, a sister company based at the same address, agreed to be interviewed on aerospace matters. Just before I arrived at the company’s Las Vegas headquarters, he cancelled the meeting. When I approached the fortified compound to find out if anyone would talk, the reaction was dramatic. A guard shut himself in a security kiosk and activated a “lockdown”. An alarm was sounded and electrically operated gates were closed, sealing the perimeter. More guards appeared wearing weapons holsters and issued orders to leave immediately...



...All my attempts to contact Robert Bigelow were unsuccessful...



Just before this piece goes to press, I receive a call from Bigelow Aerospace in response to an email informing the company that The Sunday Times was about to publish. Blair Bigelow, recently appointed vice-president for corporate strategy at Bigelow Aerospace — and Robert Bigelow’s granddaughter — apologises that the interview was cancelled, and says that the company is unable to comment on AATIP or related matters. “We’re not supporting any pieces to do with extraterrestrials,” she says. “Mr Bigelow is focused on his work at Bigelow Aerospace, Bigelow Space Operations and his real- estate operations called Budget Suites. Any questions on that topic could be put to the US government.” Told that the US army had redirected questions to Bigelow Aerospace, she says she is still unable to comment: “I know we’re proud of the work we did, but that’s the only detail I can give you.” Asked if salvaged UAP parts were still stored at Bigelow Aerospace, she says: “I’m not part of that programme and it’s not something I’m able to answer questions about.” Her grandfather is “incredibly busy”, she adds, and unavailable for interview.


Full story : Sunday Times (requires registration)


Since when did mainstream establishment news sources source their information from internet forums?

However it's an interesting read especially the part about MUFON handing over..

"witness photographs … ground or air-derived radar from FAA [Federal Aviation Administration] or other sources [presumably targeted at civilian pilots] and evidence [of] effects on humans, foliage, soil, fauna and insects … casts of footprints … interview transcripts, any testimony, including recordings of first-hand accounts and observations, as well as any other item that may be recovered” to Bigelow's company.

Also interesting that Bigelow is staying as tight lipped as the Pentagon on this ongoing saga.



posted on Aug, 14 2018 @ 08:48 AM
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Journalism is dead huh...

"ATS does the research, so they don't have to" ; should be a new tagine..

Probably a user on here to be honest, wouldn't surprise me...

As for Bigelow, well people that worked for him were under NDAs just as he probably is...

All those plasma critters live in his right nostril..

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posted on Aug, 14 2018 @ 11:00 AM
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Since when did mainstream establishment news sources source their information from internet forums?


Well, actually it’s a good shout out for ATS. Maybe that will help bring it back to the conspiracy genre it used to be and less the Trump noise page it has become.


To the topic, we all know Bigelow is an Intel operator's dream…tight-lipped, morose, quiet, and an introvert only interested in his own certainty.

He won’t ever speak about his own enterprises then how can we expect him to speak on others.




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