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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: Kevin2024

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: JackSarfatti
a reply to: mirageman

Check me out on Twitter, Facebook, Google+, academia.edu, Wikipedia, Stardrive.org
the quotes of me are accurate.
I think I have solved the mystery of the UFO technology .
Jack Sarfatti



good lord

Why "good lord" ?

Kev


I'm just really surprised to see him. I wasn't expecting anyone to drop by.

Welcome to our thread Mr. Sarfatti.




posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:44 PM
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originally posted by: JackSarfatti
a reply to: mirageman

Check me out on Twitter, Facebook, Google+, academia.edu, Wikipedia, Stardrive.org
the quotes of me are accurate.
I think I have solved the mystery of the UFO technology .
Jack Sarfatti

Hiya, Jack! Stick around and chat a bit.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:50 PM
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originally posted by: JackSarfatti
a reply to: mirageman

Check me out on Twitter, Facebook, Google+, academia.edu, Wikipedia, Stardrive.org
the quotes of me are accurate.
I think I have solved the mystery of the UFO technology .
Jack Sarfatti



I listened to your retro causality videos, they are awesome!

Dan Smith is pretty out there though, I worry a bit about him being manipulated by his handler.

Tell us more about your discovery!



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:55 PM
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a reply to: ShadeWolf

The people who have synthesized element 115 only created a low end neutron number isotope of the material. So they, or anyone else claiming this invalidates anything about it's claimed properties Lazar spoke about don't really know, but are just making noise about it.
Maybe some day we will find out.

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posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: Iridomyrmex

I've been enjoying your posts, Iridomyrmex.
Delonge and To The Stars Academy, etc., seem to have really captured your attention. Like all of it as far as ATS is concerned.

May I politely and sincerely ask what it is about this particular bit of, ahem, "Disclosure" that has motivated your interest? Asking for a friend.


Thanks, GUT!
I used to listen to Coast 2 Coast back when Art Bell hosted, always curious as to how these obvious UFO con-men could gain such a following on based on flimsy anecdotes, with only a photo of a blob or a tossed hubcap as physical evidence. Like, what used car lot do these guys graduate from? Then suddenly one day I see my old idol from my sophomore year of highschool, Tom Delonge, poke his smirking mug out of the woodwork and claim a laundry list of recycled UFO lore as some sort of grand revelation to the world. I guess this is my generation's mole to whack?


Do you happen to have any insight into any of the players discussed here? Please say yes.


Yes, in fact. I have been loudly informed (by omission) that none of the 'experts' in either the government AATIP program, the TTS/AAS program, Bigelow Aerospace, the major media, or most of the front and center of Ufology, know what a lens flare looks like. No one comes out of this clean.

How's that for insight?



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

They've come up with four isotopes, Mc-287 through Mc-290, all of which are in line with the highly radioactive short-lived synthetic elements in that region of the periodic table. Once you go past curium (element 96), things get energetic and nasty, and only generated in single atoms via high-powered cyclotrons and such. And from what I recall, none of Lazar's claims regarding how the element-115 reactor worked made any kind of sense in physics terms.



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 03:14 AM
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This guy is working an interesting angle that ties in :


Plasmonics
ZPF elevation
LENR
THz Rad
Intertial Shielding
Puthoff

Hal Puthoff worked with Ken Shoulders at the Jupiter (Roman God of the Skies) Toy Company.

"Lou" has made the claim that they used to think it was 5 separate technologies - but they now think it is " a manifestation of a single technology"

Condign "informs" us that buoyant plasma formations can cause WOo effects- and Kit Green is adamant that some UAP experiencers are exposed to "Thz rad" (which is also a by product of some of Ken Shoulders plasmonics work)


Although much of the physics (site operator interpretation) sounds wonky ...I think he/she might be onto something in terms of direction this is going.
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posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 04:29 AM
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a reply to: Jukiodone

hate to break this to you but Ken shoulders potentium from what i can tell is a rehash of the discarded idea of the aether. EM doesn't need a medium to propagate. virtual particles and EM waveforms do make up some of the vacua of the vacuum. but not in the manner a proposed Aether (potentium) or his EVOs could though. not to say there aren't interesting applications for that vacua but Shoulders doesn't have the solution.

so why was his patents threatened by DoD for classification? got nothing to do with ufo propulsion.

edited cause TMI than prudent
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posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: Harpua

I think Jack expects his works to be self evident, however I've always found reading them a challenge.
I'm under the impression eidetic memory is statistically much more likely to occur in chi who do not yet possess the mathematical conventions needed to anchor themselves in a more rigid causal framework. Even a cook's tour of simple concepts such as big endian vs little endian representation, a little grade school geometry, greek history and the art world could vastly improve their comprehension levels in Jacks world.


The bias against Wheeler-Feynman retro-causal advanced waves from a future absorber,a general lack of understanding of when the asymptotically constant de Sitter horizon is in our subjective observable causal diamond piece of the multiverse, Hawking’schronology protection conjecture, and the lack of comprehension of the strange implications of the t’Hooft-Susskind hologram principle i have not allowed us to see what is in front of our eyes since the discovery of dark energy energy accelerating theexpansion rate of 3D space ten years or so ago. Bernard Carr ii has already published a brief account of my idea that retrocausality is the key to understanding the biggest problem in physics today – why the dark energy density is so small.



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: Kevin2024

I'd actually forgot to mention that during the 'golden age' of ufo cases in Britain (mid 1970s and 1980s) there was a group dubbed APEN. There is a thread somewhere about them on here but I am pressed for time. I can provide a link later.
APEN were continually spreading false stories to UFO investigators and even threatening ufologists.

Anyway back later must dash.



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: Jukiodone

From your link, the suggestion of how "UFO slag" is produced:


For example, a sharp wire functioning as an emitter would eventually become blunted after a number of pulses resulting in the required voltage to increase significantly. To make such an emitter degrade more slowly, or potentially not at all, he designed systems that applied tiny drops of mercury and other metals with a low melting temperature to the very tip. Instead of each EV generation pulse removing metal from the wire or needle, a portion of the liquid metal would be hurled away, but easily replaced. Using these systems that continuously regenerated the cathode, he was able to produce EVs at high frequencies all the way up to the megahertz range although more typically in the hundreds of kilohertz.


Buyer beware I'd say though.
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posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: Jukiodone

From your link, the suggestion of how "UFO slag" is produced:


For example, a sharp wire functioning as an emitter would eventually become blunted after a number of pulses resulting in the required voltage to increase significantly. To make such an emitter degrade more slowly, or potentially not at all, he designed systems that applied tiny drops of mercury and other metals with a low melting temperature to the very tip. Instead of each EV generation pulse removing metal from the wire or needle, a portion of the liquid metal would be hurled away, but easily replaced. Using these systems that continuously regenerated the cathode, he was able to produce EVs at high frequencies all the way up to the megahertz range although more typically in the hundreds of kilohertz.


The mythology of black ops antigrav craft is one of the most powerful mythologies created in the past 30 years.. well done on that social engineering I'd say!

Now, if during the early and mid golden era, flush toilets, kitchen appliances, and all manner of weird stuff wasn't falling out of the sky.... and well reported at that.. I'd give the tech explanation of UFO slag more credence.

My theory is discarded shielding from EM lifeforms, but even I don't give that theory much credence.

I really don't know where slag comes from.

Kev

Buyer beware I'd say though.



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: Kevin2024
I think I talked to Jack about 15 years ago. You can talk to most true believers, whether their belief system is the occult or fringe science. They just want someone to listen to them.

I remember Jack from Paranet.
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posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Jukiodone

hate to break this to you but Ken shoulders potentium from what i can tell is a rehash of the discarded idea of the aether.


And Reich's "Orgone" comes into play with these players and their conceptual framework. Sheesh, the more things change the more they remain the same. But I think we're starting to better understand where these TTSA guys are coming from: Woo City.

Jukiodone referenced the Condign Report and buoyant plasmas. What do you make of the Condign Report, BP?


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posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: Kevin2024

My theory is discarded shielding from EM lifeforms, but even I don't give that theory much credence.

If "slag" actually is produced during some high-strangeness events, then that's certainly on the table I'd say.

I throw the word "Woo" around a lot to yank some chains, but I can see what intrigues some of these players.



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: Iridomyrmex

Yes, in fact. I have been loudly informed (by omission) that none of the 'experts' in either the government AATIP program, the TTS/AAS program, Bigelow Aerospace, the major media, or most of the front and center of Ufology, know what a lens flare looks like. No one comes out of this clean.

How's that for insight?

Whack them moles!!



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: Kevin2024

My theory is discarded shielding from EM lifeforms, but even I don't give that theory much credence.

If "slag" actually is produced during some high-strangeness events, then that's certainly on the table I'd say.

I throw the word "Woo" around a lot to yank some chains, but I can see what intrigues some of these players.


Saying "woo" a lot is justified. Hey-- i'm your apprentice in this.. I invented the word "pay-per-woovervision".

But a lot of very intelligent and powerful people believe in woo... (me included.. I'm intelligent anyway)..
it can't all be attributed to mental illness.. and there *is* enough anecdotal evidence over the years that
it can't all be thrown out.



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Jukiodone

hate to break this to you but Ken shoulders potentium from what i can tell is a rehash of the discarded idea of the aether.


And Reich's "Orgone" comes into play with these players and their conceptual framework. Sheesh, the more things change the more they remain the same. But I think we're starting to better understand where these TTSA guys are coming from: Woo City.

Jukiodone referenced the Condign Report and buoyant plasmas. What do you make of the Condign Report, BP?



Well back at you GUT. Apparently the first noticed "plasmas" were the "foo fighters" but those were simply an artifact
of the newly invented high-powered radars on those planes.. that seems very reasonable to me.

But then later, apparently the bright spook boys decided that some of these plasmas had psychoactive effects..
which had to make them wet down below. Later, it was apparently noticed, that at least the natural plasmas
seemed to respond to observers thoughts.

So it's not surprising, that the government loves this topic of psychoactive plasmas.

I wish someone could writeup a really beautiful paper on this subject.. it can't be me.. I'm not a UFO
historian/researcher per se.

That's for you paper trail brain boxes, not me.
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posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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The "evidence" Lou Elizondo claims to have seen is a single report he found in a classified records system before he retired. That report was created as a joke, and Lou thought it was genuine reporting.

Also keep in mind that his position in the U.S. DoD's Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program (AATIP) had nothing to do with the study of so-called alien technology. It was focused on what our adversaries were cooking up and how we could detect, identify, and counter the threats. Nothing more.

Lou and his pals are seeing dollar signs. They're charging $$ for speaking engagements and selling hats and tee shirts. They will make a lot of money before this blows over.

That is the truth.



posted on Jan, 10 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: TheTruthRocks
The "evidence" Lou Elizondo claims to have seen is a single report he found in a classified records system before he retired. That report was created as a joke, and Lou thought it was genuine reporting.

Lou and his pals are seeing dollar signs. They're charging $$ for speaking engagements and selling hats and tee shirts. They will make a lot of money before this blows over.

That is the truth.


Thanks for the post. This seems very reasonable.

Related question:

Do you have an opinion about Gary McKinnon? It seems he's on the pay-per-woovervision gravy train now too..
but he originally was just a hacker, apparently.



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