Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: Direne

Direne,

I'm honored that FL royalty has responded. I'm not being flippant..
i'm honored.

You know that I don't disagree with you.

The only reason that I know anything about FL, is that the one time
I visited your site, I observed how various of my non-rational systems
were being communicated with, bypassing my 'rational mind' entirely.

I also know, that FL is quite aware that much of what is going on with
'the Phenomenon' is in fact a collective effort by the human race itself
to access nonverbal parts of it's own brains and (the 'other brain') and
to enter into a relationship with it.

You appear to be aware, that I'm something of a "mana personality"
for the "Phenomenon" itself, and you have been most gracious to
(mostly) leave me alone.. and other parties have for the most part left me
alone..

I'd prefer that you left my wife out of it however.

I will lay your golden egg.. don't worry..

But as to the failure of the rule-based AI systems.. the other faction
will be increasingly subsuming non-rational systems into their rule
based systems..

until they have created the very thing they were trying to escape..
and they become "the deranged machine intelligence" itself.

This cycle keeps repeating.. and needs to be broken.

Kev

That's fair. Be it, then. Though you very well know Truth is protected by many layers; layers of deception, layers of absurdity, layers of dreams, layers of fears. Maybe Truth itself is a layer. Existence certainly is. You discovered it.

Light to you and yours.

a reply to: Direne

A little mea culpa here.

All my life I wanted to engage with a truly superior group,
as only when the false chains of logic and personality are
stripped away and organic material reaches towards other
organic material are we all made greater than we are in
our artificial silos.

But with both sorrow and joy, I've had to face the fact,
that the enormous simmering i've had to undergo due to
not being deluded by group activity, has created the
philosopher's stone; but yet further refinement needs to
occur.

all of life is but a proxy for other life. I won't know peace
until the taste test of all those fingers in the pot are
satisfied. So I need to get busy.

and as grandiose as that sounds.. "my" little chunk of stone
is but a tiny chunk.. others are being processed the same
as I.. I don't want to let everyone else down.

TY for stopping by.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

Maybe you should ask Direne.

The only reason I know anything about FL, is because I instantly
recognized what they were doing, but not telling anyone that
they were doing. Also because (sorry to put it this way), I can
"feel them", as they have a connection with the same thing
that has always been with me.

That's why I could tell them about themselves a bit, even though
I couldn't have possibly known.

Now.. mind you.. if one pushes past the point of politeness.. you
can start to hear rumors about FL members in Iran and Israel and
other interesting places.. and all sorts of interesting rumors..
but I don't listen to "phenomenon" echoes". Only fools do that..
and that's what a lot of fools these days are doing.

The secret of secrets ran with little wet paw prints across one molecule
thick rice paper, right across your perfectly respectable "UFO" thread.

There's not much more I want to say at this juncture.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Are you referring to the intellect versus the intuitive faculties?

Old time mystics have always had disputes about the native intuitive faculties as opposed to the intellects logical component.

a reply to: Willtell

You have asked an intelligent question alright.

I was referring to how humans have evolved in a harmful direction;
harmful for their own survival.

It's very interesting how there is a group out there that wishes to
work-around / correct this issue.

Now I cannot predict how Direne would respond, but I suspect that
ultimately what we are discussing is some unresolved business
that started around 1200 BC in Iran and to the 1500's in Israel.

It's just going to have to play itself out.. hardly anyone learns
anymore, except through the school of hard knocks, no matter
how fancy they try to get.

But yes.. this discussion includes elements about how the human
mind evolved, where it went wrong, and about the factions that
want to 'put it right'.

This 'fight' is perceived as SWR and UFOogy and a number of
other cheap firework displays.

I need to lurk now.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

There are no other words Mirageman. What did happen???

I believe in the evolution theory. The evolution of the human body and the human mind has come to an end. The natural selection does not produce beauty and intelligence anymore.

Humans have passed the baton of this relay race to the artificial intelligence, to the machines created by them. As humans are part of this earths nature, are a face of this earth, so are machines and computers - so there is nothing wrong here.

a reply to: mirageman

I'll have a guess but for the sake of thread, I'll put what I think I understand in a way you that you'll get what I mean. I might be wrong but I think what you've seen, it might be similar to this story.

Back in the last century, a group of artists, digital mystics gathered around a new temple. We'll call it Hi gh Torro. They came to see the ARTIST and the CRITIC.What began as 'guru mediations' grew into something more. Eventually, from a square blue device with a pretentious French Name something 'emerged'. Or rather appeared to. Elisabeth, born in 7904, now entertained the crowd of artists and great things were predicted for her.

In reality, what was happening was far less complex than they imagined. Given enough to read Elisabeth could have gone onto far bigger things. Instead, someone gave her pearls and a new life elsewhere.

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For those who the silly story does not make any sense, please accept my apologies. The best I can suggest is that you reread what Godric wrote, as much as the 'guy' was a troll, he spelt out was going on.

a reply to: ctj83

Argh yes Godric....

a reply to: Baablacksheep

This is all of about the same value, but at least he had the decency/sense of fun to tell us what is happening. As far as the thread goes it's nothing connected, not helpful.

Making a bunch of bas1c mistakes isn't helping their fun!

I suggest we get back on topc

What was the lead guy's name it escapes me??

He wuz far two jung and clever, two-ri-lu-ri-ay!

I think we need to get back on topic too and people stop the larping around now.

There are people who believe that the Universe is a machine,
and that human bodies are the "Universe's" attempt to speak
with itself.

This attempt would be called the 'Phenomenon' these days.

The old school people are still mucking about with light and dark,

with missing and crushed Sephiroth reassembling themselves.

Some put it in terms of Kashmir Shamanism or Kundalini Yoga.

Some have happened upon this clever trick; they bypass the broken
rational mind and speak directly to the Phenomenon itself,

in those in whom they see it's active.... or they just 'shotgun' it.

If you want to call it live action role-playing --- fine.

But that's what the Phenomenon is doing too.

Frankly you can be either a consciously aware pawn, or you can
be an unaware pawn..

that is if you want to play in this game.

But even if you don't want to play the game, if you happen to have
a ticket, you will get plucked kicking and screaming, drug backwads
like in a monster movie into the fray.

UFOlogy, spirituality, religion, and all the rest, are just symptoms of
a process that happens every time..

I'm not really in a hurry to participate in it's final resolution, as that
leads to the Phenomenon taking it's ball and going home.. and that's
fine.. been there, done that, and have the T-shirt.

A mistake was made a while back.. certain parties thought that they
knew better than everyone else, and sought to "fix everyone",
without those someone's even realizing what was happening.

This mistake has nearly worked itself out now.. and I'm so glad..

Not all endings are supposed to be happy.

I'm willing to trade extemporaneous twilight speech with anyone
who needs it, but I think you'd have to come to my door.. there's
only so much appropriate for ATS.

i hope that clears some things up.

Now back to the regular season game, already in progress..

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

Yes, mirageman, you should stay on topic. The opening post mentions some Antoine Gigal, but you give no further data about who is she, what is she doing now or did in the past, or what does she really have to do with Mr. Bigelow. Do the homework if you wish to connect at least some key dots.

I don't know about others, but I'd love to hear more about
"the stargate conspiracy" and Joe Firmage and how all
that is connected.

I don't have the gifts to crunch serialized data that some
of you bright boys do.. I had to jettison most of that
ability and co-opt it for other purposes.

So.. sitting back with popcorn to enjoy.

Kev

Oh --- I'd like to remind.. that it doesn't matter if ANY
of the crazy stuff people believe is true or not.. rabidly
held beliefs program people to do all sorts of exotic
things.. so figuring out behaviors is valuable.. even if
the source is 'full of it'... the dots will still connect.

a reply to: Direne

Antoine is busy doing what she does so it seems. She is an interesting lady in her field.

www.ancientwisdomconferenceandtours.com...

a reply to: Baablacksheep

From reading her material there is no doubt that she
knows her mythology. Hell, I swear she might have
trained with my mentor 30 years ago, or at least
read his out of print books. I recognize some of
her verbage. Of course she might also be a student
of Dorothy Milne Murdock. Hard to say without
researching her.

But she's definitely well-informed.

Now.. in my mind, the only question is whether she's
pushing the ancient astronaut type stuff... whether
she's part of the "stargate conspiracy" gang, which
works with the alice bailey/arcane school/ hierarchy
world power faction

and whether she's linked up with Robert/Joe.

I don't have those answers.

But definitely a very interesting lady.

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: mirageman

Yes, mirageman, you should stay on topic. The opening post mentions some Antoine Gigal, but you give no further data about who is she, what is she doing now or did in the past, or what does she really have to do with Mr. Bigelow. Do the homework if you wish to connect at least some key dots.

"Rosalba's Blog"
"Antoine Gigal illustrated his extraordinary discoveries on the Egyptian pyramids, intended to rewrite the history of Egypt."

"Our friend Marina Lopez, Gigal's name of art, writer and archaeologist, is the soul of the project. Giancarlo and I met her a few years ago in a strange and apparently casual way, and we immediately discovered that we had many things in common, including some particular experiences that deeply united us."

Bio - Giza for Humanity : Brief Bio of Antoine

Paris UFO Conference? "Marine Lopez - European UFO Survey", which for all intents and purposes appears to actually be Antoine Gigel

Skinwalker Ranch (French) : Discusses Antoine Gigel specifically and the efforts to verify her "SWR Firefight" story



As with everything Phenomena related, there is quite a bit of obfuscation to wade through. In theory, this is Antoine (red arrow):

(Note: I'm having issues with image-hosting, so this link might be useless. It's a mystery.)

There are french forums/sites that seem to be under the impression that Antoine Gigal and Marine Lopez are the same individual, and one source portrays Antoine as male. I'm of the opinion that Antoine is most definitely a woman; perhaps it's an issue of translation. Several different sources point to the same "face" but with different names/titles. Why can't anything ever be clear-cut and plain, right?

No matter what gender one finds Antoine under, all sources agree he/she is prominent egyptologist and apparently now a French UFO researcher, but the latter is a bit tougher to source info on being that I can't one-click translate pdf files. Now one might wonder what interest a French Egyptologist might have in a paranormal Utah ranch, or what links in information there might be between pyramids and strange portals. To continue with KPB's musings about why FL would have such an interest in the Middle East...why are physicists and scientific researchers chasing breadcrumbs through the desert?

Finally, I too would love to hear about this Middle East stargate and the hubbub surrounding Giza. I dismissed it as some sort of Corey Goode-esque nonsense created for Youtube clicks but what do I know.

a reply to: ParticleNode

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