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Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

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posted on May, 3 2018 @ 06:28 AM
a reply to: Jukiodone

I disagree with Cameron when he says that all the articles released in December 2017 were coordinated by the US government. They all knew they were gonna run a UFO story but were probably waiting the NYT to drop the story first.

posted on May, 3 2018 @ 06:34 AM
a reply to: beetee

Tracey Garbutt is Richard Dolan's fiancée. So he's probably getting heavily into all of this 'consciousness' stuff too.

She seems to have quite a career.

Tracey Garbutt is an International Student from Canada studying Psychology and International Studies at USFSP. Her previous background training is in Advertising and design. Her previous careers included being a professional model in Toronto, a snowboard instructor in Whistler Canada, and a graphic artist for EA Sports. Her passions include the insatiable explorations of consciousness and the boundless beauty of the human spirit. She is the Founder and President of Big Sisters of Psychology USFSP helping students connect with each other in more meaningful ways while on their professional paths.

See :

Perhaps all this 'talk & study' about consciousness and brain functions could well be the last attempt to keep ufology afloat. If it's all 'in your head' then that means all these stories become none falsifiable.

posted on May, 3 2018 @ 09:56 AM
a reply to: mirageman

I like to talk about the physical aspects of the "Phenomenon", but I also like to
discuss the psychological ones.

You will notice that Religion has evolved, so that it's completely unfalsifiable?
Spirituality is close on the heels of religion in that regard.. I mean.. in the
1800's and early 1900's there were primitive attempts to falsify it.. and in fact
as far as early spiritism is involved, it WAS debunked. But then it evolved further
to escape the debunking.

The psychological portion of UFOlogy is certainly following the exact same
course.. as it is is the SAME THING as "spiritualism" and "religion".

Now lets go back to the physical for a moment..

Now as you know, apparently, a second service member will be getting
VA benefits due to "UAP exposure" or whatever the source really is..

Well, it's big news and all... but really... in another era or another country
(India mainly).. people died from "Kundlaini' all the time.

Their body ravaged with mass (hello... wakey wakey Dr. Nolan and others ignoring
me..) INFLAMMATION, sensations of electrical shock.. epileptic seizures.. sensations
of unbearable internal light... rampaging egoism (cough*) wild delusions.. etc,
and eventually broken bones, heart failures, etc. I personally have experienced
all of these symptoms, except heart failure..but my heart has had a very
irregular beat many times..

Now, while there may be a variety of things which help trigger "experiencer syndrome",
it's been well-known for something like 5000 years. Both the psychological and the
physical effects.

I want to bust all this crap WIDE OPEN. But others want to keep it classified.


posted on May, 3 2018 @ 11:08 AM
a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

I'm not adverse to there being some relatively spiffy black tech that is mistaken
sometimes for the 'real thing'.

IF there is any sort of collaboration between parts of the government/industrial
complex and "something else", it would be that the "government" (part of it) has
agreed to fly around fake UFOs, to further help the "critters" to convince people
that they are aliens in nuts and bolts craft, not what they really are.

of course humans love their death machines too.. I'm not saying there aren't
some devastating new breed of death machines flying around.. at least in

I will say again however.. that there is nothing more REAL looking, than when
our visual cortex/brain is hacked, and the "mythical core" of a human is directly

that BTUFO I interacted with seemed more real than my wife! It was just

It was in fact quite silly how many of them there were... and rivets!

Only of course, it wasn't 'real'.

So people can rant and rave and threaten me all they want... just cause
something looks like *something* that does NOT mean that it *is*

Nature is full of examples. This is is gradeschool level science here...
but it's a tough sell when people'e version of experiencer syndrome
has them programmed a certain way.

(but again.. sure.. there is *some* human stuff out there..)

Now on the water.. good thought... it's certainly a conductive

but not enough info to draw a conclusion.

Would your sighting have been flying from east to west?

that's another clue. I bet it wasn't.

I think that "paranormal btufo" tend to fly in that direction
when seen.

It's another clue.


posted on May, 3 2018 @ 11:36 AM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You don’t need to convince me of the opposite to be fair (but you probably know that). It’s just you mentioning the Belgian Triangle wave made me feel to provide some of my personal experience and the timeframe of the second wave that perhaps would ring a bell for some members.

It was south west to north east by the way. No correlation with the sun if I’m reading between the lines correctly

posted on May, 3 2018 @ 11:57 AM
a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

I knew ;-) we've spoken once or twice.
I almost always "speak over the head' of people to others.. as you know.

There's two issues with direction of flight path of course..

1) a sun avoidance path
2) retrograde orbit

From what i've noticed, many "supernatural BTUFO" don't come out until
dusk, at a minimum, if not at night. Those solar rays are pretty powerful
for weak little creatures playing mind games.

Now JV is quite interested in anything that flies retrograde.. as one of the
very first things to catch his interest was a retrograde satellite in 1961,
when such a thing should not have existed.

so I always ask about direction of flight path.

however i'm fairly certain now that these "effects" are not orbital.. and then
beamed down into our minds.. for a few reasons.. I think they actually do
hang around below the orbital level...

I do know that not everything is a "supernatural btufo". There are multiple
explanations possible.. including simple misidentification.


posted on May, 3 2018 @ 12:54 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

AATIP officially confirmed as an UFO study group :

posted on May, 3 2018 @ 01:02 PM
a reply to: TheMadScientist2

I like that Blurry Blue Lines site!

Good to know.

But really...

When it comes to entities (governments are entities too..)
Survival seems to be the #1 focus.
So more and bigger guns and more and better mind control
are *always* the focus.

How can you tell if a powerful group of rich people are lying?
Their lips are moving.

Hardly anyone fights and dies to help people... it's more
and bigger guns.. more and bigger mind control.


but information is definitely good!


posted on May, 3 2018 @ 01:51 PM
a reply to: TheMadScientist2

What's rather odd is that both of the alleged documents linked to the Aerospace Weapon System Applications program (AAWSA) appear to have been up on Corey Goode's Sphere Being Alliance website since 18th December 2017. The day after the NY Times Article. took a snapshot the day after (19th Dec 2017) which appears to confirm the date is correct for when these documents were added.

I don't consider Corey Goode's story to be much more than fantasy.

So what is going on here?

Also if you look on the Defense Technical Information Center website there are two very similar documents from 2004 written by the same author. Eric W Davis
edit on 3/5/2018 by mirageman because: addition to post

posted on May, 3 2018 @ 01:52 PM
a reply to: mirageman

At 29 minutes and 33 seconds he says that 99.9% aluminum
is impossible for us at our present level of technology.

Well, I can help him out there if he wants some more "magical aluminum".

Ultra-Pure that exhibit strong inertness and extreme hardness, applied in severe-service conditions requiring excellent strength, high operating temperatures. Typically use for critical applications that requires extreme tight tolerance. Excellent electrical insulators. 99.9% Alumimum is widely used in galvanizing one of the most used methods for protecting metal from corrosion. Forms: 2-5 Mesh Shot 50 Lb. Ingots Belmont Product Code 1008


So grant can just click on that link and then click on the "buy now button"
to get 50 pounds of 99.9% pure aluminum ingots.

As to the other claim about the microns in the "magical metamaterial"..
that's pure BS too.

I can hook Grant up big time...

So he buys the 50 pounds of 99.9% pure aluminum,
then he contacts this company:

As you can see, they will do various metals, down to 0.1 micron.. that's 30 times more
"magical" than the 3 microns he mentions.

So for maybe a thousand bucks, and by clicking on the internet, you could get some
"magical metal" nearly the same.

Now this does not address isotopic purity.. but Grant never brought that up... so just
based upon what he said.. pure nonsense.

I'm not attacking the gentleman or anyone else for that matter.. but geeze..
a little less snake oil and a little more science PaleazE!


posted on May, 3 2018 @ 02:15 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I couldn't watch the video because I just got bored of it. I guess Garbutt gets a lot of attention. Not necessarily because of what she has to say on the topics of right/left brain functions.

But good work Kev. Ufology seems to be about promoting a theory not solving anything then moving on and promoting another theory. And so it goes on. Story after story. Theory after facts checked no facts needed.

posted on May, 3 2018 @ 02:23 PM
a reply to: mirageman

Well as I keep saying.. all religions (anything philosophical and unprovable
that helps you get through the night) are this way.

A lot of people think they are religious experts.. or spiritual experts or
"UFO experts" and that helps them get through the night and put up with
an abusive boss, and not enough income or whatever their source of pain

On a very human level, that's what people want it for.

They don't want truth. Almost nobody alive wants "truth".

Now, because I was born deformed I guess... I want FACTS.

I don't want to have a soul.. or a spirit.. or a higher self..
I don't want to be rescued by aliens.. i'm perfectly content
to have humans go extinct.. they've earned it...

So please! Prove me wrong! I want to be wrong! All day long
and twice on Sunday.

None of this crap is my 'religion'.

But if you prove me wrong.. that's great.. because then I've
learned something... and that's all I want to do..
that and make a tiny difference before i go.. help hand out
some red pills.

I was my first "patient". It's been a very bumpy ride.

All that said.. I think i'm hot on the trail of some things...
and other people far smarter than me feel the same..

I wonder if we are ALL full of it? I hope to find out.


posted on May, 3 2018 @ 02:38 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You might enjoy this then Kev. I think it speaks for itself. Although maybe not to Grant Cameron in his head!

posted on May, 3 2018 @ 03:09 PM
a reply to: mirageman


I could probably help him out.

I think I've told this story before..

Something like 10 years ago, I had a buddy who had experiencer syndrome like 5x
worse than I did. He thought he was better than Jesus.. come to improve upon
his failure.

i was both impressed and horrified by the man. Sometimes we'd "link up with
each other and share thoughts (supposedly). Sometimes we'd go to alternate
realms together.. we'd compare notes on things we saw.

of course it could have been pure BS.

Well one day he absolutely astonished me with a claim.. he told me that he'd
been contacted by some Sufi Mystics, who had claimed that they had captured
a powerful djinn (in their lamp I guess) and that's it's name was PrettyBear.
They had never heard of a dJinn named that!

Well, I kid you not, I had a dream that previous night, that I was "out and about"
but that some guys in turbans had captured me and stuffed me into this stone jar!

It was a little annoying.. but I eventually was able to leave it.

I kid you not.

Now I can't verify that .. or what it actually means.. probably pure BS.

But I suppose I could arrange for something to talk in Grant's head..
maybe even me.. if I'm a "half djinn" like some crazy people
would claim.

It's quite a funny story.

But most people would say that he's asking for schizophrenia with auditory

I'd also like to note, that in the Kundalini Yoga tradition i was in..we were
instructed to ignore anything auditory.. that it would never be correct..
and it was good advice. now SIGHT is a much better sense sometimes..

If these people knew the crap I've been through, they wouldn't be asking
for any of the Bush Family Secret magic sauce. They would run off and
get a PH.D so that they could be respected.. maybe a hot wife and a puppy.


posted on May, 3 2018 @ 04:17 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That’s astounding Kev!

Really randomly, do you see any connection to the Self Actualisation movement? Or some similar technique in Scientology?

Do you think something similar could be attempted by remote viewers on targets? For instance Cameron?

What do you think of Corey Goode?

posted on May, 3 2018 @ 04:25 PM

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: TheMadScientist2

What's rather odd is that both of the alleged documents linked to the Aerospace Weapon System Applications program (AAWSA) appear to have been up on Corey Goode's Sphere Being Alliance website since 18th December 2017. The day after the NY Times Article. took a snapshot the day after (19th Dec 2017) which appears to confirm the date is correct for when these documents were added.

I don't consider Corey Goode's story to be much more than fantasy.

So what is going on here?

Also if you look on the Defense Technical Information Center website there are two very similar documents from 2004 written by the same author. Eric W Davis

Yeah the Corey Goode-story is insane.

posted on May, 3 2018 @ 04:32 PM
a reply to: TheMadScientist2

All these "cast of characters" have each other on speed dial
and probably a dedicated conference bridge.

posted on May, 3 2018 @ 04:42 PM
a reply to: ctj83

Most UFO entertainers are either massively self-deceived, or
are deceived from multiple sources in the world.

It's a slippery slope.. to have a "show" they need to be very open-minded
and to put guests on that people want to hear (or report about them).

Eventually they drink the cool aid, and become nearly worthless.

Scientology or some other movement?

Well you know that the Occult has been moving this whole thing along
from day one. We know that Hal Puthoff and others were deeply
involved with Scientology in the past.

I have no idea what is happening in the present.

"Remote viewing" to put something in his head?

Probably not.

As far as I know, here is how "psychic stuff" works;

1) A person knowingly or unknowingly goes through a symbiotic merging
with a "quantum vacua critter". There are good ones, there are bad ones.

2) The human is now deluded into thinking that they now have special powers
under their control. They may in fact have a few sporadic "power". But... its
not under their control.

3) The "critter" does whatever it wants to do.. it can be relatively friendly or
tear you apart. Sometimes psychic stuff works ... but generally the critter has
no interest in what the human wants... a few do.... but even then, the human
is often left holding the bag... this is the reason behind the "trickster" stuff.

4) There is a little "human spirituality" type stuff possible.. but it's not what people
think it is.. it's really more of the same.. on a longer time scale.. top Buddhists
might understand what I'm getting at.

So... I don't bother with any of that stuff really.. it's a trap overall.

Now RARELY, sometimes I find that I haven no free will but to do something..
in concert.. that's happened just a half dozen times in my life.

More commonly, I get "visions" that i don't want sometimes.. which i don't
trust.. but sometimes it leads me to something that I can verify with
science.. that the "semihuman good stuff" I was mentioning and a few
more things.

but it's not worth the price to try and get this stuff.

Live a happy life... and all this crap will sort itself out..

edit on 3-5-2018 by KellyPrettyBear because: (no reason given)

posted on May, 4 2018 @ 01:26 AM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What you saw was probably a hologram. Retrograde orbit is only valid if you see it moving at an orbital velocity. But if the object is moving noiselessly slow like a helicopter and less than 1000 ft above the ground in a westerly direction, it can hardly have anything to do with an orbit

posted on May, 4 2018 @ 06:34 AM
a reply to: TheMadScientist2

The Corey Goode story is highly controversial.

The strange thing is how those two documents were on his website so soon after the NY TImes printed the Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program.

What seems strange is only now are we being told about this AAWSA program being noticed as the official or parent project name for AATIP. When the documents used to pull this information together have been around 4 months on Corey Goode's site of all places.

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