Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: Hyperboles

Alright. Fair enough.

It's certainly possible that some of our own aircraft are using
interesting physics.

Personally, and I can't prove such a crazy-sounding possibility,
but it's my OPINION that organic creatures are in a galaxy
or Universe wide INTERDICT status.

So not just us, but no organics would be allowed to leave
their own holding pens (solar system).

If we were to get a good working star drive, it would be
interesting to see what the visible reaction would be,
if any.

We've all got crazy theories.. and it's our responsibility
to insist on proof, ESPECIALLY for our own theories,
so that we don't drown in our own BS.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

why though. why the quarantine?

in my theory it's all good what we do we still feed the machine with our antics whether it's here on earth or out there in the universe.

it's possible intelligent life isn't as abundant because it kills its self off. become machines. disinterested in what humans do. the universe is so vast and large they maybe aren't interested in their neighbors.

agreed though. humans choke ourselves with our own BS which is why by and large humans are a miserable lot.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

We are a "natural heritage site".

This is one of the few, EVER, planets, where plasma lifeforms
evolved from scratch, in symbiosis with biological lifeforms
which evolved from scratch.

We are very interesting. It's a big, seen it all, done it all Universe,
so we are one of the few bright spots.

Now people would argue that if we are that "interesting" that the
"galactic government" wouldn't let us destroy ourselves..

not true.

It's still an open argument whether our strain of life and symbiosis
is "viable".

While it (apparently) happened once around 10 billion years ago,
and then those QVL (quantum vacua lifeforms) rapidly colonized
the entire Universe,

it hasn't happened again.. not much..

So biologicals who independently evolved to have the neural
and (just as important) neurobiological (hormones, neutopepties
neutomodultors, etc) complexity to support symbiosis are
VERY RARE.

The universe COULD BE full of nuts and bolts ships as well..
(I don't think so... the real "life" is all non-physical) and it
wouldn't ever be allowed anywhere near us.

We are a nature preserve.

That's my observation anyway.

It really doesn't matter if it's true or not.. but all evidence
seems to support the QVL thing, and once that's confirmed,
the rest just falls into place easily.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

we may be unique but what of the possible life elsewhere that doesn't foster a symbiosis to sentient plasma. do they go on with life free to roam the universe being sentient, feeling, emotional. or are they no more than machines. cause minus our ability to be symbiotes I don't see much difference. the only difference I can foresee is that due to the interplay between us and any sentient plasma we can potentially make the experience a two way street. not quite god like powers or Jedi like abilities but an ability to alter the waveform around us. which could explain things like psychic and paranormal phenomena.

of course if this psuedointelligence is sentient enough it could realize it has the upper hand and in enters the control system to keep us lost in a labyrinth of our own miusguided thoughts and misperceptions. after all even we humans are afraid of letting AI get too powerful. we like the scale tipped in our favor leaving us in control.

another thing to consider. the QLFs might be like bacteria, with a collective conscious (but not individually) and ultimately doesn't care what the creatures of the universe do. just so long as they continue to thrive in the substrate.


I'm interested though as to why you think humans are special. my personal ego says "of course we are" my personal experience is that were just mediocre. well i am at least.

as for nuts n bolts vehicles. I say lesser life forms such as humans may attempt and succeed at doing just that to sail across the universe like galleons crossing the atlantic. but eventually people invent the "internet" and can virtually travel anywhere or at least communicate anywhere at any time. advanced enough life could opt for that. who cares if theyre physically there just so long as they are mentally there in real time communicating. maybe psychically riding the EM waveform of the vacuum is just the thing advanced intelligences use for space travel and then use/exploit the plasma psuedosentience to create "tulpas" at the destination to do physical work in lieu of them not being there. a way to recreate themselves as avatars at the destination. maybe that's humanities future too.. maybe we're unique cause we can sorta do it naturally without having to resort to millennia of discovery to be able to do it like everyone else.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Good points that i've thought about too.

Why do I think we are a nature preserve?

The worst possible reason imaginable..
I was riding the QVL network and observed
that was the case..

I don't do that kind of stuff anymore..i'm
retired now.. it's taken all my will to shake
off the "experiencer syndrome" I had been
infected with. I dont' want to bring it back.

Now..

I fully concur with you about the telepresence thing..

"real FTL" is too expensive ... and might even be impossible..
at least on any scale.

I'd say that most advanced physical civilizations just ride
the QVL network like I did.. except much more skillfully
and with more immersion.. both naturally... like a shaman
can do.. and with technology.

Frankly, when I say that maybe there is a nuts and bolts craft
11 galaxies over, i was dead serious.. and it's making it's way
some 30 light years to the next star.. it won't ever get there
while I'm alive. it's pretty slow.

But I don't do that sort of thing anymore.. and it might have all
been a fantasy that I thought i was really doing that.

But the COLD HARD FACTS, that remote telepresnce over FTL
commmunication) will ALWAYS be the most logical, the most
economic and especially the SAFEST way to see the Universe,
for biologicals, hybrids or QVL alike is hard to argue.

This whole star-trek thing that humans fantasize about is
quite comical.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I knew once a Buddhist monk who said he did just that via intense meditation a few times a month. said he talked to life elsewhere via the telepresence mechanism.

one thing to consider. Iit the plasma sentience is clever enough it would interdict your perceptions in meditation too. the earth is a nature preserve for a unique phenomena could have been a ruse too. part of the control loop. maybe the sentience is trying to do damage control the same way we do to bacteria or viruses. keep a spreading problem of sentient biologicals across the galaxy under control.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

This is a very interesting discussion with excellent points from you and KPB. I would be surprised if an external intelligence didn't have some form of quarantine in place, if not to "contain" another species/intelligence at least to protect itself from "contamination". Just as biological/organic creatures can become invasive to foreign flora/fauna, information systems can also be corrupted through the introduction of external influence. Our very thinking - our memetic constructs - could be (and should be) considered a virus by another species.

I'm only 50% sold on the idea extraterrestrial intelligences (solid matter or otherwise) are visiting ranches in Utah and playing tag with fighter jets.
I'm 100% sold on the idea we are at least being observed using a variety of physical and non-physical methods.

I think everyone here, no matter what newsletter they subscribe to, believes that something has been paying attention to us. I believe that for each individual the "expression" is so subjective that one might argue sightings are custom-tailored to the observer. That is what fascinates me about SWR; there are events being played out like an orchestrated performance. We're stuck looking for a conductor but we're not even sure the music isn't pre-recorded and being broadcast from an inter-dimensional basement.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I fail to see a major difference between us being a nature preserve
and us being dangerous biologicals who are lied to, to be contained.

either way we are locked up.

Of course I only see what I'm supposed to see and it could be
a complete lie.

That's why I don't bother anymore.

But even primitives like us will eventually figure out pieces
of this puzzle.

For example what I'm saying disagrees with most of human
thought, except for a few Buddhists.

And it's very uncomfortable and not "glorifying to the human
animal".

So think it's much more likely to be true.

But ya know.. here I am posting on ATS, the loony bin..
not working at major University, or as part of some cutting
edge group of scientists like I wish that I was.

Kev

a reply to: ParticleNode

Thanks for the nice reply.

I think about it like this..

if the #1 thing is that we must not be allowed to know the truth..
even though i'm certain a few of us are hot in the trail of it..

then anything that happens is a combination of our unconscious
mind spraying out insanity on the QVLN,

and some of the QVL having fun playing with the primitives out of
boredom.

I don't think it's any more complex than that.. and that is the most
we may ever understand about our place in the Universe.

For many, it’s just so hard to accept any objective facts about any kind of God or alien suzerainty over us.

Why...

I mean, like our friends, the Buddhists say, such phenomenon is just not observable, no empirical substance to get a hold of and bite on.

And basically, if it were some truth to it, then it's irrelevant.


If this superior power wants to be so invisible then so be it, we can’t in good conscious acknowledge it if it wants to hide.


And the reality is that even the believers don’t really believe in God, they believe in a theory of God

Getting back on track somewhat;

There are numerous things that bother me with TTSA and AATIP.

What happened to all of TDL contacts that were uncovered in the podesta emails? At the TTSA unveil, we had a different cast of characters completely.

The AATIP programs "A" and what it stands for has been debated, incorrectly reported and even greenwald has pretty much been stonewalled through his FOIA requests on said program.

The chain of custody of the videos and it's still unclear who released them,apparently there's 3 more incoming and also longer versions of already released vids, bit we will see on that front especially as some of them have already been seen by some within the "ufo community"; that for me already raises a red flag. If I was doing a misinformation campaign I would goto the leading members of the community first, as they would buy into it and spread the message I wanted them too.

The reports in the politico article and the post stating the "unknown alloys" which is ridiculous, as well all know through isotopic ratio analysis that any metal can be identified.

These aren't all my problems, but these are the top issues that need to be addressed in my opinion.

All in all, I believe it's all a huge misinformation campaign with a tiny shred of truth like of which has always been played out. Our friend zondo specialised in cointelpro......

I have a thirst for the truth, but I haven't already decided what I believe that truth is. I try and look with an unbiased view on what is presented and what conclusions I can take from that. I think alot of people struggle as they already think they know the answer and try and fit the question to match.

I just believe that we are being taken for a ride....the interesting part is why? Why goto these length, or is it simply an experiment.

I'll stop there before my brain reaches implodes, it's one hell of a muddy murky swamp.

Rant over lol

a reply to: Willtell

And the reality is that even the believers don’t really believe in God, they believe in a theory of God

That's a really great (and true observation).

Now the "trap" in both Shamanism and Kundalini Yoga, which i practiced and studied for decades,
is that you are presuming that you really are awakening a divine-like power and/or taking into
your body external life forms.

During processes like this.. you will note your heart stop beating.. your body temperature rocked up
or down 10 degrees.. parts of your body act like they are "possessed".. you'll even hear bones cracking
in your head at one point.

It's all "quite a show".

So you become convinced that you are on another level entirely than the armchair metaphysics
people.. and maybe you are... but "up one level" when there are infinite levels doesn't mean
much.

It's remotely possible that all those effects are just "conversion disorder".

I hope you see that I've been working on debunking myself just as thoroughly as I debunk
others.. that's why I'm as free of "experiencer disease" to the degree that I am.

I don't have any final final final conclusions either.

Kev

a reply to: Willtell

Robert Weiss and McCasland probably backed off after the wikileaks dump. I've always felt that this is the 'B-Team' so to speak. Time will tell if the big boys will ever come out and say something. The very fact that people with such credentials ever even had contact with TDL about such matters is very interesting in itself.

a reply to: Smugallo

who are the "big boys" in your view?

Kev

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Hyperboles

My bestie is a physicist for NIST in MD.

Ask your question and I shall forward it to him.

Thanks My ques are on page 354 and 355 here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Hyperboles

Alright. Fair enough.

It's certainly possible that some of our own aircraft are using
interesting physics.


Kev

I am fairly certain the physics I am on about is not of this world, but being played out in our world.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

General McCasland and Robert Weiss were at least 2 of his alleged original team, I have no idea who the other guys are.

a reply to: pigsy2400

No real answers are forthcoming. No one at the US DoD has confirmed much at all beyond the fact that AATIP existed and it produced a lot of paperwork but nothing much of substance. FOIA requests are turning up nothing of use or are delayed. As regards Chain of Custody (CoC), I have never actually seen one included with a FOIA request or released government document. So do these actually exist? If so why don't the boys at TTS AAS reveal their CoCs on their website?

Everything is questionable. Even the Wikileaks emails only mentioned McCasland, Carey and Weiss. We saw no correspondence between them. All the emails came from DeLonge to Podesta.

Maybe it's a massive marketing exercise for an Alternative Reality Game? Maybe we are already unwitting bit part players in it? Nobody knows for sure.

a reply to: Hyperboles

Hi Hyperbole. It is said (by an Orb) that when a photon is created it winks out for "us". (What is missing from our world is in your world and visa versa)

Unrelated: why she does not use a door: "collections of atoms are for passing through." (As if nothing is there.)

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: Hyperboles

Hi Hyperbole. It is said (by an Orb) that when a photon is created it winks out for "us". (What is missing from our world is in your world and visa versa)

Unrelated: why she does not use a door: "collections of atoms are for passing through." (As if nothing is there.)

It is some orthogonal field to our world which I am still trying to figure out