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posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 07:12 PM
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But first; what is it that you don't understand Croat56?




posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 08:18 PM
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So being gay is mental?



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 05:04 PM
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Oh wow!
That first link you posted Truth, that is so funny!!!
I need the laugh, thanks.

Really, why does it matter to you whether or not your God creates homosexuals?

If we are doomed to hell, then there is nothing you can do to help us. Just let us go in our own sinful, damned way.

If it's a sin, then just avoid it. If you think you shouldn't be gay then don't be. Why does it matter to you if I am?

If I believed in the Christian Bible I would have to become a Satanist. He appears to be incredibly powerful, much more so than God. He can actually enter my body and just take over my life, God must wait until I invite him, pray to him, work for him, study him, etc.

I really am not intolerant to Christians, and I know my post probably comes across as disrespectful, but that whole possessed by the devil thing really was funny.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 08:01 PM
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God creates all, "wrong" or "right". Of course exactly what right and wrong depends on is human, subjective telling. Jesus's message was simple: To serve God's people is to serve God himself. Anything that deviates from this is simply human, especially the invention of fear, which as we know leads to every other negative aspect of humanity... ahhh, to be human...




[edit on 20-2-2005 by Pandoras Box]



posted on Mar, 24 2005 @ 12:07 AM
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Interesting perspective^^^.

How exactly does it apply to this topic.....



posted on Mar, 24 2005 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Pandoras Box
God creates all, "wrong" or "right". Of course exactly what right and wrong depends on is human, subjective telling. Jesus's message was simple: To serve God's people is to serve God himself. Anything that deviates from this is simply human, especially the invention of fear, which as we know leads to every other negative aspect of humanity... ahhh, to be human...




That is from the book of Pandora
II Opinions 6:15-19
God creates all, "wrong" or "right". Of course exactly what right and wrong depends on is human, subjective telling. Jesus's message was simple: To serve God's people is to serve God himself. Anything that deviates from this is simply human, especially the invention of fear, which as we know leads to every other negative aspect of humanity... ahhh, to be human

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As opposed to the bible.



posted on Mar, 24 2005 @ 06:28 PM
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If there is a creator, then yes they would be responsible for the creation of homosexuals. "There might be a little fag in us all." -Adawee the Wind

Why are people so concerned with the sexual preference of another? Get over it, people.



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 12:21 PM
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Did God create homosexuals? Well...isn't God suuposed to have created everything? Then, it would be logical that he created homosexuals too!! What do you think created them? Do you think he only created the things that "society" deems "acceptable?" And...what is society and what does acceptable mean??



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 07:22 PM
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Here is an actual explanation of how The Most High does NOT create homosexuality, rape, lust, etc.


From my first post in this thread:




Originally posted by Tamahu
No, The Divine does not create Homosexuality; the Ego does.

The Esoteric Science of Kabbalah can shed some light on this.


Do the knowledge in this thread:

www.gnosis-usa.com...

A quote:


J.C. wrote
First of all, it is worth noting that the Kabbalistic analysis of the number of priests (4392) is 18: "Twilight," related to Black Magic and secret enemies. VERY interesting.



R. wrote
1. The Creator who created all things created homosexuality.



This is in conflict with the teachings of Gnosis. Creation occurs as a ray that descends from the Absolute. That Ray unfolds according to the Law of the Octave, i.e. in seven steps. The further away from the root, the Absolute (1 law), the more complicated things become. (This is well explained on the gnostickabbalah.com site). Creation occurs all along that octave, in accordance with the laws: there is creation in the world of 1 law, in the world of 3 laws, in the world of 6 laws, etc. However, the further away from the root, the more complicated the resulting creation and likewise the further away from the Will of the Father.

For example, in the world of 24 laws (Hod) the Angels are in charge and act in accordance with Divine Will, but as modified by the world of 24 laws: therefore there is mechanicity to a certain degree and room for error. This is how even the gods make mistakes: they act as best they can, but not all of their actions correspond with the Perfection above. Therefore, they accrue a special kind of karma called Katancia.

We in the physical world are under the rule of 48 laws, or even more depending upon our psyche. Humanity, being filled with ego, is controlled by the laws that rule over the ego. Therefore a very degenerated ego, belonging to a very low level of the Abyss, will be very complicated and very dense and ruled by many laws. THAT SAME EGO CREATES: but it creates pain, suffering, degeneration, confusion, ignorance, etc.

Therefore, we must understand that GOD has not created pornography, or abortion, or rape, or homosexuality: MAN HAS CREATED THESE THINGS because mankind is ruled by the ego: desire, lust, pride, etc.

Creation occurs according to the Ray of Creation and the Laws of each Cosmos.

God the Creator does not create directly in the physical world: Laws are established and those laws unfold into more laws, etc. In each level are those intelligences responsible for managing creation. But in the physical world, mankind has failed to establish itself as Malachim: Kings and Queens of Nature, ruling over creation in this level. Instead, we are ruled by DESIRE, and through DESIRE we create SUFFERING.

Homosexuality is the result of excessive desire for sensation built over many lifetimes. This is why all the ancient religions forbade it. Only the degenerated "religions" practiced homosexuality, and they are the ones who are punished by the Law through many types of suffering.

Obviously, the abuse of children by priests is a terrible crime, and it is clear that such behaviors are due to deep psychological darkness. It would be marvelous if those priests could be introduced to the teachings of Gnosis, but it is not likely, as the modern church is completely opposed to it, believing mistakenly that they already have the complete teaching.


R. wrote
9. Some of the Romans know of other ways to awaken the Kundalini WITHOUT "Arcanum AZF" - but we draw a blank on how many of their priests are aware of this.


Some of the members of the Roman Catholic church may know of ways to awaken without the Arcanum A.Z.F. (White Tantra) but this form of awakening is 100% BLACK. It is very clear in the teachings of Samael Aun Weor that:

1. to awaken positively one MUST work with a spouse of the opposite sex.

2. to awaken positively requires the retention of the sexual energy.

best regards.




Samael Aun Weor wrote
"The struggle of many monks, nuns, anchorites, pseudo-yogis, etc., to bottle up sex within their religious fanaticism, to confine it to the prison of their penitence, to muzzle it or sterilize it, to prohibit all creative manifestation, etc., converts the fanatics into a slave of their own passions. They become slaves of sex, incapable of thinking about anything other than sex. These are the ones who are fanatic about sex. These are the degenerates ones of infra-sexuality. These people discharge their energy every night with disgusting nocturnal emissions or acquire homosexual vices or masturbate miserably. Wanting to confine sex is like wanting to bottle up the sun. A man like this is the most abject slave of sex without any benefit or true pleasure. A man like this is an unhappy sinner."

Quoted from The Perfect Matrimony



A couple more threads on this subject:

www.gnosis-usa.com...

www.gnosis-usa.com...







[edit on 29-3-2005 by Tamahu]



posted on Mar, 31 2005 @ 04:00 AM
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wow tamahu, you seem very knowlegable. i like many of the things Samuel Aun Weor writes but what makes him an athority? are these just his personal musings? granted, they are insightful..

anyways - as i understand it God did not directly create homosexuality, however he provided the free-agency and thus the potential for homosexuality and any other vice that taints us humans.

sounds logical to me.





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