Does God creat homosexuals?

This is a very, very good and insightful link aout the truth of homosexual's and scriptural passages that
completely disprove of it.


www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com...

No, The Divine does not create Homosexuality; the Ego does.

The Esoteric Science of Kabbalah can shed some light on this.


Do the knowledge in this thread:

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A quote:

First of all, it is worth noting that the Kabbalistic analysis of the number of priests (4392) is 18: "Twilight," related to Black Magic and secret enemies. VERY interesting.

1. The Creator who created all things created homosexuality.

This is in conflict with the teachings of Gnosis. Creation occurs as a ray that descends from the Absolute. That Ray unfolds according to the Law of the Octave, i.e. in seven steps. The further away from the root, the Absolute (1 law), the more complicated things become. (This is well explained on the gnostickabbalah.com site). Creation occurs all along that octave, in accordance with the laws: there is creation in the world of 1 law, in the world of 3 laws, in the world of 6 laws, etc. However, the further away from the root, the more complicated the resulting creation and likewise the further away from the Will of the Father.

For example, in the world of 24 laws (Hod) the Angels are in charge and act in accordance with Divine Will, but as modified by the world of 24 laws: therefore there is mechanicity to a certain degree and room for error. This is how even the gods make mistakes: they act as best they can, but not all of their actions correspond with the Perfection above. Therefore, they accrue a special kind of karma called Katancia.

We in the physical world are under the rule of 48 laws, or even more depending upon our psyche. Humanity, being filled with ego, is controlled by the laws that rule over the ego. Therefore a very degenerated ego, belonging to a very low level of the Abyss, will be very complicated and very dense and ruled by many laws. THAT SAME EGO CREATES: but it creates pain, suffering, degeneration, confusion, ignorance, etc.

Therefore, we must understand that GOD has not created pornography, or abortion, or rape, or homosexuality: MAN HAS CREATED THESE THINGS because mankind is ruled by the ego: desire, lust, pride, etc.

Creation occurs according to the Ray of Creation and the Laws of each Cosmos.

God the Creator does not create directly in the physical world: Laws are established and those laws unfold into more laws, etc. In each level are those intelligences responsible for managing creation. But in the physical world, mankind has failed to establish itself as Malachim: Kings and Queens of Nature, ruling over creation in this level. Instead, we are ruled by DESIRE, and through DESIRE we create SUFFERING.

Homosexuality is the result of excessive desire for sensation built over many lifetimes. This is why all the ancient religions forbade it. Only the degenerated "religions" practiced homosexuality, and they are the ones who are punished by the Law through many types of suffering.

Obviously, the abuse of children by priests is a terrible crime, and it is clear that such behaviors are due to deep psychological darkness. It would be marvelous if those priests could be introduced to the teachings of Gnosis, but it is not likely, as the modern church is completely opposed to it, believing mistakenly that they already have the complete teaching.

9. Some of the Romans know of other ways to awaken the Kundalini WITHOUT "Arcanum AZF" - but we draw a blank on how many of their priests are aware of this.

Some of the members of the Roman Catholic church may know of ways to awaken without the Arcanum A.Z.F. (White Tantra) but this form of awakening is 100% BLACK. It is very clear in the teachings of Samael Aun Weor that:

1. to awaken positively one MUST work with a spouse of the opposite sex.

2. to awaken positively requires the retention of the sexual energy.

best regards.

Samael Aun Weor wrote
"The struggle of many monks, nuns, anchorites, pseudo-yogis, etc., to bottle up sex within their religious fanaticism, to confine it to the prison of their penitence, to muzzle it or sterilize it, to prohibit all creative manifestation, etc., converts the fanatics into a slave of their own passions. They become slaves of sex, incapable of thinking about anything other than sex. These are the ones who are fanatic about sex. These are the degenerates ones of infra-sexuality. These people discharge their energy every night with disgusting nocturnal emissions or acquire homosexual vices or masturbate miserably. Wanting to confine sex is like wanting to bottle up the sun. A man like this is the most abject slave of sex without any benefit or true pleasure. A man like this is an unhappy sinner."

Quoted from The Perfect Matrimony

A couple more threads on this subject:

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PEACE

thats not true. The acts of the (freemasonic) preist who rape kids are not catholic. We do teach the greatness that can come from
celibacy which is total union and focus on Christ and the church, giving your life for that purpose.


many saints were virgins who did this, yet they escaped the false teaching of the church.


The church doesnt force celibacy on anybody, we chose it for ourselves, and we know who do chose it that through his
(super) natural graces (holy) spirit he will give us these graces to overcome temptation baised on our will to be celibate.




Those preist are evil infiltrators, they have no respect for God nor the church, they are the farthest thing from catholic then any atheist alive because they enter the preisthood knowing what they are going to
carry out. true preist who vow their lives to God get blamed for these evil mens actions.



Its amazing, that alot of people in here is so learned but also so hard headed.

How can scripture say that whoever scandalizes a child is better off dead, and yet you call
these men preist who do the exact same thing this verse says not to do?


they are evil hypocrites. Not preist.



Also scripture tells virgins that it would be recommended they stay how they are so they
can focus on God, so how can celibacy be evil? Its scriptural and its a choice.






Oh well, I just don't get peoples understanding of the simplest things, truly don't.





[edit on 14-2-2005 by Truth]

Vices and defects(egos) are a product of The Klipoth.

Klipoth are the Fallen Sephiroth - the Abyss.



These sephiroth are shells, empty vessels, because they do not contain any divine attributes.

All the forces are inverted: "The demon is God inverted."

The forces related to the Tree of Life invert when in the abyss.

Evil below, Good above, in relation to duality.

We have to use our imagination; imagine a landscape, a quiet lake, and a tree on the shore. The tree is reflected in the lake. Which is the Tree and which is the reflection? They both look the same.

The following will explain the origins of that which many call "Evil"(The Second Noble Truth of Buddhism or "Origin of Suffering") in a religious, yet scientific manner; free of religious-fanaticism.


Klipoth Introduction pt 1

The Holy Spirit, Binah (Hebrew), means Understanding.

Its opposite is Subtle Stupidity; Lilith (also Nahemah, related to fornication and adultery).

Lilith is violence against nature:


Using the energy of the Holy Spirit through wrong channels, such as in homosexuality.
The abuse of sex through crimes like abortion.
The hatred of sex, as in so-called "celibacy."

When we transmute our sexual energy into Light, then we receive Understanding and Intelligence.

In Fornicators the energy is transformed into Subtle Stupidity.

Lilith is the opposite of Anael (the Angel of Love):

Lilith is hatred/violence in sexuality.

There are many souls identified with Lilith.

The Holy Spirit acts through sex, and so we must know how to respect sex.

This section goes into detail regarding homosexuality.

Klipoth 7: Saturn

And the enemies of the Holy Spirit hate the cross - how are they called? There are many levels of this type of hatred, but the most well known person is Dracula.

Who is Dracula? A vampire - a type of psychological defect, a lustful defect, which is related with homosexuality. A male vampire is a homosexual, and a female vampire is a lesbian, in the physical world. They hate the cross, because the cross is the crossing of the masculine force with the feminine force in the sexual act. The phallus united with the uterus makes the cross. This is why male and female vampires hate the cross.

Those vampires are the egos of lust of homosexuals and lesbians. So there are as many male and female vampires as homosexuals and lesbians in the world - those egos that like to suck the energy of those that are "normal."

In a similar way as the ego of anger likes to fight and argue, the ego of homosexuality and lesbianism likes to suck the energy and hates the cross, and gives a lot of justifications in order to justify its hatred of the cross. That is why they are enemies of the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit works in the cross, makes life in the cross.

The Holy Spirit is that wisdom, that intelligence, that unites two atoms of hydrogen with one atom of oxygen, crosses them, and in that cross the Holy Spirit makes water, and thanks to the water we are alive.

In every single union, or crossing of elements, is what is nature. The Holy Spirit is always creating different types of life with the crossing of elements. The sperm and the ovum, or the water etc, are always the result of the cross.

The cross is a holy symbol.



That is why Jesus was crucified on the cross - because he was sacrificing himself in order to give life, through the cross.

That's why it is stupid when you know the knowledge to say that Jesus also accepts homosexuals and gives them eternal life, to say that they will be saved. Homosexuals and lesbians are rotten seeds, spiritually speaking. Why? Because they do not germinate, not even physically.

Homosexual marriages adopt children because they cannot create life, they have given up creating life, because they hate the cross, physically speaking. So how are they going to create internal light, internal life, how are they going to make light in the darkness when they justify their homosexuality and lesbianism? They are lost cases. Not because we say so, but because they cannot even make life physically, let alone internally. They hate the cross. In order to make light in the darkness you need to worship the cross, but not just believing in it, but working in it, in the Holy Sabbath. But the homosexuals and lesbians are enemies of the Holy Spirit, they violate the Sabbath and follow Lilith, those who hate the Holy Spirit and love Laila, the Night.

In the Seventh Sphere of Hell, controlled by 672 laws, we find those souls who are violent against the Holy Spirit.

There are many ways to perform violence against the Holy Spirit, but the worst way is in the way of homosexuality. They violate their sexual organs, using the Tabernacle of the Holy Spirit in the wrong way and hating the cross.

But also there is violence against nature in those who masturbate, they commit violence against their own body, against life, against the Holy Spirit.

Castration is violence against the Holy Spirit. There are many kinds of castration in these times - we find, for instance, women that cut their fallopian tubes - the female organs are the Holy Tabernacle of Jehovah Elohim, where the Holy Spirit creates life in their body...

PEACE

good Lord help us all, I think ive reached insanity.


" The stupid, hate for sex (celibacy) "



You have to be kidding me. Its a choice to give up pleasure for the good of the kingdom because pleasure lead to further possesion, which leads to your focus not
on God but on the flesh.


Thats true Love, Holy spirit.


" Sex is the act of the holy spirit "


Yea when one is married to one wife who are united forever, yet sex doesnt get in their way from worshipping their God, its an act of love and to creat kids.



Is fornication an act of the holy spirit?


celibacy is not hate of sex, but a sacrafice. I would love to fall in love with a women myself and have kids, but I chose celibacy for God so i can focus on him more, yet I
don't hate sex. god created it. You just assume celibate people hate sex, which is insane, because of a crazy teaching that is absolutely false.



Unbelievable.

What?

I said free of religious fanaticism.


How does any of what you said have to do with what I posted?


Celibacy?


Chastity or Solar Brahmacharya, is of The Divine.

Lunar Brahmacharya leads to suffering.


Celibates are considered enemies of the Holy Spirit, because they hate sex and as a result end up being Infrasexuals.

They are fanatics.


There is a difference between Chastity and Celibacy.

Those who practice Solar Brahmacharya, practice White-Tantra with a spouse in Chastity; meaning that they renounce Animal-Desire(Orgasm).

One however, should remain Celibate through means of Transmutation breathing exercises and meditation; until the day arrives that their Priestess-Wife appears.

I guess you missed this:

Samael Aun Weor wrote
"The struggle of many monks, nuns, anchorites, pseudo-yogis, etc., to bottle up sex within their religious fanaticism, to confine it to the prison of their penitence, to muzzle it or sterilize it, to prohibit all creative manifestation, etc., converts the fanatics into a slave of their own passions. They become slaves of sex, incapable of thinking about anything other than sex. These are the ones who are fanatic about sex. These are the degenerates ones of infra-sexuality. These people discharge their energy every night with disgusting nocturnal emissions or acquire homosexual vices or masturbate miserably. Wanting to confine sex is like wanting to bottle up the sun. A man like this is the most abject slave of sex without any benefit or true pleasure. A man like this is an unhappy sinner."

Quoted from The Perfect Matrimony

PEACE

For example:

The Transmutation of Sexual Energy (2)

Poisonioonoskirian Vibrations - These are emanations or energies resulting from the mixture of the sexual semen with human excrement. This produces a horrible energy that rises to the brain, thereby rotting it completely.

Clearly, either the Sacred Sperm is either used for reproduction of the race, or it is not.

We are faced with a basic question of the utmost importance: if the sperm is not used for reproduction of the race and it is not transmuted either, but there is only abstinence, a forced celibacy and nothing else, that sperm then will involute (in a woman the sexual secretions will involute; what I am saying applies to women, too).

Involution of the sexual secretions produces certain malignant vibrations, known in esotericism as “Poisonioonoskirian Vibrations.”

Already poisoned by evil Poisonioonoskirian Vibrations, any abstaining person undergoes horrific catastrophes in his biology, physiology and psyche. Some individuals build up fat in their bodies, while in others it turns into something different and makes them become scraggy, thin as a rake, covered by pimples, with marks on the skin, etc. Now from a psychological point of view, the involuting sperm produces a personal idiosyncrasy: on the one hand, it becomes extreme fanaticism, and on the other hand, very highly expert cynicism.

Let us look at the men of the Middle Ages, the great inquisitors: abstaining, celibate, fat individuals, loaded with fat, real pigs; others thin, gaunt, ugly, horrible, with their skin full of spots. After they burned a victim at the stake, or tortured him, you could see their cynicism, their eyes were glittering with fanaticism.

So, in that kind of person we find on the one hand fanaticism taken to the extreme, and on the other hand disconcerting cynicism. After burning an innocent victim, they would shrug their shoulders and justify themselves in a really cynical way.

Involution of the sperm, involution of the sexual secretions, is really something very plausible and not to be recommended at all. Everything in nature is continuous, and obviously the Sperm needs to follow its path for animal reproduction or be converted into energy by transmutation.

People who do not transmute the Sacred Sperm and allow it to involute with the absurd practice of celibacy or sexual abstinence inevitably become charged with those terribly malignant Poisonioonoskirian Vibrations and, in the long run, put the abominable Kundartiguator Organ, “Satan’s tail,” into activity (an atom in the coccyx directs the creative force downwards, which internally becomes a kind of satanic tail or appendix).

So misfortune is always the result of such absurd abstinence. The Consciousness of those people is asleep. If it were awake, they would be able to check for themselves, through direct experience, the enormous activity of the malignant Poisonioonoskirian Vibrations in their Lunar Bodies (the ghostly bodies people at present have in the higher dimensions of nature) and they would eventually see with unspeakable terror the horrific development of the Kundartiguator Organ in their submerged animal natures.

The Sexual Force always has a way of manifesting outwardly, unless we learn to Transmute; either through Sexual Magic(without fornication or spillage of the semen) or through Pranayama Transmutation.

That qoute is pure baloni.

Thats just not true, and I can attest to this myself. If you chose celibacy until you die than you are sacraficing (pleasure) in anything
on this earth, for eternal happiness.


who does not want pleasure? Thats ultimate love and faith, to sacrafice your desires and pleasure for the Lord and the kingdom.




Your qoute only happens to people who are possed by their own wanting to be, not by force. Like I said many saints were virgins who never had sex even till death and gave their life to God.



Apoc 14:4


144,000


" these are they who were not defiled with women: for they are virgins. these follow the lamb whithersoever he goeth. these were
(purchased) from among men, the (firstfruits) of God and to the lamb "




it goes on to say in their mouth was found no lie, they were without spot before the throne of God.




Your completely wrong on this sir.

God bless.


[edit on 14-2-2005 by Truth]

You only offer conjecture.


Some of these Saints may not have married.

But they were probably Transmuting with Pranayama, as to not let their Sexual Fluids/Force degenerate.

This is known as the Intermediate Path.

There's nothing wrong with this, however they will have to reincarnate as to finish The Work, and follow either The Spiral Path of the Arhat; or The Straight Path of The Bodhisattva as to incarnate Christ like Yeshua and Buddha did.

The latter two paths are said to require Tantric Marriage between Husband and Wife.



PEACE

" they will have to reincarnate "


wow that says it all. I don't believe you. the bible also says that once you die your eternity is fixed, you either go to heaven, hell, or purgatory. not reincarnate, so i don't
believe you.



peace.

These are they who were not defiled with women: for they are virgins. These follow the lamb whithersoever he goeth.

"These are they who were not defiled with women(they did not fornicate during the Sexual Act):
For they are virgins(meaning that they were Chaste because they did not spill their seed). These follow The Lamb whithersoever he goeth.(because The Christ is Omnipresent in All of creation, and these men are always in rememberence of Christ within from moment to moment, and are sacrificing themselves from moment to moment)."

No, your interpreting scripture how you want to fit your ideas.


He speaks of them following the lamb in the vision.


" for they (are) vrigins "

Not


" for they (were) virgins "



he speaks of them in his vision already dead following christ.


The verse begins with the vision of jesus on mount sion with the virgins following him, already dead with christ.




People keep interpreting scripture on their own to fit their ideas, its just not true.


peace.

Originally posted by Truth

" they will have to reincarnate "


wow that says it all. I don't believe you. the bible also says that once you die your eternity is fixed, you either go to heaven, hell, or purgatory. not reincarnate, so i don't
believe you.



peace.

Fine.


Blind believers and fanatics are no help to anyone.

Those who settle for Profane interpretations of The Holy Texts, remain stagnant.


Snack on this:

Enemies of The Holy Spirit(i.e. Homosexuals, fornicators, forced Celibates, prostitutes, etc.) are bound for The Abyss due to their grave Karma.

Behold:

The Abyss

"Kabbalistic traditions state that Adam had two wives: Lilith and Nahemah. Lilith is the mother of abortions, homosexuality and in general, all kinds of crimes against Nature. Nahemah is the mother of malignant beauty, passion and adultery.

Thus, the abyss is divided into two large regions: the spheres of Lilith and Nahemah. Infrasexuality reigns sovereign in these two large regions.


The Sphere of Lilith

In the infrasexual sphere of Lilith abide those who hate sex, for example, monks, anchorites, preachers of pseudo-esoteric type sects, pseudo-yogis who abhor sex, nuns, etc. All such infrasexual people, by the mere fact that they are infrasexual, often have an affinity with people of intermediate sexuality. Thus, it is not difficult to find homosexuality within many convents, religions, sects and schools of a pseudo-esoteric type. Infrasexual people consider themselves to be highly superior to those of normal sexuality. They are disdainful of people of normal sexuality, considering them inferior. All of the taboos, restrictions, and prejudices that currently condition the lives of people of normal sexuality were firmly established by infrasexual people.

We heard about the case of an old anchorite who preached a certain pseudo-occult doctrine. Everyone venerated that man considering him to be a saint. Apparently he was a master and people worshipped him. Finally, one poor woman discovered everything when he proposed to her a sexual union against Nature, supposedly in order to initiate her. In reality, this anchorite was an infrasexual. Nevertheless, this man had taken the vows of chastity. This man mortally hated the Arcanum A. Z. F. (sexual magic). He considered it to be dangerous. However, he had no trouble with proposing to his devotees to have extra-vaginal unions because he was really an infrasexual. Who would have doubted this man Apparently, he was a saint. This is what the people believed. His followers considered him a master. He hated sex. Yes, he mortally hated sex.

This is a characteristic of infrasexual, degenerated people. The worst of the matter is that they consider themselves superior to people of normal sexuality. They feel they are super-transcendent, and they manage to seduce people of normal sexuality, converting them into their followers. In our mission, which is to divulge Gnostic esoterism, we have had the opportunity to study infrasexual people. We often hear them repeating the following phrases: You Gnostics are selfish because all you ever think of is your Kundalini and sexual magic. You are sexual fanatics. Sexual magic is purely animalistic. Sex is something very vulgar; I am a spiritualist and I abhor all that is materialistic and vulgar. Sex is filthy. There are many paths to God. I live only for God and am not interested in the rubbish of sexuality. I follow the doctrine of chastity and abhor sex, etc. This is precisely the language of infrasexual people. They are always self-sufficient, always so proud in their feeling of superiority to people of normal sexuality.

An infrasexual woman who hated her husband said to us: I would only practice sexual magic with my guru. She said this in the presence of her husband. This woman had no sexual relations with her husband because she supposedly hated sex. Nevertheless, she was willing to practice sexual magic, but only with her guru. She had an affinity with the guru because he too was an infrasexual. This is the saint mentioned earlier in this chapter, the one who enjoyed suggesting to his female devotees to have sexual unions against Nature with him.

We heard about the case of the arch-Hierophant who hated women and who often uttered phrases such as this: Women! I kick them with my feet. He preached a doctrine, and his followers adored him as if he were a God. He was always surrounded by adolescents. Thus, this is how he spent his time, until the police discovered everything. He was a homosexual, a corrupter of minors; yet, he had the same pride of all infrasexual people, which is feeling super-transcendent, ineffable and divine.

The sphere of Lilith is the sphere of the great heresy. These people no longer have the possibility of redemption because they hate the Holy Spirit. All manner of sin shall be forgiven, except the sin against the Holy Ghost.

Sexual energy is an emanation of the Divine Mother. Whosoever renounces the Cosmic Mother, whosoever hates the Divine Mother, whosoever profanes the energy of the Divine Mother shall sink into the abyss forever. There he will have to pass through the Second Death.


The Psychology of the Sphere of Lilith

The sphere of Lilith is characterized by its cruelty. The psychology of this sphere has various aspects: monks and nuns who hate sex, homosexuality in convents, homosexuality outside of all monastic life, induced abortions, people who love masturbation, criminals of the brothel, people who enjoy torturing others, etc. In this sphere we find the most horrible crime reported in police records: horrible cases of bloody crimes of homosexual origin, terrifying acts of sadism, homosexuality in jails, lesbianism, terrifying psychotic criminals, those who enjoy making their loved one suffer, horrible infanticides, patricides, matricides, etc. In this sphere we also find pseudo-occultists who would rather suffer from nocturnal pollution than get married, people who mortally hate the Arcanum A. Z. F. and the Perfect Matrimony, people who believe that they can reach God while hating sex, anchorite people who abhor sex and who consider it vulgar and gross.


The Sphere of Nahemah

The sphere of Nahemah seduces with the enchantment of her malignant beauty. In this infrasexual sphere we find the Don Juans and femme fatales. The world of prostitution unfolds in this sphere.

The infrasexual men of Nahemah feel very manly. Men who have many women live in this sphere. They feel happy in adultery. They believe themselves to be very manly; they are unaware that they are infrasexual.

In the sphere of Nahemah we also find millions of prostitutes. These poor women are victims of the fatal charm of Nahemah. In the sphere of Nahemah we find elegant ladies of high social standing. These people are very happy in adultery. That is their world.

In the infrasexual region of Nahemah we find a sweetness that moves the soul: virgins that seduce with the charm of their tenderness, very beautiful seductive women, men who abandon their homes bewitched by the enchantment of these most precious beauties. In this region we also find indescribable beauty, uncontrollable passions, beautiful salons, elegant cabarets, soft beds, delightful dances, orchestras of the abyss, unforgettable romantic words that cannot be forgotten, etc.

The infrasexual people of Nahemah sometimes accept the Arcanum A.Z.F. (sexual magic) but fail because they are unable to avoid the ejaculation of semen. They almost always withdraw from the Perfect Matrimony uttering horrible things against it. We have heard them saying: ?I practiced sexual magic and sometimes I was able to remain without spilling the semen. I was an animal enjoying the delicious passions of sex.? After withdrawing from the path of the razor?s edge, represented by the spinal medulla, they seek refuge in some seductive doctrine of Nahemah. If they are lucky enough not to fall into the sphere of Lilith, they continue ejaculating the seminal liquor. Such is their infrasexual world.


The Psychology of the Sphere of Nahemah

The infrasexual inhabitants of the sphere of Nahemah are very touchy. They are the ones who utter phrases such as: ?Offense is cleansed with blood. I killed because I am a man of honor. My honor was slighted. I am a wronged husband, etc. The Nahemah type of man is the one who jeopardizes his life for any lady. He is the passionate lover of luxury; a slave to social prejudice; the friend of drunkenness, banquets, parties, very elegant fashions, etc. These people consider the Perfect Matrimony to be something impossible, and when they accept it, they last only a short time on the path because they fail. This type of person enjoys sex in a bestial fashion. When these people accept the Arcanum A.Z F. they utilize it to enjoy lust. As soon as they find some seductive doctrine that offers them refuge, they then withdraw from the Perfect Matrimony.


The Mystique of Nahemah

Sometimes we find mystic types in the infrasexual sphere of Nahemah who neither drink, eat meat, nor smoke, or they are very religious, though not vegetarians. The mystic type of Nahemah is only passionate in secret. They violently enjoy sexual passions, even though later they pass terrible judgements against sexual passion. Sometimes they accept the Arcanum A.Z.F., but they withdraw in a short while when they find some consoling doctrine which provides them with phrases like this: "God said grow and multiply." The sexual act is a purely animal function and spirituality has nothing to do with it, etc. Then the infrasexual one from Nahemah, in finding justification for ejaculating the seminal liquor, leaves the Path of the Perfect Matrimony.....

- Samael Aun Weor

Im not corrupting the scriptures, im stating what they really say. your interpreting them wrong without
sincerity.

Youve been un sincere the entire post.


saints have offered their live to denounce all pleasure for enternal happiness, and these saints, lived and died for christ. and your not
even being sincere enough to realize that and the 144,000 souls with God in the apocolyptic vision of st John talking about the virgins with God on mt sion
after they died.


Virgin: One who is unmarried who has not had sexual intercourse with the opposite sex.




every definition says unmarried. So how can Apoc call them virgins? with jesus?



a literal child can understand this, no im not lying, any reader knows this, its called sincerity. which doesnt exist anymore.





If im damned to hell for sacraficing my pleasure as an offering than so be it, but thats not really true, because God sees a sacrafice like that and he loves those who can fullfill that sacrafice through his grace.



If nobody sacraficed, then everybody would think only pleasure. thats worldy nonsense. This world is only a stepping ground for spiritual eternity in which sex will be no longer.



peace.

What do you mean "un sincere"?

I meant every word I said and quoted.


You have yet to show and prove one thing.


Sex and Lust can indeed be seperated.

But you're too much of a fanatic to realize it.

Basing your beliefs on blind faith.


Your myopia and left-hemisphere way of thinking is almost unbearable.


Try emptying your cup, and then go back and read the info I provided.

One can't very well receive anything if their cup is already full.



PEACE

Homosexuality is a choice.

Originally posted by "Truth"

No, your interpreting scripture how you want to fit your ideas.

No, I'm giving a we'll say 'Gnostic' interpretation.


The Bible is also Kabbalistic, something that many fanatics are extremely afraid of.

Originally posted by "Truth":
Virgin: One who is unmarried who has not had sexual intercourse with the opposite sex.

every definition says unmarried. So how can Apoc call them virgins? with jesus?

According to the dictionaries of Vulgar definitions.

The Initiatic, Didactic Dialect is, however, different.

"Truth" wrote:
" for they (are) vrigins "

Not


" for they (were) virgins "

Fair enough. We'll assume that said virgins haven't fallen since the writing of the scriptures that describe them.

"Truth" wrote:
he speaks of them in his vision already dead following christ.


The verse begins with the vision of jesus on mount sion with the virgins following him, already dead with christ...


...If im damned to hell for sacraficing my pleasure as an offering than so be it, but thats not really true, because God sees a sacrafice like that and he loves those who can fullfill that sacrafice through his grace.

If nobody sacraficed, then everybody would think only pleasure. thats worldy nonsense. This world is only a stepping ground for spiritual eternity in which sex will be no longer.

2. Death?

3. Sacrifice?

Don't forget 1. BIRTH.

The Three Factors of the Revolution of the Consciousness.

1. Alchemical Birth: to be born again as Jesus spoke of when explaining this factor to Nicodemus. This is to build the solar bodies. Only with the application of the three primary forces can this take place. That is, the three Logoic atoms must be activated. This only happens through the wise use of the sexual force. Man is the positive/active force, woman is the negative/passive force and the sexual energy is the force that unites, it is the reconciling/neutral force.

Obviously, we cannot use these creative forces like the animals do in instinctive fornication. We have already discussed the outcome of fornication in depth. Rather, the initiate must learn how to channel that force, inward and upward, in order to utilize the electronic forces that are dormant within the sexual seed. This force, if transmuted in the act of copulation between husband and wife, is that which builds the transcendental bodies of the soul, the famous solar bodies. When this force awakens, it is Divine Mother Kundalini, the most powerful and terrific force in the universe, that awakens within. She is the serpents of fire that slowly climb up the spine with the sexual transmutations, vertebrae by vertebrae, within the central channel of the spine, called Shushumna in Sanskrit. She awakens only with sexual magic, the sexual act between husband and wife without EVER spilling one drop of the sexual liquors. This birth is the Initiations of Major Mysteries, each one corresponding to the particular sephirah (Malkuth, Yesod, Hod and so on...), and each sephirah corresponding to the creation of a particular solar body.

Once the initiate reaches the Third Initiation of Major Mysteries, corresponding to the sephirah Hod, the third serpent of the fire of Kundalini, the creation of the solar astral body takes place. It is here that the initiate has developed immortality to a certain degree. It is here that the initiate is free from the law of 108 existences and can negotiate with the judges of the Law of Karma. Of course, the initiate who creates all of the solar bodies has reached a much higher level or octave, that initiate has completed the first factor...


2. Mystical Death: This is simple. It refers to the death of the ego. Each ego traps a certain percentage of consciousness. Humanity in general has 97% consciousness trapped within the egos... The only way to liberate this consciousness is to die in the ego. When the consciousness, the essence, the initiate, has comprehended a particular ego within the psyche to a certain degree, Divine Mother Kundalini will eliminate that ego to the degree in which it was comprehended.

Remember, the mind has 49 levels, and each ego exists within superficial levels and very deep levels as well. In order for an ego to be completely eliminated, the consciousness must comprehend completely in this life and all of the causes of the ego in past lives... This is not so easy when we have only 3% free consciousness...

The ego that has been comprehended to one degree or another must be brought into the alchemical practice (sexual magic). That is, when the couple unites in the sexual act, they focus on that particular ego while supplicating to the Divine Mother Kundalini to eliminate it with her fire.

It is very important to learn how to stop feeding the ego. This is done through the Transformation of Impressions (a later lecture). Yet the first thing we must learn to do is to apply willpower so that we can learn to stop feeding our desire. For example, when we have the urge to scan the body of an attractive person of the opposite sex, we must learn to control that mechanical behavior. The reason is that lust can be fed through the sensation of sight. When this happens the consciousness becomes identified with that particular sensation, then it falls into fascination with that particular impression. The result is that the consciousness will fall asleep and allows the ego to take over the psyche completely with its habitual impulses...
We must learn how to control, comprehend and transmute all of the instinctive urges and desires.

3. Sacrifice For Humanity: "Love is the Law, but Conscious Love." The Cosmic-Christ sacrifices itself every moment in order to give us life. The purpose is so that each Monad will have the chance to incarnate the Christ. Each one of us has the responsibility to give to humanity, to assist in the bettering of all of mankind. The problem is that we often think that we are doing good but are often making drastic mistakes...

We must learn to see the evil in the good and the good within the evil. If we give money to a beggar and that beggar in turn buys drugs, what good have we done?

If we donate to a foundation that only launders the money, how are we helping humanity?

Often times, it is within what seem like the small sacrifices that make differences. Of course, we can see the huge sacrifices that were given to humanity by all of the avatars and Christs...

Thus, revolution is the way in which we can escape the laws of evolution and involution. A superior law (the Revolution) always transcends inferior laws (evolution and involution). That is, the only way to escape from this vicious cycle (the Wheel of Samsara or the 10th Arcanum of the Tarot) we must apply these three factors.

PEACE











[edit on 15-2-2005 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Croat56
Homosexuality is a choice.

mmm... Yes and No.


To speak in a manner similiar to that of the Tibetan Buddhists; homosexuality, like any other defect, is a Psychological-Aggregate that is built up over successive lifetimes.


The problem with most of us nowadays, is that people identify with their egos.


A homosexual would say: "I am homosexual".

But if the said homosexual had his or her Consciousness awakened to a certain degree; he or she would instead say: "My True Inner Being is bottled up inside the ego of homosexuality".

This person could then take the necessary steps to remove this defect, as to manifest their Being and decrease their suffering.

Understand?


Peace

Understand?

Not a bit

lol^^^


Okay.


Perhaps re-read what I wrote and Meditate on it; to see if it rings within your Consciousness, instead of trying to grasp it with your Intellectual Mind.

Originally posted by Tamahu

Originally posted by Croat56
Homosexuality is a choice.

mmm... Yes and No.


To speak in a manner similiar to that of the Tibetan Buddhists; homosexuality, like any other defect, is a Psychological-Aggregate that is built up over successive lifetimes.


The problem with most of us nowadays, is that people identify with their egos.


A homosexual would say: "I am homosexual".

But if the said homosexual had his or her Consciousness awakened to a certain degree; he or she would instead say: "My True Inner Being is bottled up inside the ego of homosexuality".

This person could then take the necessary steps to remove this defect, as to manifest their Being and decrease their suffering.

Understand?


Peace