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But to say studies which show smoking industrial massed produced cigarettes from corporations at rates consistent with normal smokers are harmful to health are false propaganda.... WTF
If smoking tobacco as normally practiced in our culture was healthy, why would there be a conspiracy to produce false medical studies to prove otherwise?
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Says “Smoking Kills” on the packet...
Kinda hard to ignore that, to be honest.
But we (yes, me too) do.
Denying the effects is very dumb though.
originally posted by: lacrimoniousfinale
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Says “Smoking Kills” on the packet...
Kinda hard to ignore that, to be honest.
But we (yes, me too) do.
Denying the effects is very dumb though.
Oh, I don't know. I read about some guy's great great Grandma who smoked and lived to be 103, so they must be good for you, right?
8 Dangers of Smoking While Pregnant
www.healthline.com...
Smoking and pregnancy
Smoking and pregnancy don't mix. Smoking while pregnant puts both you and your unborn baby at risk. Cigarettes contain dangerous chemicals, including nicotine, carbon monoxide, and tar. Smoking significantly increases the risk of pregnancy complications, some of which can be fatal for the mother or the baby. Learn about the risks of smoking while pregnant.
interesting tidbit...nicotine actually helps people with parkinsons disease......another interesting bit...People with downs sydrome very very RARely get cancer...there has been studies... because they get a double copy of a chromosone they get double good stuff that fights cancer prevents the blood vessels that feed the cancer cells
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Boadicea
Well, I'm really not the person to ask -- at least if you want accurate answers. You asked "why" and I gave you one reason. But off the top of my head...
The use of asbestos is severely limited, abestos product production down, and much of the installed asbestos insulation and ceiling tiles removed...
Now it is. However, the adverse effects of asbestos exposure can take 50 years to manifest. And while asbestos use and production is down, asbestos products are still found in homes and such, and removal of asbestos is continuing. So there is still a problem of exposure, albeit reduced.
But studies still prove the harmful effects of smoking.
Actually, more recent studies have disproven the conclusion of previous studies, especially regarding the dangers of secondhand smoke.
It has also been shown that much of today's research is basically junk... In other words, for whatever reasons, the results/conclusions of any one study cannot be replicated/duplicated by others, and therefore -- by definition -- is NOT science.
So why would there still be a conspiracy to falsify manufactured cigarettes are harmful?
For one thing, because smoking cessation is big business. Big Pharma and their patented smoking cessation drugs, nicotine patches, vaping, etc. Not to mention that anti-smoking grants for both research and activism have been handed out like candy by government.
There was a thread last week about research done decades ago that showed lower cholesterol correlated with younger deaths and higher cholesterol levels correlated with longevity. The research was only recently found and made public. At the very end of the article, the researcher's son was asked why his dad would have hidden the results, and the son pretty much flat out said because it didn't jive with the researcher's strong beliefs that cholesterol (and fat in general) were bad.
Researchers are human too.
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: flice
originally posted by: hiddenNZ
a reply to: neutronflux
That's a hard one,and I believe you. But my wife's grandfather smoked for 70yrs,died at 91,and from what I know it wasn't smoking related.....I think it all comes down to genetic predisposition,well in some cases anyways.
For the most part I would lean on this one regarding ANYTHING... but I do believe that the number of people who can smoke or even chew nicotine gum without consequences is a small number.
My dad more or less died from smoking last febuary... the chemicals in cigarettes destroy lung tissue, the nicotine in cigs and gum damage blood vessels and increase the risk of clots.
But I wont recognise the fact that a select few will live a long life anyways.
Problem is that smoking is still very public and having been a smoker myself for 13 years I dont even wanna breathe second hand smoke.
The majority should be taken into consideration first and foremost along with expenses to public health service and that meand it should be either banned or people who choose to smoke should have increased medical help prices when it comes to smoking related illnesses.
Nicotine is the basis for many medicines. Nicotine turns to nicotinic acid when it interacts with the lungs, which would be a vitamin. Nicotine is not the bad part of cigarettes, it is the carbons that cause damage to our bodies. One of those carbons is carbon monoxide. Actually cigarette smoke kills microbes and also can kill viruses. There is nitric oxides in the smoke.
Only about ten percent of people can get cancer from tobacco smoke. Smoking does cause other issues though, but they are still blaming everything on smoking tobacco when it is not causing many of the diseases they blame it for.
Yep, the wife gets sick all the time, while I rarely do.
I'm not afraid of pollution either. Smokers will survive!
Some of us, anyway.
I wish I never started. It's expensive.
guy once told me that each cigarette takes a minute off your life. I responded that those minutes at the end of your life basically suck.
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: rickymouse
guy once told me that each cigarette takes a minute off your life. I responded that those minutes at the end of your life basically suck.
Maybe if you strived for quality of life instead of instant pleasure, maybe life would be enjoyable at the end.