End Time Believers and Long Term Planning

this is somewhere between an observation i'm not sure what to do with, and a rant... because it does grind my gears from time to time.

some people believe we're living in the biblical or some other form of end times. they believe that soon, within their lifetime for sure, there will be divine intervention, or alien intervention, or the book of revelation will come true with blood and judgment and rapture and tribulation and et cetera...

...and okay, believe what you want, but that seems to have a profound effect on how they view anything involving long-term planning and how life will be for future generations, like climate change, economic issues, international relations, colonizing space -- because they don't honestly believe that there will BE any future generations, so they don't give a fudge about it.

it also seems to make them complacent towards things that are happening that might not be great, but they seem to feel fulfills some prophecy that rushes us towards that end time they're waiting on/wanting to happen.

i'm not an end time believer myself. sure, things could go completely wrong and some catastrophe could happen, but i think it's better for us, as a species, to plan on the basis that probably it won't, and we need to deal with making life sustainable, on earth, for future generations... and/or figure out how to sustain life off of earth. our planning in that department is lacking, so far.

but people feel the way they do as i've outlined above... and they vote as well... and attempting to debate why one way would be better than another for the future of humanity is difficult with someone who's playing on a completely different game board. i have no idea what to do about that, does anyone else?

That's what religion has done to a segment of the World. If history has anything to say about it, things always go on. But one thing is for sure, there will be disasters and collapses, which unfortunately will weed out the types you speak of pretty quickly. Then the rest who "get it" will rebuild something great.

a reply to: fiverx313

Not to mention, that believing nonsense like this, seems to be a prerequisite for winning an election to office. These types of folks have been in charge of making the rules that govern our society for a very long time. Perhaps that is why our system doesn’t work like it could.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: fiverx313

Not to mention, that believing nonsense like this, seems to be a prerequisite for winning an election to office. These types of folks have been in charge of making the rules that govern our society for a very long time. Perhaps that is why our system doesn’t work like it could.

Not to mention, that believing nonsense like this, seems to be a prerequisite for winning an election to office.

Where ? In what country ?

These types of folks have been in charge of making the rules that govern our society for a very long time.

What types ?

Perhaps that is why our system doesn’t work like it could

What system ?

You need to be more specific so I can pick anything you have apart and leave for the buzzards to finish off.

End times should be an end to the human concept of time. In the West this predisposition is primarily based on Revelation from the Bible. I'll let you in on a little secret. Most think it is a revealing when it's actually a revolving. From Atoms to Galaxies everything is cyclic, and until we bring perception towards reality, human stupidity will revolve instead on evolving along inevitable upward spiral which was established from the beginning.
a reply to: fiverx313

a reply to: fiverx313

I believe the Apocalypse will be a slow burner such as the events you describe, but personally I hope millions of years of evolution is not undone by our hubris and ignorance.

However If there was an instant apocalypse I hope It's a hoard of demons so I can go down in a blaze of glory as I duel wield shotguns while screaming "this is for you Leeroy!!!" and obviously it's made clear I spend too much time playing video games. But i'd like to think if civilization were to come to an end I'd like to think it will be from a natural phenomenon, not from our stupidity as a species because we won't be alive to regret our mistakes.

Everything ends, whether it be the big chill or nanosynthesis, the human race will end eventually and I hope it goes out with a bang, not a whimper.

a reply to: fiverx313

I think anyone who changes their long-term life plans based on the hope of the Rapture is fooling themselves. At least before the Third Temple is built I can understand planning for the worst once the Third Temple is built but before then it's a Fool's errand for sure.

Jaden

Let the religion-bashing circle jerk commence.

There, does that feel better?

Religion aside, you have to be an idiot if you can't see the writing on the wall. Our society is a house of cards; the security it affords is an illusion.

If you base your long-term life planning on the assumption that the illusion will continue indefinitely...

...then you're just as deluded as your run-of-the-mill Bible thumper.

Ah again the simplistic binary from people who like to pretend they are full of nuance and shades of gray. If A, it must mean B and specifically the caricature B I made up.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Ah again the simplistic binary from people who like to pretend they are full of nuance and shades of gray. If A, it must mean B and specifically the caricature B I made up.

then why don't you explain where i'm getting it wrong, instead of doing a smug little hit and run and patting yourself on the back?

a reply to: fiverx313

Why bother? It seems amply obvious you know it all already.

Obviously as far as you are concerned, if someone thinks the world is ending, then they are not really going to care about their future at all.

Simple binary, so why bother to do anything about anything?

*EDIT*

No, I changed my mind.

Nothing is given to us. Not today,not tomorrow. I might keel over dead between one key stroke of this reply and the next. No one knows, and if you're intellectually honest, you need to admit that. You don't know either.

Every single one of us lives every day like this -- not knowing from one second to the next what will happen, whether we live or we die. So one those terms, why does anyone care about the future and bother to prepare for it in any manner?

We may not live it. Our children may not. Why does it matter? And why do you care?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: fiverx313
Why bother? It seems amply obvious you know it all already.

Obviously as far as you are concerned, if someone thinks the world is ending, then they are not really going to care about their future at all.

i've had people who are strong end time believers say, directly to me, that they are not concerned about issue X or Y because soon jesus will come and the tribulation will start, so they don't need to worry about that. that is what i've based this thread on. if you are an end time believer and you feel differently then i would be more than happy to hear your perspective on it.

Nothing is given to us. Not today,not tomorrow. I might keel over dead between one key stroke of this reply and the next. No one knows, and if you're intellectually honest, you need to admit that. You don't know either.

Every single one of us lives every day like this -- not knowing from one second to the next what will happen, whether we live or we die. So one those terms, why does anyone care about the future and bother to prepare for it in any manner?

We may not live it. Our children may not. Why does it matter? And why do you care?

it matters to me because, barring some amazing global catastrophe, i don't think EVERYONE will keel over dead in the next moment or next day or next year. i care about the continuation of humanity, about the future. i want to see those of us who are alive today laying a foundation for that future.

why do i care? not sure. i ask myself that sometimes. why does anyone care about anything?

With a few different views on end times and the Rapture to choose from I think the pre-wrath one fits best . Oh and The end times are not the end of the story . But I will drop this vid off for consideration to both believers and non believers just so you are versed a bit in the subject

a reply to: fiverx313

So because you've had a few people say it to you, you think that represents the whole?

Ha! Well now you have one strong believer who believes in the End of Days tell you that I plan for the future because what will come, will come, but it's not for me to say when so what my own feelings on the matter are is unimportant. But frankly, I plan for all of the future, not just the material one here on earth. I plan spiritually too because I know Jesus will come, even if he only comes to me on my death bed.

Btw, climate change is doom porn for the environmental set as much as anything else.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: fiverx313

So because you've had a few people say it to you, you think that represents the whole?

Ha! Well now you have one strong believer who believes in the End of Days tell you that I plan for the future because what will come, will come, but it's not for me to say when so what my own feelings on the matter are is unimportant. But frankly, I plan for all of the future, not just the material one here on earth. I plan spiritually too because I know Jesus will come, even if he only comes to me on my death bed.

thank you for providing a contrasting opinion. you probably could have done that without all the sniping.

it's been more than a few, by the way.

Btw, climate change is doom porn for the environmental set as much as anything else.

you're certainly entitled to your opinions about climate change and lord jesus as well.

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: fiverx313

I think anyone who changes their long-term life plans based on the hope of the Rapture is fooling themselves. At least before the Third Temple is built I can understand planning for the worst once the Third Temple is built but before then it's a Fool's errand for sure.

Jaden

you know the Third Temple is actually a human body with godlike abilities right? that the ark of the covenant is the enhanced evolved brain... that's what's to be built...

a reply to: fiverx313

I'm not the only one who snipes.

Climate changes. That is what it does. That is what it has always done, and what it always will do. It has varied wildly in the past without anything we've done, and it's hubris to think suddenly we control the thermostat because we exist.

Don't worry only crazy people believe in conspiracys....lol....and if you compared every single one who does or who knows the truths it would be such a small handful you would cry for all of humanity.Out of the nearly 7 billion people alive right now only a gnats hass worth know what is really going on globally.

What was that quote....?

“When a man truly believes that he will die tomorrow, he will somehow make it happen.”

Something like that.

The True Power of the Self-fulfilling Prophecy.
(Also conveniently exempts the believer in same from any responsibility for taking rational action to prevent the pre-ordained disaster)

Everything eventually ends,I'm sure the world has ended many times before that is evident,no one around can control the earths destiny,everyday more chances of demise