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originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: nwtrucker
Valid point. A glass of wine at dinner isn't illegal....last time I checked.
Neither will Cannabis be illegal once it's legalised.
Funny thing that.
And while they are sipping their relaxing, mind-altering glass of wine "messing with thought, mood, production and even driving" (to use your quote) they are, in practically the same breath, deriding cannabis smokers for doing EXACTLY the same thing.
Unbelievable.
Spare me your indignation. Using a glass of wine, or any booze for that matter, as a justification to legalize pot...and the trend won't end there, will it,.. is bull.
I can't let nonsense, lies and hypocrisy surrounding the subject be allowed to stand.
You have been influenced too much by "Reefer Madness" in your criticism of cannabis.
No nonsense at all. The thread refers to cannabis. In fact, I am anti-drug. Period. Compared to other drugs cannabis is a minor issue. I am anti-drug. All of them.
I would promote the nation toward less drugs, not more. No comrpomise.
Do you drink? Do you enjoy that glass of wine with dinner that you referenced earlier?
If so then you are NOT anti-drug and you are a hypocrite - just like most others who deride cannabis.
originally posted by: MikeA
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Sure has been a lot of money 'invested' in these links.......
Big Pharma must love it.
FYI. I'm anti-drugs of any form. Less, not more. Less popular. Less accepted. Not more. No compromise.
I am anti-DEA bs restrictions. I take oxycontin prescribed by my doctor for a broken back caused by a drunk not a stoner. I take a legal document to a legal pharmacy and then HOPE they have enough to fill it. Why, because they are only allowed to order so many pills at a time. They are not allowed to tell me if they have them over the phone. I have to go to each store with my script. I can get no more than a 30 day supply. My insurance won't fill it early so I have to plan around it. I can't get it filled outside of Arizona, and on and on. Bottom line, I can get all the pills I want off the street easier than I can by legal means. No law will ever stop people from doing something. The only people effected by laws are the ones who were not the problem in the first place.
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: nwtrucker
FYI. I'm anti-drugs of any form. Less, not more. Less popular. Less accepted. Not more. No compromise.
Thanks Dad, but I'll make my own decisions on my body....you can feel free to do what you want with yours.
No problem, son. Mess with me or mine in your stoned state? You'll be messing with my rights....
Name 1 "stoner" that's ever messed with anyone. Just 1. Being stoned doesn't make you violent, it makes you want to eat munchies, play video games, be creative, create art and music, admire the world around you and, of course, post on ATS - among MANY other peaceful and non-violent activities.
Thank you, however, for confirming, with your nonsense and falsities about "stoners", that you have completely succumbed to "Reefer Madness"
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
originally posted by: nwtrucker
Don't 'hate' any of 'em. I fear for the future of this society. This is but one of those fears.
A pox on ALL of them.
So here in the "Land of the Free", how many people is too many locked behind bars getting routinely humiliated / brutally oppressed / beaten / gang raped / shanked for years on end while being socialized into becoming hardcore criminals for bad habits / addictions / stuff that annoys you / bad personality traits / social deviance / etc??
A. 3,000,000
B. 5,000,000
C. 10,000,000
D. 50,000,000
E. 100,000,000
And have you ever been tested for being a psychopath / sociopath?
Did you kill lots of baby puppies and kittens as a child?
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: nwtrucker
Choice, choice. Here's MY choice. I disagree.
As far as the semantics of state rights, goes, none is supplanted. Jurisdiction rules. If your in Washington St.- I am- don't bring your pot on Federal turf. Your ass will be grass.....
And what happened to the government shouldn't decide for the people?
I can't count how many times I've seen you slam liberals for wanting big government, yet here you are advocating billions spent a year between DEA, DOJ, prisons and taking away billions in revenue for states who have legalized.
What do you say to the states legalizing having less problems with real drugs? Using some of the revenues for schools and rehab programs for people with problems?
That's less taxes for you.
But let's not forget the truth. Many people who are to clingy to ideology want a country of like minded thinkers, not a free one. And that goes for the left as much as the right.
The real America is one of liberty, one of freedom of thought. So long as what you do doesn't hurt me, I don't care.
But in this case, what you advocate does hurt me and millions of Americans, whether it's lack of rights or paying taxes on laws passed to protect other industries like lumber and big pharma.
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: nwtrucker
A stoned society is a less safe one. Less productive. I say change your life, not the current chemical content of one's brain.
That's your opinion.
For those of us who have smoked and held high profile jobs.... Well, your comment just seems silly.
Ever heard of the law of diminishing returns? Sometimes being stressed and uptight can be as debilitating as anything. Notice more Americans are on anti depressants per capita than most developed countries.
Mental health is different for everyone.
And we're talking about something less harmful than caffeine. So if it doesn't hurt, why do you care?
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: nwtrucker
Choice, choice. Here's MY choice. I disagree.
As far as the semantics of state rights, goes, none is supplanted. Jurisdiction rules. If your in Washington St.- I am- don't bring your pot on Federal turf. Your ass will be grass.....
And what happened to the government shouldn't decide for the people?
I can't count how many times I've seen you slam liberals for wanting big government, yet here you are advocating billions spent a year between DEA, DOJ, prisons and taking away billions in revenue for states who have legalized.
What do you say to the states legalizing having less problems with real drugs? Using some of the revenues for schools and rehab programs for people with problems?
That's less taxes for you.
But let's not forget the truth. Many people who are to clingy to ideology want a country of like minded thinkers, not a free one. And that goes for the left as much as the right.
The real America is one of liberty, one of freedom of thought. So long as what you do doesn't hurt me, I don't care.
But in this case, what you advocate does hurt me and millions of Americans, whether it's lack of rights or paying taxes on laws passed to protect other industries like lumber and big pharma.
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: NobodyToldMe
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Southern Guardian
Yanks are big enough and ugly enough to get stoned (legally or illegally) all-by-themselves - the law has, is and will continue to be ignored in this regard. No jews, no Trumps, no Sessions and most certainly no politically divisive racists will ever change this little factoid.
There are plenty who do not get stoned, as well. That includes English, Canadians....et al. Many who obey laws. Many who dislike stoners with their 'natural' mind altering chemicals messing with thought, mood, production and even driving.
The rest? I suppose the signal example would be the professional athlete who loses 100s of thousands in pay to indulge. Profoundly....dumb.
Man you must really hate alcohol then. I mean hate with a passion. Do you protest in front of your local package store? Not go to any restaurant that serves the Devil's Drink?
You better or you are just a hypocrite spouting #e.
Don't 'hate' any of 'em. I fear for the future of this society. This is but one of those fears.
A pox on ALL of them.
There are plenty of oppressive governments with all kind of laws you'd like.
If you don't like freedom there are plenty of choices for you to go to.
Some of us want more freedom, or rather revert back to what the country was built on before it got micromanaged.
originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: nwtrucker
Sorry I missed your answer do you drink? partake in a little booze every now and then?.
originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: nwtrucker
Remind me never to invite you to any party.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: nwtrucker
While I don't agree with your stance on pot, I will always defend your right to say it.
I don't "partake" (as the kids say).
But I've always found that laws like seatbelts, helmets for motorcycles, personal use of drugs, to be inhibitive of individual freedoms.
And I'm all about the freedom.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: nwtrucker
Sorry I missed your answer do you drink? partake in a little booze every now and then?.
Used to. These days, maybe a glass of wine paired with a meal once a week or two. To forego you 'ahah', I would not even do that if it was illegal and would gladly give up even that small indulgence, if asked.