originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: worldstarcountry
It is now clear that Erdogan has publicly and openly sided with the Iranian threat, and the threat to all of the world.
With that line I believe this thread should be in the joke forum
No, he's actually not far from the truth. The real joke is that westerners like you are clueless to the reality.
The reality is this.
Turkey is a hostile nation. It is an enemy of western civilization. I'll explain. And you wont like it.
First, the Iran thing. Turkey has indeed sided with Iran. It is not a new revelation, the OP just probably doesn't know all the facts. But his
conclusion is pretty much spot on. Turkey had been helping Iran side step sanctions for years.
Now the more important stuff.
Turkey, the successor state to the Ottoman Empire, an Islamic empire, has never been a friend or ally of the western world. On the contrary, it sought
to subjugate Europe, and succeeded in doing so for several hundred years to South Eastern Europe.
At the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, a man called Kemal Ataturk came to power.
With the collapse of the empire, a chance was had to forge a new country. That was called Turkey.
A fake secular state was setup.
Turkey was used by the West because of it's geographic location. It was a partnership of convenience and nothing more.
Does anyone remember that map of a redrawn middle east? Where a whole new bunch of states were present? Where a large part of Turkey was lost to a
Is anyone aware that recently Turkey walked out of NATO exercises in northern Europe, because the enemy in the exercises was listed as Erdogan and
My guess is most people aren't aware of that, just as they aren't aware that Turkey sided with Iran long ago when it decided to help Iran circumvent
How many know that when the USA was going to invade Iraq in 2003, they were going to open up a northern front through Turkey? How many are aware that
with US troops in place, or on their way to staging positions, the Turks decided to demand many billions of US dollars in exchange for approving an
invasion from their territory..? The US wasn't amused and wasn't going to accept the blackmail, so shifted forces south to Saudi Arabia. How different
would the outcome of the war been? How quickly would it have been over if they invaded from the north as well? How many US servicemens lives would NOT
have been lost?...etc etc.
Turkey blackmails Europe with the illegal immigrant crisis. Billions of Euros have been given to Turkey by the EU in exchange for accepting the
resettlement of illegals from across Europe that entered the EU through Turkey. Turkey has not honored this agreement.
The "divorce" between NATO and Turkey will be messy.
What the Turks and their middle eastern islamic fundamentalist friends from Libya to Bangladesh and Indonesia will do is build a nuclear arsenal.
Pakistan already has the bomb, and a means of delivery. Why do you think the Turks have turned to Russia for nuclear power stations?
If the Turks were really a western oriented nation or our allies and friends, they would have chosen a western supplier, perhaps out of Canada, for
their nuclear power desires.
Iran and Turkey will continue to try to acquire nuclear weapons.
Let me remind you, or inform you if you weren't aware, but Turkey had a hand in Pakistan's nuclear weapon development.
Do you know why Trump is really picking on Pakistan? Because finally there is a president in power after decades who takes the threat to our
civilization seriously, and will empower his generals and military to act instead of tying their hands like Obama. There are some in the USA who
understand that there's a real possibility Pakistani nukes could be passed on to more rogue elements, or shared as an interim with other islamic
And there's already a flow of refugees from Turkey, who are TURKISH to Europe.
Thousands have already entered Greece, all of them illegally, all are fleeing Erdogan, with a couple thousand asylum applications already last year.
Turkish soldiers, diplomats and academics deployed across Europe have also applied for asylum in those respective countries.
Those Turks should be treated as enemy civilians. They should not be treated with hospitality and welcomed with open arms.
Because the moment they have an opportunity, like all fanatical muslims, they will turn on their host countries.
There's already senators and congressmen in America openly questioning Turkeys allegiance etc.
Those calls will grow louder.
Up until now Turkey has had the support of the jewish zionist lobby in the USA which has kept them in a 'good light'. No more.
The coupe in Turkey was not staged by the CIA or the USA or anyone else outside of Turkey.
It was a fake coup by Erdogan and his loyalists, to create a pretext for the mass purge of those who aren't loyal to his regime. And it worked.
If you weren't aware Erdogan has replaced most people in top tier positions across the board with islamists loyal to him.
Now, Turkey was a fake secular state to begin with. The transition from "secular" to islamist was swift and painless.
What hasn't changed, and in fact has gotten worse, is Turkey's belligerent behavior towards it's neighbors.
The fake secular state of Turkey was kept under control by the west, with a fake secularism. That is gone now, replaced with the Turks natural order,
I'll give you an example. During the "secular kemalist" days prior to Erdogan, turkey was hostile to Greece, and invaded Cyprus on the orders of Henry
Kissinger, after they worked with the British and Turkish deep state(What's the difference? they all work together and worship the same devils), to
create tensions on the island. Turkish militants, or terrorists, or agents, call them what you will, carried out attacks/massacres/murders within the
Turkish Cypriot communities, and it was blamed on the Greek side. Because the Greek two-thirds majority of the island wanted a union with Greece..you
know, Cypriots being a Greek people and all. The deep state saw this as a threat to their plans and interests, because Greece was less then a willing
participant at the best of times, and at worst was on the sidelines. The island was home to two british bases. Both in the south. So with the pretext
created, and inter-communal violence having been sparked, the green light was given for Turkey to invade. That occupation of 1/3 of the island
remains, and Turkey has broken the Geneva convention so many times that used toilet paper has more value.
Since the fall of the fake secular kemalist state, the belligerence has increased.
Turkey now claims 16 islands in the Aegean belong to Turkey and are being occupied by Greece.
Turkey claims the Turkish minority, who make up a fraction of the muslim population in Greek Thrace, but Turkey claims all the muslims there are
Turkish(they aren't, and many resent it), is being mistreated and their rights denied. Turkey wants to be allowed to appoint the local mufti. In fact,
Turkey does appoint a mufti for the muslims there. Except the Greek state doesn't recognize the Turkish appointment. It is meddling in a fellow NATO
member's sovereign affairs, threatening war against a NATO and EU member, claiming territory. And so much more that wont fit in this post.
War is coming with Turkey.