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Diogenes revisited. . . . In search of a non partisan man

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posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm don't think anyone knows what the claims are let alone the facts.

I'm not even sure what facts you are asking about.


The facts about Trump, the allegations, the accusations.

What's real and what's partisan slant?

What's contrived versus authentic?


A lot of it is just nutter stuff, which compells the supporters to defend him. Which sets the precedent to defend even when not all that defensible...

And that was partisan reality tv land decades ago...

Then came Trump, Hillary and the MSM + SJW Flying Circus Machine.

Here's what all human beings need to realize about themselves, this subconscious pitfall we're ALL prone to especially if we're deliberately ignorant to it:

During the run-up to the 2004 presidential election, while undergoing an fMRI bran scan, 30 men--half self-described as "strong" Republicans and half as "strong" Democrats--were tasked with assessing statements by both George W. Bush and John Kerry in which the candidates clearly contradicted themselves. Not surprisingly, in their assessments Republican subjects were as critical of Kerry as Democratic subjects were of Bush, yet both let their own candidate off the hook.

The neuroimaging results, however, revealed that the part of the brain most associated with reasoning--the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex--was quiescent. Most active were the orbital frontal cortex, which is involved in the processing of emotions; the anterior cingulate, which is associated with conflict resolution; the posterior cingulate, which is concerned with making judgments about moral accountability; and--once subjects had arrived at a conclusion that made them emotionally comfortable--the ventral striatum, which is related to reward and pleasure. www.scientificamerican.com...



In short, WE GET HIGH WHEN WE SELF-DECEIVE OURSELVES in defense of our group.

I advise everyone read that in full. I saw it when it came out, wrote all the time about it, and its the basis of my "unreligion" since, which everyone around here cant get enough of me tormenting everyone with.


Oh what Westen doesn't much get into that I insist on is that group affiliations (especially behind leadership elements) is what really sets that high level confirmation bias off.

Its so obvious in daily life, even in the little clique, where somebody insults whatever someone in the group and everyone in it takes offense as if it was them too. We watch this effect scale up everyday here in ATS, on the news, etc, where this is the problem of having "Two" Party's represent 300+M people the lot of everyone that gets into either side ends up defending all sorts of wacky BS they wouldnt. And that would the the case even if the two partys in question werent corrupt etc etc to the hilt bent on dividing everyone.

And now what we've seen en masse is both conservatives and liberals flat out support and defend and even champion the WAR CRIMES of their Republican & Democrat leadership elements.

And this is a lot to do with why I'm so off the richter all he time.
edit on 3-1-2018 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Reasoning is the appendix of the political body.




posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: DBCowboy

When nobody comments theres a good chance everything goes down the memory hole the next day. I see it every other day.


I'll make an effort in the future.

Apologies.


Theres a lot of good offbeat threads that fizzle out.

My favorite though is seeing people complain about only political threads and then people make the ATS of old threads and those people dont comment. WHOOPS LOL



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Just the facts.

Fact is people are just tired of people who doesn't agree with them.

Fact. The election of President Trump has turned the government on it's head. I say good. Let our government deal with what they have been dishing out to the citizens.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Who cares about facts. It's entertainment, it's a charade of personalities, It's reality TV gone horror show.

It's fantastic and what the American public wants, expects and deserves!! Let's give it to em!!





posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Fun facts,

There are Winners,
and there are Losers,
there are no participation awards in life.
Oh, and follow the money.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 10:15 PM
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Michael Wolff's book "fire and Fury" should be entertaining up until the 18 elections, with constant revelations, denials, more twitters and endless discussion. Fantastic!! The irony is that Michael was invited in to the WH for a year to archive Trumps transition into politics. OMFG you can't make this stuff up....

www.nydailynews.com...
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posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
A lot going on.

A lot going on with Trump, everyone's favorite preesy.

I mentioned this in another thread but perhaps I didn't make myself clear.

I'm partisan. I'm biased. Shocker, amirite?

But even a partisan asshole like myself sometimes wants the facts. Just the facts ma'am, just the facts.

Not some "truth" distilled through seventeen layers of partisan bullcrap.

The facts.

Truth is someone else's interpretation of facts.

I'm looking for facts themselves.

Can't find it in any news program.

Can't discern it on the fine vellum pages of ATS.

So I'm looking for the non-partisan.

The ones who have seen the facts, who actually know the facts.

Eventually I'll find it myself, but I was hoping to see some wheat amongst all the chaff.


Is there anyone out there?



I am not partisan. Most humans I classify as clinically insane.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: SR1TX


Then what are the facts?



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Does it matter any longer?

It matters to you.


Because people already have made up their minds.

Those on the left, those on the right, those who are pro and those who are anti Trump.

That doesn't change the facts.


Apparently there's some serious stuff. Some harsh accusations.

Might be nothing to them.


What are the facts?

I'm not going to defend or condemn Trump.

I'd like the facts.

It may be a first for me.

The only fact I have for you is that you are going to have to wait for the rest of the facts, if you ever get them.
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posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 11:18 PM
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quote]originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SR1TX


Then what are the facts?


Men govern nothing with more difficulty than their tongues, and can moderate their desires more than their words



All happiness or unhappiness solely depends upon the quality of the object to which we are attached by love.



The endeavor to understand is the first and only basis of virtue.



If men were born free, they would, so long as they remained free, form no conception of good and evil.



Everything excellent is as difficult as it is rare.



No matter how thin you slice it, there will always be two sides.



Minds, however, are conquered not by arms, but by love and nobility.


Spinoza



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 11:30 PM
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a reply to: luthier

I just want to know what is real.

The "truth"?

The "truth" is a cheap hooker willing to serve whomever has the cash.

I'm tired of "spin" of "the truth" that people spew.

People say, "This is true, this is the truth" with no attention to facts.


The truth? The truth is people believe that God made the sun rise in the east.

Fact? The earth rotates.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 11:34 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Well epistemology is your study then.

Perhaps cosmology or ontology...

Anything that has to do with humans is a mess..

You need to use the etic and emic perspective and come to your closest proximity...

If you want the facts you have to be present in their location.

Otherwise a good filter is needed and lots of cynicism.
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posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 11:38 PM
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a reply to: luthier

I like my shadow analogy.

Look at enough shadows of an object at different angles and you will be able to discern the shape of the object.

The shadows are "truths".

The actual shape is the fact.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 11:41 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

You're looking for the equivalent of an Impartial Juror?



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 11:42 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: DBCowboy

You're looking for the equivalent of an Impartial Juror?



That'd be nice.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Ah...but you are looking with 2 d eyes...your brain makes the 3 d image.

So we are screwed.

Plus who says you're not dreaming...
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posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 11:50 PM
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a reply to: luthier


Call me Diogenes. . . . .



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 11:52 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

In all seriousness it helps to know what truth is. Through reason to read a fact.

If you are not good with the language it's easy to be taken advantage of.

Just look at the way we keep the migrant Mexicans...

The truth is they are all lying. Even the ones telling the truth.

So facts have to be picked up and bagged by hand.

So many people say the media lies. Except of course the one that tells them what they want to hear. The other media lies. Not their media. So they place half facts up to support an argument.

This is why I hate the Google war where you just clip and cite an article or definition as reference. Without the ability to actually explain the topic.

That is literally how I see 90 percent of the Internet and ats.

Probably me included.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 11:57 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: luthier


Call me Diogenes. . . . .



I think that fits. I don't blame you. This year the media and Congress kicked up a notch from ludicrous to a word that hasn't been invented yet for beyond ludicrous.




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