originally posted by: dfnj2015
...... And for Hell to work, the torture involved can't be the same thing every time because if it were a repeating pattern you would eventually get
used to it over eternity. So the torture in Hell must be like an irrational number. That is it is never the same numbers every time and it never
repeats the further you keep going on with it. ......
I get where you are coming from however your analogy is incorrect.An irrational number is a number that cannot be expressed as a fraction for any
integers and . Irrational numbers have decimal expansions that neither terminate nor become periodic.
In other words yes the numbers(digits) can repeat.The most common irrational numbers are calculated from ratios(pi,phi,square roots..etc etc..)
for example 2÷3=0.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666..for infinity...
So in the infinity connections would be as many people believe "Hell" would be like except they use the incorrect description as "eternal" translated
from the Greek word aion (transliteration) which means for an age not infinite time(which there is no such thing as).
The bottom line of the Hell doctrine is like the belief in "eternal" time (and to a point your analogy of an irrational number)they are conflations
not rooted in truth.Just as you stated if there was a "God" it would be completely irrational(unlike the number) for them to punish by torture"
someone for what is "believed" as an eternity as being just .It is in fact just the opposite .
The truth is(as you seem to already know) the doctrine of the infinite punishment of Hell is nothing more than the most inflammatory and diabolical
and corrupt religious doctrine ever conceived and Christianity has pinned it on their leader jesus as the author when nothing could be further from
All references to "Hell" in the new testament scriptures are translation from the Greek word Hades(the translation of the Hebrew word sheol) Gehenna
and Tartarus(used one time by Peter).
Hades(sheol) definition is the grave, the realm of death and imperception.That is the word most often attributed to Yahoshua.
Gehenna was in Yahoshuas time a burning trash dump outside of Jerusalem that at one time is were Pagan Jews practice sacrificed children to Baal in
The clear fact is Yahoshua(which means Yahweh delivers) never spoke of Hades as punishment like Christians believe.In essence he was staing ALL of
creation would (and does) experience Hades in a two fold way.
1.Physical death, the grave..the realm of death
2.The realm of imperception...belief
Yahoshua stated multiple times he came to bring LIFE to ALL of mankind not just the self chosen many.He was very infatique when the relgious Jewish
leaders said he had a demon and stated.
"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy
shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of
man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the
world to come".
Christianity has completely twisted and conflated this clear statement of Yahoshua around to vindicate themselves as the (self chosen forgiven" when
in fact he is speaking of the religious (especially future Christianity ...which he does frequently).They blaspheme the holy spirit with their
religious doctrines and the most heinous of all is the doctrine of the eternal punishment of Hell that blasphemes LIFE(the holy spirit).
He clearly stated those that practice this do not have forgiveness(the Greek word aphesis which means freed from bondage)in this world (age...aion)
nor in the age to come(the grave).They are in essence "bound" by imperception..their inability to perceive Truth.They can only "believe" their
religion and their doctrines of men.
The religious that blaspheme the holy spirit will be very taken back when they "wake" from the realm of the dead in the lake of fire where they must
be tormented(the root comes from touchstone....tested..purified).In other words they have it ALL wrong.They believe they are justified by their
religious doctrines of men and will be pardoned for all their sins( falling short with imperfections) because they believe their religious doctrines
yet Yahoshua stated over and over to the Jews this is completely false.
This is the bottom line of what Yahoshua warned he disciples about:
"Do not be deceived.For MANY will come in my name and say they are anointed(christ..i.e Christians] and will deceive many'".
And that is exactly what has been going on for thousands of years.The religious are deceived(have no perception) of the Truth because they blaspheme
the holy spirit.That does not mean they will not be delivered by the creator God (Yahoshua) it means they will not be freed in this age nor the next
and will be severely hindered to live in their "heavens"(there is no such place as heaven).
What doe that comprehensively mean.It is impossible to know as long as mankind is living in the shadow of the valley of death(physical universe).One
thing is for sure.Christianity has NO idea what it means at all because they are bound in their religious heavens by the doctrines of men in
imperception of Truth.
edit on 19-1-2018 by Rex282 because: (no reason given)