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Paul Manafort sues Mueller and the DoJ

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posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: luthier

This lawsuit addresses the "vague and widespread power". It's not legal. The DOJ didn't have legal authority to grant such jurisdiction to the special prosecutor, the us statutes violated are listed in the complaint you supposedly read.




posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Yes she worked for the AG as a state prosecutor.

Criminal, Corporate, and international human rights law.
edit on 3-1-2018 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: luthier

I'm curious why/how she has three law degrees? Has she ever practiced or just a perpetual student?

I am curious as to why that is relevant when she is not the one posting.....

Or did he stay at a holiday inn express last night....



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: luthier

This lawsuit addresses the "vague and widespread power". It's not legal. The DOJ didn't have legal authority to grant such jurisdiction to the special prosecutor, the us statutes violated are listed in the complaint you supposedly read.



That is false.

Just curious is your source the lawsuit?



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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Manafort is also trying to get the evidence against him thrown out due to improper search & seizure. Allegedly, records being used against Manafort were protected by attorney-client privileged, but this was ignored.



Manafort could well end up destroying Mueller and the investigation. While I would love to see that happen, I suspect that we may see Mueller drop the charges against Manafort in order to preserve what little credibility he and his minions might still have. Because if this case gets thrown out of court, the special council might as well start packing up his office.
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posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

I just got a text that's all, and have spent the entire holiday talking about this.

It was known man fort was planning on this.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
Manafort is also trying to get the evidence against him thrown out due to improper search & seizure. Allegedly, records being used against Manafort were protect by attorney-client privileged, but this was ignored.



Manafort could well end up destroying Mueller and the investigation. While I would love to see that happen, I suspect that we may see Mueller drop the charges against Manafort in order to preserve what little credibility he and his minions might still have. Because if this case gets thrown out of court, the special council might as well start packing up his office.


So in your opinion it's completely out of the realm of possibility manafort is clawing for life and it's just a hail marry?



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: luthier


APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

Is a specific and factual statement of the matter to be investigated

What Manafort is being charged with has nothing to do with the original jurisdiction granted to the special prosecutor.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: angeldoll

The thing is, he's right. Mueller may have fudged the cake when he strayed outside of the scope of his charter.

Ill be interested to see how this works out. Im not a fan of justice being sidestepped.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: shooterbrody

Yep. Even if nothing else comes of it, this proves that those who believed he had flipped and was involved in some deal were wildly mistaken.

There were rumors of Manafort filling suit, but for other reasons related to the search executed on his residence and what was seized.
Some of the same people involved with the investigation also allegedly illegally seized campaign transition information.
I would wager this is not the last of this legal battle.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: luthier

This lawsuit addresses the "vague and widespread power". It's not legal. The DOJ didn't have legal authority to grant such jurisdiction to the special prosecutor, the us statutes violated are listed in the complaint you supposedly read.



That is false.

Just curious is your source the lawsuit?

No, it's the freaking US Statute regarding special prosecutors and investigative jurisdiction.

LINK



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: luthier




It was known man fort was planning on this.

source for that?



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 03:05 PM
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Also my father in law was a chief of staff for a state AG, my sister in law has three law degrees and teaches law,...


And that gives you special knowledge because...?

 


With regards to the suit, the key portion which is being challenged is as follows:


(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).


ORDER NO. 3915-2017
APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS


The suit is basically stating that this additional section grants the Mueller too much leeway in determining what is to be investigated and as a result, the entire order granting said authority should be set aside.

If this lawsuit goes through, it means the end of Mueller's authority as a special prosecutor.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 03:06 PM
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originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: luthier


APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

Is a specific and factual statement of the matter to be investigated

What Manafort is being charged with has nothing to do with the original jurisdiction granted to the special prosecutor.


It doesn't matter.

Oh well you will see.

These are doj regulations of investigation.

The original jurisdiction is vague and furthermore the absolute folly of manafort here is that he has no idea what the scope of Mueller's investigation is. Meaning he doesn't know how he fits into the whole of the investigation.

What happened to all the geniuses saying he illegally got the gsa records as well?



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: luthier


Also my father in law was a chief of staff for a state AG, my sister in law has three law degrees and teaches law,...


And that gives you special knowledge because...?

 


With regards to the suit, the key portion which is being challenged is as follows:


(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).


ORDER NO. 3915-2017
APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS


The suit is basically stating that this additional section grants the Mueller too much leeway in determining what is to be investigated and as a result, the entire order granting said authority should be set aside.

If this lawsuit goes through, it means the end of Mueller's authority as a special prosecutor.


Yep. Got it.. followed his precedence as well.

My online warrior opinion is its a hail Mary and has no chance.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: angeldoll

The thing is, he's right. Mueller may have fudged the cake when he strayed outside of the scope of his charter.

Ill be interested to see how this works out. Im not a fan of justice being sidestepped.


So, were you around when Ken Starr started out with Whitewater, and wound up with Monica Lewinski?
They sure let that old bag have free range. Are we changing the rules now?



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: luthier

source for your statement?





What happened to all the geniuses saying he illegally got the gsa records as well?

That was sent to congress, you know the ones who have oversight of the gsa, by the attorney for the transition team. A lawsuit from the damaged will be following.
But you know this as your inlaws are actually in law.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: luthier

This lawsuit addresses the "vague and widespread power". It's not legal. The DOJ didn't have legal authority to grant such jurisdiction to the special prosecutor, the us statutes violated are listed in the complaint you supposedly read.



That is false.

Just curious is your source the lawsuit?

No, it's the freaking US Statute regarding special prosecutors and investigative jurisdiction.

LINK


What is?

The interpretation from Manafort's conplaint?



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: angeldoll

That was a process crime.
Those are in the scope of the investigation.



posted on Jan, 3 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
You folks should read that link.

Preferably before making assumptions.

This lawsuit has legs.


Legs that will kick Mueller out of the control tower.



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