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Heb 9:15 ¶ And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
originally posted by: PolyCottonBlend
a reply to: ChesterJohn
so God used the corrupt and ignorant hearts of men seeking power to make sure His most holy word and law would remain the same throughout the ages?
Constantine used it to unify his empire. king James used it to satisfy the puritans.
and those are just two of the most major rewrites of history. the list goes on, as I'm sure you're aware.
like I stated before, I understand what you're trying to say, but your evidence remains on par with the historians of the book in total...unverified and patchy.
a thought you might consider: if God's word is to remain in tact throughout the ages, either the need for the old testament or new testament is moot. old testament law was the law of the land. given by God to man. in the new testament, Jesus becomes the second covenant given to man, and becomes the substitute for many of the OT laws. you can't have it both ways. so inclusion or exclusion of text by man in the total works of the bible immediately disqualifies it as containing the original intended message...whichever version you personally follow.
For not using scripture they sure quote it a lot and reference it to make the points they do. The Masoretic Text in the KJV is not original and was created around 1000 ad . The Dead sea scrolls as well as the other more ancient text are much closer to the originals and were used by the early Church fathers . The older text agree with one another while the MT varies from them as well as NT writers . English is only one of many languages that tries to transpose scripture . Depending on the Bible version even within the English language will produce different wording . Its not a one size fits all .
Jesus nor his Apostles used scriptures.
4) There is a supernatural built-in cross reference system of God's words, doctrines, teachings not of men.