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Trump does not have the 'skill set' to help bring peace to Northern Ireland, Irish premier says

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posted on Jan, 2 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: UKTruth

Again I was not making a comparison I was pointing out the hypocrisy of saying its ok for one world leader to comment on other states affairs but not another.

Anyway if there is nothing else....I find Irish politics rather interesting and would let to get back to that discussion.


The thread is not about Irish politics. It is about the Irish Premier questioning the POTUS skill set (and his reading of a book written years ago) with regard to a situation that has nothing to do with the POTUS. Unlike Pakistan, which has everything to do with POTUS.




posted on Jan, 2 2018 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: antiantonym

Actually there's a 3rd response. That's the one where it's pointed out the premier says Trump has many skills and it doesn't fit your agenda.

The premier basically said no one can do everything and Trump is great at a lot of things but unfortunately this likely isn't one of those things.

Are you saying Trump needs to be great at everything? Can you name anyone who is amazing at literally everything?



posted on Jan, 2 2018 @ 12:27 PM
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The Irish premier should know what he is talking about, he hasn't got those skill sets himself. Under his time there he hasn't accomplished hardly anything. Although, you have to consider, we are talking about Irish people here. They can have hot tempers and a lot of Ire in them. I never even considered marrying an Irish woman. They are much worse than Italian women.



posted on Jan, 2 2018 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

The Irish Premier is just playing politics, just like he is doing with Brexit.

He should focus in unblocking some of the ludicrous demands of the Republicans that are the root cause of the current impasse, but the current problems with Northern Irish politics help the EUs divisive politics at the moment.



posted on Jan, 2 2018 @ 02:24 PM
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After all these years I am pretty sure no politician has the ability to bring true peace to that area. The families on both side will have to make that happen anything else is a band aid on a sucking chest wound.



posted on Jan, 4 2018 @ 10:06 AM
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As a Northern Ireland citizen, I hope I'm qualified to comment on this.

First off, the Irish PM was well within his rights to pass comment on the situation in the North of Ireland, even though he holds no jurisdiction over our Northern region. Let me explain :

As Othersideofthecoin has already pointed out, Brexit is a huge consideration for us at the moment; we currently have an open-border policy so I can jump freely into my car here in Belfast, drive to Dublin and meet a few clients, and return, with no legal or physical barriers. The only thing I'll pass through en route is a toll station.

When the UK (including N.Ireland) leaves the European Union, the rest of Ireland will still remain within the EU and some kind of cross-border policy will be implemented. I don't know anyone at all here who wants to see a return to the old days where we had to go through military checkpoints manned by armed soldiers, vehicles would be searched routinely, substantial physical barriers would be in place, and so on. The open borders we have enjoyed for the last 20 years have been fantastic for not only cross-border trade and both economies in general, but also for socialising, for integrating our NI and ROI communities better, and a multitude of other reasons. I work with a team of staff who are based throughout Ireland - Belfast, Cork, Dublin, Galway - and it's great to be able to get together very easily in Dublin, periodically.

The main Unionist party in Northern Ireland- the DUP - are loyal to the UK and have no desire to change our current status quo. The main Republican party - Sinn Fein - are loyal to Ireland and the party leader (Gerry Adams) has long pushed for a United Ireland; in other words, for the UK to jettison Northern Ireland and for NI and ROI to exist as one country, just as Ireland does geographically. As with any move of this scale, this would have both good and bad consequences.

As far as the general feeling on the ground goes, I believe the general consensus in N.Ireland currently (regardless of party affiliation) is that most people would not want NI to become part of a united Ireland; most don't want to switch to the Euro; most don't want the massive changes to the law, the economy, housing, infrastructure, salaries, benefits, healthcare and so on that a unification would bring. Ireland fared worse than the UK did in the recession, and many here at the time wiped their brows with sighs of relief that we hadn't yet become a united Ireland.

Even before the peace process began in NI, our country has had a history of support from other world leaders who have attempted to act impartially and as a neutral advisor. I fully understand when American posters on here says we should sort out our own problems - and I agree, to an extent. However, like many other countries, we are unfortunately governed by two opposing sets of equally inept politicians who have long let stubbornness and their belief in 'tradition' to overrule things like common sense, or making wise choices for the good of the many. I'm no fan of Bill Clinton, but I'll reluctantly admit that if it weren't for his assistance in forcing the parties to get their finger out and progress things back between 1998-2000 (using a mixture of flattery, persuasion and strong-arm tactics), the N.Ireland peace process may still be nothing more than an idea lingering in the ether. Before it, we had 2 groups of people who refused to work together or give any leeway in their demands, and the future looked bleak. The peace process taught them to meet in the middle. Now we have had almost 20 years of fairly stable peace, and better relations all round. Is it perfect? No, there's still a lot to work on. There is bickering, there is arguing, there are always stalemates. We're currently in the middle of a stalemate because of an alleged corruption centred around a DUP heating initiative.

But it's still a hell of a lot better than the bombs and daily murders that NI endured in the 60s and 70s and 80s. I'll take bickering over that any day.

Bush and Obama were also involved in maintaining and continuing the current status quo here, though to a lesser extent. Thus it is likely that Trump will also be expected to have an input at some stage; with Brexit looming on the horizon and Sinn Fein hoping to use that as a catalyst to strengthen their case for a border-free united Ireland, the Irish PM is going to be participating in a lot of frank discussions with NI leaders, and it's highly likely that, as they have done in previous years, they will turn to other world leaders like Trump during this.

I like Trump. I'm not American, but I would probably have voted for him if I was. However, I have to agree with the Irish PM; our NI peace process is a hugely complex machine, which operates successfully at the moment because of balanced concessions and demands from both sides, and a power-sharing setup which is delicate at best. I'm not convinced that Trump's typical bravado and ballsy rhetoric is the kind of lubricating oil that will keep that machine running smoothly. Clinton was greasy, smarmy and charming, and that's exactly why his approach worked.


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