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7,511 KIDS Among US Drone Death Toll; 31X Higher Civilian Kill Rate Than Admitted

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posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 04:19 PM
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What in the world is going on behind (so many) 'enemy' lines for decades now with no end in sight?



Is the ultimate goal clearing the fields (countries) for Western occupation? Sure seems so, at this rate.

whowhatwhy.org...



Trump administration is not only expanding the use of drones, it is also obscuring the facts about how many drones are being used, how many people are being killed by them and where.

The government has all but officially suppressed information coming out about US policy concerning drone warfare. Journalists and academics we spoke with for this article agree that information about the frequency, location and impact of drone strikes is being obfuscated.

Sarah Kreps, author of Drones: What We Need to Know and an associate professor of government at Cornell University, agreed that information concerning the US drone war has become “murkier” and that “more drone strikes” are probably occurring.





US Drone strikes simultaneously in several countries east, west, north, south from now on?!


edit on Mon Jan 1 2018 by DontTreadOnMe because: trimmed overly long quote IMPORTANT: Using Content From Other Websites on ATS



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posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 04:27 PM
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Trump haters IGNORE how many kids Roe V Wade has killed.

Pot says to the kettle ?

I'm better.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: Planette

I find it funny that someone who claims the "deep state" is working against him has no problems handing over the drone program to the CIA, with even less transparency than the Obama administration.


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posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 04:32 PM
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www.theguardian.com...


One bombing technique that President Obama championed is drone strikes. As drone-warrior-in-chief, he spread the use of drones outside the declared battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, mainly to Pakistan and Yemen. Obama authorized over 10 times more drone strikes than George W Bush, and automatically painted all males of military age in these regions as combatants, making them fair game for remote controlled killing.




Right. Obama bombed the crap out of the ME for years and even bragged "I'm good at killing people"....but let's blame Trump.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 04:44 PM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
www.theguardian.com...


One bombing technique that President Obama championed is drone strikes. As drone-warrior-in-chief, he spread the use of drones outside the declared battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, mainly to Pakistan and Yemen. Obama authorized over 10 times more drone strikes than George W Bush, and automatically painted all males of military age in these regions as combatants, making them fair game for remote controlled killing.




Right. Obama bombed the crap out of the ME for years and even bragged "I'm good at killing people"....but let's blame Trump.


Two wrongs don't make a right. Obama was bad. As is Trump.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
www.theguardian.com...


One bombing technique that President Obama championed is drone strikes. As drone-warrior-in-chief, he spread the use of drones outside the declared battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, mainly to Pakistan and Yemen. Obama authorized over 10 times more drone strikes than George W Bush, and automatically painted all males of military age in these regions as combatants, making them fair game for remote controlled killing.




Right. Obama bombed the crap out of the ME for years and even bragged "I'm good at killing people"....but let's blame Trump.


Former President Obama earned the nickname of “Drone King” when he dramatically escalated the use of drone strikes, while also downplaying the number of innocent civilians who became “collateral damage.” In the two years that his administration devoted to publicly spending millions of taxpayer dollars to fight the Islamic State group, the estimated civilian death toll ranged from 2,300 to 3,400, according to Airwars, an organization tracking deaths in the war against ISIS.


President Trump has been in office for just 9 months, and he has already surpassed Obama’s murderous record with estimated numbers as high as 4,500 civilian deaths.

www.ronpaullibertyreport.com...
airwars.org...

How about we talk about the current commander in chief who is even worse than Obama when it comes to drone strikes? But Obama doesn't exactly work here.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 04:51 PM
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a reply to: Shakawkaw

I can agree with that. But before the Trump haters come flocking in to cry about all the dead kids, they damn well better get the score straight.



Pushed to release information about civilian deaths in drone strikes, in July 2016 the US government made the absurd claim it had killed, at most, 116 civilians in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya between 2009 and 2015. Journalists and human rights advocates said the numbers were ridiculously low and unverifiable, given that no names, dates, locations or others details were released. The London-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism, which has tracked drone strikes for years, said the true figure was six times higher.
Given that drones account for only a small portion of the munitions dropped in the past eight years, the numbers of civilians killed by Obama’s bombs could be in the thousands. But we can’t know for sure as the administration, and the mainstream media, has been virtually silent about the civilian toll of the administration’s failed interventions.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Trump haters IGNORE how many kids Roe V Wade has killed.

Pot says to the kettle ?

I'm better.


Okay....but why are you ignoring the OP?



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: underwerks
When did he do that? As far as I know he simply removed himself from the process of approving strikes and granting it to the DOD to pursue as they see fit. Gloves off approach for them.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: DAVID64

So how do you feel supporting your presidents and their murdering rampages ?



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 05:01 PM
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It ain't the damn scapegoat presiders doin it, its the Pentagon. Or the Industrial Military Complex, the Deep state and Proxy nations like Saudi Arabia.

Drone strikes are just one aspect of all the aggressive war being waged on people.

They'll be quick to tell you its only combatants getting kilt but really, how many 'collateral' funerals, weddings, schools and hospitals are destroyed by bombs, gunships and Hell Fire missiles?

War is murder and wholesale destruction of sovereign nations, for profit.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 05:02 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

airwars.org...

At Airwars we've been modelling Coalition airstrike data since the start of operations in August 2014,


Missing a bit there aren't they? They just happen to not have 6 years of bombing data on Obama, but they can say with absolute certainty that Trump is worse?

And your source at Ronpaul just quotes the numbers from Airwars.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: underwerks
When did he do that? As far as I know he simply removed himself from the process of approving strikes and granting it to the DOD to pursue as they see fit. Gloves off approach for them.



President Donald Trump has granted the CIA authority to conduct lethal drone strikes once again, according to a news report, rolling back the limits his predecessor Barack Obama imposed on the spy agency's paramilitary operations.



Where as previously, National Security Council officials or even the president himself would authorize these strikes, the new rules Trump has reportedly enacted allow CIA supervisors and others managing these covert operations to give the OK themselves.


www.usnews.com...



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 05:04 PM
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Ah, so when Obama was piloting the drone program (which I was opposed to) it was most definitely a problem, but now that Trump has expanded it to the "deep state," CIA - it's not a big deal, because liberals like to kill dead babies, and because Obama did it first.

Mental gymnastics at its finest.

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posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: underwerks

airwars.org...

At Airwars we've been modelling Coalition airstrike data since the start of operations in August 2014,


Missing a bit there aren't they? They just happen to not have 6 years of bombing data on Obama, but they can say with absolute certainty that Trump is worse?

And your source at Ronpaul just quotes the numbers from Airwars.

Look at the numbers. If you don't agree with them, show me where their methodology is wrong.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: underwerks
Well that sucks. They tend to just kill the guy threatening to expose their drug smuggling operations. Boo! I don't care for that at all.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Can you quote where I said I supported it?

No?

Maybe try not putting words in my mouth.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Unfortunately Trump's whoppers come thick and fast however to the faithful mealy mouthed crap,doing about faces etc is 4 dimensional chess.Its obvious to non-Americans zionists and neo-cons are still in charge.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: underwerks
Well that sucks. They tend to just kill the guy threatening to expose their drug smuggling operations. Boo! I don't care for that at all.

The drone program was why I could never take Obama seriously. Now there's even less transparency, and with the CIA having more autonomy you can probably look for drone strikes coming to a non-war zone near you.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Can you quote where I said I supported it?

No?

Maybe try not putting words in my mouth.






You immediately tried to deflect and steer the conversation into a partisan debate.....



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