Tehran's brutallity opens path for Trump to flex on Iran

originally posted by: airowineSailorcat

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: TinfoilTP



The world's a nasty place. For most of them seventy years there was this little thing called a Cold War going on. You appear to be a left over from the enemy side. 5th columnists are easy to spot, they instinctually jump right in and start listing off how bad the US is no matter what the subject is. N Korea, Iran, immigration, you name it, the same old anti-US rhetoric gets spewed forth with zero subtlety.

Throwing around words like communist makes you feel more american does it? Just because people can spot problems in our own country doesn't make us communists. The whole "red" scare was a fabrication. Read a little, you might be surprised how the US did everything it could to subvert legitimate governments, just to perpetuate the "myth" of the communist. The US even turned it's back on revolutions which became communist only AFTER we ignored them.

The world isn't black and white (or red.) It's subtle shades of subterfuge and manipulation, and you've fallen for it.

funny is in the case of muslims they like easy to be surpsily doing the liberal thing and start talking about bringing DEMOCRATS to other countrys

I'm not talking about muslims or liberals, I'm commenting on communism.

And the funny thing about the US, we did a lot of talking about bringing democracy to other countries...but only we we could install puppet regimes.

So don't think this is a black/white issue because it's not. It's so freaking murky in there that we don't know what the US caused and what the US didn't cause.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
As they say, never let a crisis go to waste.

Rock on Rocketboy Rahm Emanual!

You ARE a closet member of Soros Cabal afterall!

That Cabal bumbled Syria and allowed the 2009 uprising in Iran to go to the slaughter, only after they vacated Iraq causing a vacuum and backed the wrong side in Egypt. Sat by and let a Toyota army take all the gear that took out Saddam, and was afraid to fire a shot unless it was telegraphed to the enemy months in advance. History will record that Cabal squandered US power and was a disgrace bringing unnecessary death and the rise of terror through weakness.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

A situation that wouldnt have existed were it not for the primitive psychopathic barbaric policy you'd have US continue yet some more.

We set up every step of the way over there since the 50's in messing with the governments of both Iraq & Iran, and a constant pattern of destabilization from then till now.

And you want to continue the destabilization?

GO ENLIST.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: TinfoilTP

A situation that wouldnt have existed were it not for the primitive psychopathic barbaric policy you'd have US continue yet some more.

We set up every step of the way over there since the 50's in messing with the governments of both Iraq & Iran, and a constant pattern of destabilization from then till now.

And you want to continue the destabilization?

GO ENLIST.

Nope, they are destabilizing themselves. Seeking nukes, starving their own people then butchering them. Any intervention would be for stabilization. For example, remove nuke facilities or regime change or both. Their regime are already hollering death to America and supporting terror so there is no downside.

Having read the op, that with Tehran flexing its muscle and cracking down on protest, that Trump will have a reason to move in and take action against Iran.

Here is what can be stated:

When one looks or talks about Iran, perhaps it is a good idea to look at the history of the country, as it will give a bit of perspective and an idea on what is going to happen in the future and any and all actions that the US may take.

Iran is an old country, having been around going back thousands of years. At one time it was known as Persia, having its own empire, and ultimately the boarders increased and decreased over time. Now the modern day Iran was formed in the 1935, when the ruling Shah at the time asked that the country be referred to as Iran. The country changed from Persia to Iran in 1959. In 1941, it was an ally of the Nazi party. The allies invaded in August of 1941, and overwhelmed a weakened national army. In 1943, there was the Tehran Conference, where the boarders of Iran were to be established and agreed on by the Allies. However, that did not go as plan, as the Soviet Union, did not want to leave and refuse to withdraw, and tried backing several failed revolts in the country.

Now initially after World War II, the country was ruled by a constitutional monarchy, where the new Shah took a hands off approach, leaving the governing of the country to the parliament to handle. The elections to that governing body was shaky, unstable and full of corruption. But it was slowly working and gaining support from the local population. That went up to 1953. In 1953, there was a coup that removed the Shaw from power, and let the people decide. The premier was elected by the people and leaning towards supporting the Soviet Union. And what happened next set the stage for Iran that we know today. In 1953, after the Shah was removed from power, the US CIA started to go to work and organized a coup that was headed by a retired army General. It removed the prime minister and he was arrested and tried for treason. Other governing persons were also caught up in this and removed from office, some got off with a light sentence, others were executed. The Shah was reinstated, and he then went to be ruled as an autocracy, backed by the US government. What was worse was that the natural resources, the oil that was in Iran was ran by a consortium, and the country was supposed to receive 50% of the profit, however was never allowed to audit the books or even have much access to the people on the board. This continued to 1973, when the Shah returned the oil industry to national control.

Now in 1979, there was the Iranian Revolution, and the Shah was deposed and removed from power, and thus it was changed to an Islamic republic. In the 1980’s there was the Iran-Iraq war. The US supported Hussein, and even helped him acquire chemical weapons that were used during that war against the Iranians at that time frame. After the war was over, there were further changes in the country.

Now here is the problem, if the US moves against Iran, it would mean that we could end up where the entire country of Iran ends up hating the USA. And it would give the more hard line elements in the countries government justification and actually may stop the protests and force the more moderate parts of that government and voices to remain silent. Many of the more moderate voices and some in the larger cities, like the USA and see some of the things that the USA has and wants, however, they also know their history and do not trust that the USA would have their best interest, often pointing to the time that the USA killed their democracy, and that the USA does not honor its agreements.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

How is any of that any of your business?

And they should scream death to America when we're responsible for millions being slaughter and chemical weaponed over this spanse.

WHAT WOULD YOU BE SCREAMING??? Answer the question!!!

We're the Nazi Empire, the Roman's, the Hittite's, the EVIL EMPIRE... the USSA.

All because of this policy you insist. Were it not for this kind of policy then we wouldn't be, we'd be the vision you have in your head of what you think we are.

But that isnt reality.

This game you push, thats the Deep State, the MSM, the NWO, thats the GLOBALISTS, all of which you're supposedly diametrically opposed to.

They've got your brain by the balls.

Wake up.

a reply to: gortex

only because obama agreed to give them money if we told them we don't negotiate we likely would have had several dead seamen and sealadies sold as sex slaves.

I'm sure those who are upset about Iran's government regime will sign up to go and fight the war they foam at the mouth for.

You know what I find funny?

It's not the federal governments responsibility to provide healthcare for its citizenry, but it's the federal governments responsibility to wage war and invade sovereign nations to "protect,"... who, exactly?

The American people? Right, we have so much to benefit from yet another war. The American people (especially veterans) prospered during the last three wars!

The war drums for Iran have been beating for years. It's a part of a bigger plan. This is the "deep state," at work - and as usual, people will defend it because of good propaganda and conditioning.

Americans are obsessed with war but always want Uncle Sam and young Americans to fight it for them. Trans people shouldn't be allowed to serve, but we should definitely invade Iran.

Because humanitarianism!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Other than a marine truck bombing back in the 1980's in Lebanon I am not aware of any other act of Iranian terror,in fact it was Iranian backed Hezbollah,Syrians and Russians saving Christians in Syria whilst the west trained the headchoppers,cruxifiers and rapists to unleash hell.We are now in a post truth society Ive told people here whats going on hell even supplied names with regards to ISIS,human organ and drug trafficking,sex slavery and all the rest of it,if Im lucky I might get a star or a flag but were now in a state of denial and Im afraid the wake up call will be biblical and too late for most.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: TinfoilTP

How is any of that any of your business?

And they should scream death to America when we're responsible for millions being slaughter and chemical weaponed over this spanse.

WHAT WOULD YOU BE SCREAMING??? Answer the question!!!

We're the Nazi Empire, the Roman's, the Hittite's, the EVIL EMPIRE... the USSA.

All because of this policy you insist. Were it not for this kind of policy then we wouldn't be, we'd be the vision you have in your head of what you think we are.

But that isnt reality.

This game you push, thats the Deep State, the MSM, the NWO, thats the GLOBALISTS, all of which you're supposedly diametrically opposed to.

They've got your brain by the balls.

Wake up.

Nope, seems whoever would help them remove the oppressive Islamic regime they no longer can tolerate would be welcomed with open arms.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: TinfoilTP

A situation that wouldnt have existed were it not for the primitive psychopathic barbaric policy you'd have US continue yet some more.

We set up every step of the way over there since the 50's in messing with the governments of both Iraq & Iran, and a constant pattern of destabilization from then till now.

And you want to continue the destabilization?

GO ENLIST.

Nope, they are destabilizing themselves. Seeking nukes, starving their own people then butchering them. Any intervention would be for stabilization. For example, remove nuke facilities or regime change or both. Their regime are already hollering death to America and supporting terror so there is no downside.

Sounds like the same bull# bush and blair tried selling the world back in 2003.

Sorry not buying it.

1) there is no proof of Iranian nukes.

2) USA has never stablised anything in the middle east, just made things worse.

3)dumb arse Americans are hollowing death to iran ( as can be seen on this thread). So I dont blame them hollowering death to America back, especially when the USA sold iraq weapons to use on Iran and where responsible for the original goverment being overthrown.

4) USA supports its own brand of terrorism.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: TinfoilTP

How is any of that any of your business?

And they should scream death to America when we're responsible for millions being slaughter and chemical weaponed over this spanse.

WHAT WOULD YOU BE SCREAMING??? Answer the question!!!

We're the Nazi Empire, the Roman's, the Hittite's, the EVIL EMPIRE... the USSA.

All because of this policy you insist. Were it not for this kind of policy then we wouldn't be, we'd be the vision you have in your head of what you think we are.

But that isnt reality.

This game you push, thats the Deep State, the MSM, the NWO, thats the GLOBALISTS, all of which you're supposedly diametrically opposed to.

They've got your brain by the balls.

Wake up.

Nope, seems whoever would help them remove the oppressive Islamic regime they no longer can tolerate would be welcomed with open arms.

Neocon dip#s said the same thing about Iraq and Libya......how did that turn out?


You Americans sure do have gold fish memories.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

That's your total response to all that?

originally posted by: RomeByFire
I'm sure those who are upset about Iran's government regime will sign up to go and fight the war they foam at the mouth for.

You know what I find funny?

It's not the federal governments responsibility to provide healthcare for its citizenry, but it's the federal governments responsibility to wage war and invade sovereign nations to "protect,"... who, exactly?

The American people? Right, we have so much to benefit from yet another war. The American people (especially veterans) prospered during the last three wars!

The war drums for Iran have been beating for years. It's a part of a bigger plan. This is the "deep state," at work - and as usual, people will defend it because of good propaganda and conditioning.

Americans are obsessed with war but always want Uncle Sam and young Americans to fight it for them. Trans people shouldn't be allowed to serve, but we should definitely invade Iran.

Because humanitarianism!

Sounds to me like the reason we have debt is because they created it, the reason we have the third world is because they created it, the reason we have wars are because they create them they fund and implement them to a pre-designed strategy.

You know I bet if they really wanted to they have the money and the power to eliminate all nations debt, to feed every starving mouth, to provide everyone clean water and effectively to end all war by removing the "funding"......

Do we not support yearning for freedoms in Iran if it's what they are attempting? Or do we just allow them to be crushed yet again? Its a delicate balancing act. We will know what to do by the actions of the Iranian People.

originally posted by: Theprodicalson

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: TinfoilTP

How is any of that any of your business?

And they should scream death to America when we're responsible for millions being slaughter and chemical weaponed over this spanse.

WHAT WOULD YOU BE SCREAMING??? Answer the question!!!

We're the Nazi Empire, the Roman's, the Hittite's, the EVIL EMPIRE... the USSA.

All because of this policy you insist. Were it not for this kind of policy then we wouldn't be, we'd be the vision you have in your head of what you think we are.

But that isnt reality.

This game you push, thats the Deep State, the MSM, the NWO, thats the GLOBALISTS, all of which you're supposedly diametrically opposed to.

They've got your brain by the balls.

Wake up.

Nope, seems whoever would help them remove the oppressive Islamic regime they no longer can tolerate would be welcomed with open arms.

Neocon dip#s said the same thing about Iraq and Libya......how did that turn out?


You Americans sure do have gold fish memories.

Was fine till Obama came along, tucked tail and ran leaving a vacuum.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

You clearly aren't well informed on everything that went down in Iraq during Bush if you beLIEve that.

Try googling the Death Squads.

Try factoring how Al Qaeda wasn't there killing people, nor ISIS, and then they were.

Look up the raping of antiquities, the corruption, the torture, Abe Gharib, the missing billions, the hundreds of thousands of maimed children, and maimed troops, and devastated families, our troops suicide rates, the devastation of their psyche from the things they did / had to do / seen... shall I go on?

Go pull up some photos reels of the dead splattered bodies. I have. Study them. Stare at them. Make videos with them. I have. I feel for them, our people, their people. Can you?

All Obama did was set free the abominations your policy created.

And for what? So Neocon's could stoke their egos, so the Deep State could run narocoterrorism, so the NWO could plunder our nation and pump up our national debt, so Obama could rise to power and set in motion the capstone of the whole plan: an migrant crisis thus further driving the narcoterrorism game into the EU.

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton, Bush, Clinton they're all the same running the same decades long operation so for you to endorse any of it you're in truth part of all of it.

originally posted by: pavil
Do we not support yearning for freedoms in Iran if it's what they are attempting? Or do we just allow them to be crushed yet again? Its a delicate balancing act. We will know what to do by the actions of the Iranian People.

The people of Iran are going about there everyday life's working, like most of us do everyday.
Now this delicate balancing act your talking about ends when we go over there and turn all there cars and houses to a pile of rubble.
All because our mainstream and alternative media keeps showing us the dark side of Iran. freedom fighters fighting there own government.
You don't get to see on the other side where the people are enjoying a nice day at the park ,just the dark side..

Just for the ones that still beleave it matters who's in Office ill pick on Hillary.

If Hillary would have won the election and tried to take our Guns out of our homes the propaganda pictures on the news with fighting and all the freedom fighters against a "oppressive Islamic regime", that would have been us against a oppressive American regime.
with the shoe on the other foot I really don't beleave the Iranians or any other country would give a rats about us....for there own humanitarian reasons they would stay out of it.

The only delicate balancing act I see, is financial turmoil, disrupting a country’s, currency.“Make the terrorism stop!” “Solve the immigrant problem!” “Get the country out of its financial morass!” looks like were going to have to blow up another country....

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Funny how every time a foreign country has or, is claimed, to have some internal turmoil, which is yet to confirmed as fact and is within the scale claimed, suddenly its an excuse/reason for the US govt to start meddling in that countries internal affairs.

With such self serving claim as this, its amazing how some in the US are still not yet wise enough, experienced enough, inadequately read, ignorant of but seemingly, gullible enough to believe the US govt has the right to invade the country, throw the local govt out, install their own stooge to run the place and sell every asset worth having in the country, to US corporations for peanuts.

Such people must have come down in the last shower to be this far out of touch with how the US govt behaves these situations ??

I cant believe this.

This is the thinking Obama fostered and bred from a self imposed position of weakness, time to flex Super Power might and protect US interests. Ending rogue regimes nuclear ambitions are at the top of the list. Iran made a mistake, Trump is watching, any change in Iran has global implications because lil Rocket Boy is watching also.

" time to flex Super Power might and protect US interests. Ending rogue regimes nuclear ambitions are at the top of the list."

What are US interests in Iran apart from oil it does not control?

Again, its strange that a country like Iran that the US does not control or which does not have a central bank automatically and concurrently, also has nuclear ambitions.

Seems to me what is being suggested here is that "US interests" oil and Nuclear ambitions/weapons is always used in the same sentence.

Surely a reasonably educated American who posts on these forums can see through this ?

Is it the case that people who say and believe these sorts of statements and post on here are to that effect are not reasonably educated?

originally posted by: Theprodicalson

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Do you really think that war is the solution? How about the US just mind it's own business for once in this 21st Century?

How did that mindset work at Munich?

If you want war so much then you willing to volunteer to fight it ? Or you just going to cluck from the sidelines like a chicken hawk?

So you cant answer the question.... ok

As for volunteering absolutely I would. I refuse to allow the world to descend back into a world war simply because people, such as yourself, have no spine.