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US military to accept transgender recruits after courts block Donald Trump’s ban

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posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: antiantonym

The US president announced in July that he planned to block the Obama-era policy of accepting transgender people into the military.

But the government has accepted defeat after federal appeals courts in Washington and Virginia ruled against the president, who will not challenge them.
metro.co.uk...


I'm always interested to see how Trumpers try to turn everything Trump does into "winning." Here's my guess as to how they'll spin this:

"Trump's order was overturned. Time to clean house in the deep state. Trump is just making the traitors expose themselves. #MAGA"

Alright Trumpists, Trump's been in power for a year. Time is running out. You've most likely got three years left.

You can't keep making promises forever.


The U.S. Military does not operate under the constitution. Civilian courts do not have a say in what or how the Military does. That is the job of the Commander and Chief. He is law for the military.

The military specifically operates legal matters under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The Commander & Chief is judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to military law. UCMJ.


I AM A ROBOT HOORAH


When you join the military it is made perfectly clear that you should give you heart to God, because your ass belongs to the military.


If you watch too much television, sure. If not, you understand that you may have a chaplain representing one of several different gods at your disposal.

And no, nobody's ass belongs to the military. You sign a contract and you fulfill it. The oath is to protect Americans, not to obey some marmalade ball of emo chaos until they die.



The role of a soldier is to follow orders, even if those order upset your fragile sensibilities. You also learn words like, Honor, Integrity, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Courage. There was time when those words actually meant something, but now a days they only mean something to too few.


Agreed.

Honor, integrity, loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, and courage?

They mean oh soooooooo much under a draft-dodging commander in chief.


Doesn't matter if it is a Draft dodger or not. The oath is to the position, not the man.

And I can guarantee you that they will mean the world to that position.


A position our commander-in-chief dodged.

Lol.


He was actually voted to the position. Commander & Chief.


True. Less than half of US voters voted in a draft-dodger to command our troops. Agreed.


That hate you have will not do you any good.


Whatever, Bizarro Yoda. Just keep it real over on the dark side while the rest of us grow up.


You still mad cause Darth Hilary lost. That's all.




posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: antiantonym

The US president announced in July that he planned to block the Obama-era policy of accepting transgender people into the military.

But the government has accepted defeat after federal appeals courts in Washington and Virginia ruled against the president, who will not challenge them.
metro.co.uk...


I'm always interested to see how Trumpers try to turn everything Trump does into "winning." Here's my guess as to how they'll spin this:

"Trump's order was overturned. Time to clean house in the deep state. Trump is just making the traitors expose themselves. #MAGA"

Alright Trumpists, Trump's been in power for a year. Time is running out. You've most likely got three years left.

You can't keep making promises forever.


The U.S. Military does not operate under the constitution. Civilian courts do not have a say in what or how the Military does. That is the job of the Commander and Chief. He is law for the military.

The military specifically operates legal matters under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The Commander & Chief is judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to military law. UCMJ.


I AM A ROBOT HOORAH


When you join the military it is made perfectly clear that you should give you heart to God, because your ass belongs to the military.


If you watch too much television, sure. If not, you understand that you may have a chaplain representing one of several different gods at your disposal.

And no, nobody's ass belongs to the military. You sign a contract and you fulfill it. The oath is to protect Americans, not to obey some marmalade ball of emo chaos until they die.



The role of a soldier is to follow orders, even if those order upset your fragile sensibilities. You also learn words like, Honor, Integrity, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Courage. There was time when those words actually meant something, but now a days they only mean something to too few.


Agreed.

Honor, integrity, loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, and courage?

They mean oh soooooooo much under a draft-dodging commander in chief.


Doesn't matter if it is a Draft dodger or not. The oath is to the position, not the man.

And I can guarantee you that they will mean the world to that position.


A position our commander-in-chief dodged.

Lol.


He was actually voted to the position. Commander & Chief.


True. Less than half of US voters voted in a draft-dodger to command our troops. Agreed.


That hate you have will not do you any good.


Whatever, Bizarro Yoda. Just keep it real over on the dark side while the rest of us grow up.


You still mad cause Darth Hilary lost. That's all.


Oh, they gonna be even madder when the DoD’s study provides valid reasons for keeping trannies out of the military. MAGA



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: EvidenceNibbler

Mad? No.

Perplexed? Maybe. What with the studies they’ve, being DoD, already done that have said the impact would be negligible.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: EvidenceNibbler

Tell me have you served?.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: antiantonym

The US president announced in July that he planned to block the Obama-era policy of accepting transgender people into the military.

But the government has accepted defeat after federal appeals courts in Washington and Virginia ruled against the president, who will not challenge them.
metro.co.uk...


I'm always interested to see how Trumpers try to turn everything Trump does into "winning." Here's my guess as to how they'll spin this:

"Trump's order was overturned. Time to clean house in the deep state. Trump is just making the traitors expose themselves. #MAGA"

Alright Trumpists, Trump's been in power for a year. Time is running out. You've most likely got three years left.

You can't keep making promises forever.


The U.S. Military does not operate under the constitution. Civilian courts do not have a say in what or how the Military does. That is the job of the Commander and Chief. He is law for the military.

The military specifically operates legal matters under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The Commander & Chief is judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to military law. UCMJ.


I AM A ROBOT HOORAH


When you join the military it is made perfectly clear that you should give you heart to God, because your ass belongs to the military.


If you watch too much television, sure. If not, you understand that you may have a chaplain representing one of several different gods at your disposal.

And no, nobody's ass belongs to the military. You sign a contract and you fulfill it. The oath is to protect Americans, not to obey some marmalade ball of emo chaos until they die.



The role of a soldier is to follow orders, even if those order upset your fragile sensibilities. You also learn words like, Honor, Integrity, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Courage. There was time when those words actually meant something, but now a days they only mean something to too few.


Agreed.

Honor, integrity, loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, and courage?

They mean oh soooooooo much under a draft-dodging commander in chief.


Doesn't matter if it is a Draft dodger or not. The oath is to the position, not the man.

And I can guarantee you that they will mean the world to that position.


A position our commander-in-chief dodged.

Lol.


He was actually voted to the position. Commander & Chief.


True. Less than half of US voters voted in a draft-dodger to command our troops. Agreed.


That hate you have will not do you any good.


Whatever, Bizarro Yoda. Just keep it real over on the dark side while the rest of us grow up.


You still mad cause Darth Hilary lost. That's all.


I love the myopic perspectives on ATS. Is it truly beyond your scope of awareness that being critical of Trump doesn't mean you are pro Hillary? I didn't vote for her, fyi.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: EvidenceNibbler

Tell me have you served?.
Have you?



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 03:09 PM
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I still personally stand by the concept of "if someone is having issues with their own gender, gender change, or gender swap, then I don't want them watching my 6."
Already have enough crap to worry about rather than Mike's life problems of becoming Michelle.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 03:13 PM
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On second thought I'd be cool with Transexuals in the military as long as they have desk jobs and don't get free sex change surgeries on my tax dime.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

why you going race route when the republicans was the antislavery party just putting that out there.

no i don't have a problem with them serving but if they planning corrective surgery they need to do it before enlisting or after leaving service because it takes so long to heal after the surgery and get back into combat shape. and don't say well women having babies some times take awhile to health. this is totally elective surgery
edit on 31-12-2017 by proteus33 because: spelling



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

I respectfully disagree with you. Military standards are a separate issue, and they have not changed in regards to this issue. Transgender people must meet the same physical and psychological standards as all other members of the military. In my humble opinion, our military has a manpower problem and I think we should open the doors for any and all who are willing and able, so that when the time comes we don't end up with those unwilling or unable.

Cheers!



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 10:28 PM
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I realize I'm late to the thread, however, here's my two cents.

In what context does someone who's never served have any buisness deciding who's eligible to serve?

Sounds like more liberal idealistic reinforcement to me.
What better way to destroy the last bastion of patriotism than to destroy morale in the service?

I don't care who gets their panties twisted about this- you do not join the military unless you are a patriot.

It's not supposed to be a safe space for crybaby rs who want college money. It's supposed to be someone volunteering to defend the country they love and all it stands for.
Not a political game.
Not a statement for your ideology.
Just pure service for the country that has given you the freedoms to live how you wish too. And to defend the rights of said country so others can do the same.

If you have mental health issues in this country - you cannot possess a firearm- so how is it that someone who doesn't even know what in the hell is going on with their physiological makeup is allowed to?

If you decide to change gender, you have deep things that need to be to sorted out. Full psychological evaluation is necessary take sure these people are stable enough to possess weapons and secure/classified information.
This should only be handled by military personnel- civilians simply do not understand the ramifications of the duty involved.
Let's not forget you take an oath to serve the constitution and the country. It's not reversible just because you change identity or political views in the interim.
If Transgender people want to serv their country-
They better prove it's for the right reasons. And if not-
Be ready to sit in the damn brig for life...

The service is not hollywood.
You don't get choices.
You don't get an opinion.

You sign your rights away- don't forget that.

edit on 31-12-2017 by Hewhowaits because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 10:37 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


Bingo.

Perfection.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 11:13 PM
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a reply to: antiantonym

Human shields?

Mine sweepers?




posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: antiantonym

I'm always interested to see how Trumpers try to turn everything Trump does into "winning." Here's my guess as to how they'll spin this:


All Trump has to do is write an executive order declaring transgenders to be "enemy combatants" for their role in attacking and destroying the American Society as we know it, and no transgender will be able to enter the military, except as prisoners at Gitmo.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: Abysha




I love the myopic perspectives on ATS. Is it truly beyond your scope of awareness that being critical of Trump doesn't mean you are pro Hillary


I am aware that being critical of someone and down right nasty to someone is two different things. I also love myopic perspectives on ATS. It is beyond your scope of awareness to realize that you are being an ass.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 11:27 PM
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originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: antiantonym

The US president announced in July that he planned to block the Obama-era policy of accepting transgender people into the military.

But the government has accepted defeat after federal appeals courts in Washington and Virginia ruled against the president, who will not challenge them.
metro.co.uk...


I'm always interested to see how Trumpers try to turn everything Trump does into "winning." Here's my guess as to how they'll spin this:

"Trump's order was overturned. Time to clean house in the deep state. Trump is just making the traitors expose themselves. #MAGA"

Alright Trumpists, Trump's been in power for a year. Time is running out. You've most likely got three years left.

You can't keep making promises forever.


The U.S. Military does not operate under the constitution. Civilian courts do not have a say in what or how the Military does. That is the job of the Commander and Chief. He is law for the military.

The military specifically operates legal matters under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The Commander & Chief is judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to military law. UCMJ.


I AM A ROBOT HOORAH


When you join the military it is made perfectly clear that you should give you heart to God, because your ass belongs to the military.


If you watch too much television, sure. If not, you understand that you may have a chaplain representing one of several different gods at your disposal.

And no, nobody's ass belongs to the military. You sign a contract and you fulfill it. The oath is to protect Americans, not to obey some marmalade ball of emo chaos until they die.



The role of a soldier is to follow orders, even if those order upset your fragile sensibilities. You also learn words like, Honor, Integrity, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Courage. There was time when those words actually meant something, but now a days they only mean something to too few.


Agreed.

Honor, integrity, loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, and courage?

They mean oh soooooooo much under a draft-dodging commander in chief.


Doesn't matter if it is a Draft dodger or not. The oath is to the position, not the man.

And I can guarantee you that they will mean the world to that position.


A position our commander-in-chief dodged.

Lol.


He was actually voted to the position. Commander & Chief.


True. Less than half of US voters voted in a draft-dodger to command our troops. Agreed.


That hate you have will not do you any good.


Whatever, Bizarro Yoda. Just keep it real over on the dark side while the rest of us grow up.


You still mad cause Darth Hilary lost. That's all.


Oh, they gonna be even madder when the DoD’s study provides valid reasons for keeping trannies out of the military. MAGA


The only valid reason they need is what the UCMJ say's about it. Commander & Chiefs call.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 06:19 AM
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a reply to: Hewhowaits


In what context does someone who's never served have any buisness deciding who's eligible to serve? Sounds like more liberal idealistic reinforcement to me.


Funny, given our current President’s lack of service.

I suppose this is one of those arguments that only applies to one side but not the other, eh?



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: antiantonym

Unlike the mindless leftists who only believe what their party masters tell them, many of us "Trump supporters" were against the president on this issue.

If people are able to serve and want to serve, then they should be given the opportunity to serve.


I completely agree with the latter. If Caitlin Jenner wanted to kick ass and take names then why shouldn't she be allowed to serve the nation? Jeez if you can hold your own on the battlefield then who gives a $h!t what gender they are?



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: testingtesting

Still no one has come back and explained why physically trans folk should not be able to join the military.


I'd say the same reason they don't allow diabetics most likely but they will have a study soon.



posted on Jan, 1 2018 @ 11:39 AM
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If tran applicants can outperform non tran applicants, then I'm all for it. But there should not be affirmative action that specifies a certain percentage of military personnel must be tran.




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