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US military to accept transgender recruits after courts block Donald Trump’s ban

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posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
If you are physically and mentally able to perform the duties of a member of the armed services, then you should be given the honor of doing so.

It's really that simple.


You and I, we think similarly on many things, it's really that simple.




posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

The military is a rare organization where it teaches (almost forces) to you to be inclusive. I'd almost say military people are more inclusive.

Everyone has biases, everyone has different ideologies.

But when you put on a uniform, all of the biases leave. They have to leave, they have to be ignored or forgotten because you have to rely on the person next to you, and they have to rely on you.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: antiantonym

It's odd that the people that blew a gasket when the law was changed to allow people with an eating disorder the priviledge of owning a gun are so heavily invested in placing military weapons in the hands of a group with the highest depression/suicide rates.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
If you are physically and mentally able to perform the duties of a member of the armed services, then you should be given the honor of doing so.

It's really that simple.


It sure should be.

If you show signs of distress in or after combat a discharge is warranted.

If you are a human weapon with exceptional skill and mental stability it shouldn't matter what you believe.

I am sure plenty of strait regular folks have mental problems before or during service so there is a protocol. Don't change it and it's fine.

If identifying as the terminator or a wolf makes you stronger and you are stable mentally so be it. Who gives a crap..seriously. you could have a vaginal put in your fore arm for all I care as long as the same rules apply.
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posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 10:16 AM
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People should be more concerned the army is becoming fat and out of shape.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: antiantonym

I see no problem with transgender people serving in the military - so long as they :
- can do the exact same job as their male counterparts
- no snowflake privileges are granted to them for their 'uniqueness'
- the are treated the same in boot camp

If they can act/respect the military for the bonding and brotherhood institution that it aims to be, then cool.

If, however, special provisions have to be provided, or they say the environment isn't conducive to their snowflake needs, they get ejected.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Cutepants

I'm not so sure they do a lot of marching these days. Companies don't march from place to place they ride in jeeps and trucks and big ass planes to get around. I don't wonder that this condition may come off the list. It should.


The only thing different about infantry warfare today than during Roman times is the tools used to do the job.

Being able to walk miles on miles on miles will never “come off the list” of basic, core abilities.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: antiantonym


I'm always interested to see how Trumpers try to turn everything Trump does into "winning."


As you try to turn the decisions affecting real people into cheap political points???

My heart goes out to the transgender community as a whole. Real people with real problems and real suffering being exploited and manipulated for political purposes and no real concern by either side for their health and well-being.

Really pathetic.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 10:46 AM
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The military functions along three main strands; discipline, morale, and unit cohesion. If it can be absolutely determined that transgender service has no negative impact on these central strands, there is no issue.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

*laughs*


Imagining an infantryman calling Uber.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Sublimecraft

The military is a rare organization where it teaches (almost forces) to you to be inclusive. I'd almost say military people are more inclusive.

Everyone has biases, everyone has different ideologies.

But when you put on a uniform, all of the biases leave. They have to leave, they have to be ignored or forgotten because you have to rely on the person next to you, and they have to rely on you.


Uhm... not entirely. Women in the military have a different experience in many cases (see the military's own reports on harassment and sexual misconduct.) And not every unit is inclusive (again, based on military reports.)

Yes, they're supposed to be and that's the best part of it. However, in practice it is not as true as your blanket statement makes it out to be.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: Byrd

Dammit!

You mean the military isn't perfect????

(looking for my "shocked" face)




posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 11:14 AM
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my active duty military spouse is fine serving with transgender troops... just as he is fine serving with troops of a different race, gender, religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation, and what have you... because they're there to do a job. we need people in the service who are able to overcome their personal junk and serve, that to me is a more important priority than excluding someone because someone else can't keep their head in the game and is too worried about what the other person might or might not have in their pants.
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posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Metallicus

Can you tell me why being a Trans person would stop them doing their job?.


Why does being 6 '6" or having flat feet keep a soldier from doing their job and why aren't you fighting with equal zeal for their right to serve?


The height requirement is not solid. If you ask around, you'll find tons of exceptions. It's only important for tank crews, etc (they aren't going to build bigger tanks for Tony Robbins if he enlists, for example). Flat feet is another gray area. There are two different kinds and not all cases will keep you out. In cases where it will bar you from enlisting, it is because the inflammation and pain it causes when under physical stress, things most people already know about themselves when they make the decision to enlist or not.

As far as the elephant in the room of getting a gender confirmation surgery while on active duty? That's worth addressing but that's not something you solve by an outright ban on every person with gender dysphoria. Vets get medical care. There is no reason why a soldier can't wait until after active duty before they get their bodies corrected. And if it's a cost issue... you realize the military spends more on Viagra than it does on gender dysphoria, right? If my taxes are paying for vets to get boners... I think it should also pay for important things that cost less.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 11:55 AM
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First off, Ultimately I do not care I will most likely be retired before I have to deal with it.


But an odd thought for me was what dress and appearance reg do they follow,Their biological gender or what they identify as?



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 11:57 AM
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y'all can argue about til you're blue in the face anyway, but the salient point is that the administration dropped their appeal. they're not trying to get around the ruling. they're not putting up opposition to it. it's done.




posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 01:02 PM
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The Gender Identity Concept came from a Pedophile and Human Experimentor


"Rates of suicide are twenty times greater among adults who use cross-sex hormones and undergo sex reassignment surgery, even in Sweden which is among the most LGBTQ - affirming countries. What compassionate and reasonable person would condemn young children to this fate knowing that after puberty as many as 88% of girls and 98% of boys will eventually accept reality and achieve a state of mental and physical health?"


Highly interesting article! Transgenders reminds me of Baphomet, he also had a penis and breasts. So, these terribly confused people want to fight for our country, which are they going to make first priority; themselves and all of their mental issues of thinking they are a whole different gender than God made them, making sure they take their hormones, and like the other person said, dilating their fake vaginas so they don't close over and such, OR fighting with, and laying their lives down for, their fellow comrades? There is that whole pesky thing of using tax dollars for gender reassignment surgery, as well. I don't approve one bit, I stand with the President on this one.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: fiverx313
y'all can argue about til you're blue in the face anyway, but the salient point is that the administration dropped their appeal. they're not trying to get around the ruling. they're not putting up opposition to it. it's done.



Yep, and now he can tell his base that he tried but those meddling SJWs just wouldn’t leave it alone.

But he tried dammit!



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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Bunch of trannies want free surgeries.

That's what this is actually about.

A tranny going in now will be undeployable for their entire enlistment.

Basically a useless addition. They aren't going "to the front lines". They are staying on Rear D and getting their treatment on the taxpayer dime without ever having to meet the standards.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
Bunch of trannies want free surgeries.

That's what this is actually about.

A tranny going in now will be undeployable for their entire enlistment.

Basically a useless addition. They aren't going "to the front lines". They are staying on Rear D and getting their treatment on the taxpayer dime without ever having to meet the standards.


Maybe instead of spouting sexual slurs, you could say "maybe the solution is that SRS has to wait until after active duty"?

Acting like a belligerent asshole isn't going to solve anything. It just makes me regret paying taxes that go to veterans' boner pills.




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