a reply to: Raggedyman
"Atheism is no friend of people and never has been, humanity is reduced to animals."
And theism has been? That considering, theism has been the leading cause of death .... not to mention that a call to theism has only exacerbated the
killing. Very Noahide, no?
But allow me to pose you these questions, as apparently you seem to be a believer in a Theos:
- Do you believe in Quetzalcoatl?
- Do you believe in Wotan?
- Do you believe in Amun Ra?
- Do you believe in Ahura Mazda?
- Do you believe in Marduk?
- Do you believe in the God of heaven?
- Do you believe in the Great Spirit in the sky?
- Do you believe in God?
When you consider all the attributes ascribed to these ...eh...constructs ... you will find they have much in common. Read again the book of Daniel.
Considering chapter 4, it is not written by Daniel himself but it contains a story that Nebuchadnezzar wrote. Was he a believer in the God of Daniel,
or was he a believer in Marduk. What are the attributes of Marduk which are equal to those Daniel ascribes to his God?
When we now tie this in with atheism (note the minisculas) those who do not believe in those notions are now all of a sudden considered people who
adhere to something that is considered anti human? Or as you wrote it: no friend of humanity? And you write of Joshua he is posing something with a
big foot in his mouth? Qui mal y pense, monsieur. Shall we now reject broad sweeping statements?
There is blood on the hands of men of almost all stripe. There is an individual choice for all of us, whether we ascribe to believing in a personal
God or not, whether it is of the color of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or whatever, the choice is: what will you do in any given situation that call
upon your values?
The Noahide "laws" are nothing more than descriptions of that which naturally people of all stripe will flock to. Not the word naturally.-
Then the next step: what produces suffering? I am not talking about pain, but suffering. Is it not exactly what St Paul once wrote: those who are in
the spirit will not fulfill fleshly desires? (paraphrase). So basically, even the NT does recognize the true source of suffering: desires. Where do
these come from? From the physical presence. As in other traditions the idea is that all suffering is caused by the mind. Or in a more psychological
sense: the ego.
Is it not interesting to note that religion generally does not produce spirituality but only a system in which the way has been degraded to a goal?
once you are able to see behind that piece of wool pulled over your eyes, you will find that spiritualists, as atheists in the narrow sense, espouse
an idea that has been there all along but hidden, obscured, skewed and mistranslated.