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originally posted by: Morg234
a reply to: EvidenceNibbler
Yes because the US actually pays more than other western country to "protect" against Global Warming, as one of the biggest polluters in the world and now trying to re-open coal power plants...
originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Greven
OK, thank you for taking the time to post this information.
There is some data there I have not seen, though overall it leaves me still with same questions and sense of unease that I usually have when reviewing data presented in support of man-made global warming being an issue. Note the words 'being an issue'. This is different from dismissing the data we do have.
Here is where I am:
I do believe the earth is warming over a short period of time (relatively speaking). The data shows this.
I do believe there is a relationship between CO2 and warming - though I don't think that relationship is linear.
Ergo, I believe that man has an effect on temperature, but I have seen no compelling evidence to tell me by how much (and this is the really key question when it comes to changing our behaviour and spending trillions of dollars)
I really don't see good arguments - yet - to explain the more limited data we have pre the 20th century - we're measuring a blip in time. Going back further we have less granular data, but the data we do have throws up a lot of questions relating to the pre-industrial and pre-human ages. This data shows we are in a relatively cool period despite man's activity. I'd like to see some data that measures all the other effects (e.g. volcanic activity) and ideally to see a trend that explains temperature variations in earlier times without human effects.
Finally, I am still looking into the forecasting models, which seem to be extremely poor. This gives me a lot of doubt that the scientists have a good handle on this. For years I built statistical models for a living and the ones being used for global warming forecasts would not have made it past a usability filter. That said, I want to see more of the assumptions and dependent variables being used.
All wrapped together - I see no settled science and see no compelling evidence to take the steps that are being pushed. I would like to see this entire subject removed from the political arena and I would like to see cost-neutral solutions. Most of all, absolutely no tax initiatives should be attached to this effort. Until the politicians get the hell away from this, there will always be a reluctance to go along with the journey. You see, with good reason, many people require absolute proof before trusting anything a politician (or some administrator for a scientific foundation or organisation) says despite the potential urgency. They have been caught lying, stealing, cheating and corrupting too many times. The potential for a scam is just too high.
originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler
a reply to: Greven
The weather outside is frightful.
Before you tell me that Willie Soon is a shill for the fossil fuel industry, recognize that you don't get to know what corps donated to the endowment fund that his research grants came from. Comment on his content only please, not his character, as it's beyond reproach anyways.
originally posted by: bluechevytree
I`ll believe in global warming when someone can explain to me how the ice age in north America happened and ended with NO human intervention.
Photons must be at the same wavelength that this vibration can occur; CO2 is structured with three atoms in a row, having the carbon atom in the middle. This structure allows several modes of vibration, which increases the wavelengths that may be absorbed.
originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: TerryMcGuire
i bet this one is not a real Trump Tweet, but rather one of his staff tweeting under his name. We know now that this happens all the time. The words are too clear, there are no punctuation errors , the sentences are constructed properly and there are no miss-spellings.
No, it's definitely a tweet by Trump himself because he used all caps on some of the words... it's one of his standard signature moves he likes to do on twitter to emphasize how very bigly serious he is.
... and maybe someone should inform him it's winter right now.
originally posted by: sdcigarpig
What we should find interesting is that Trump with one breath will proclaim that global warming and climate change is a hoax, and turn around and then apply for a sea wall to protect his golf courses, with the reason being to prevent the damage to such from rising sea level, along with the effects and damages from global warming.