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Will the #MeToo movement lead to unprecedented sexual discrimination?

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posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 02:52 AM
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a reply to: antiantonym

That's so American. There is a limitation and guys top it, and a bit further. The good and the bad that comes with it, you're always "out of boundries".




posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 03:01 AM
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originally posted by: antiantonym
This is another reason to give up on society. Powerful men are in an unwinnable situation. If they deal with women in private on the job, they risk their careers and possibly everything they have.


There's a simple solution to this.

All meetings must consist of 3 or more people.

The powerful guy, the junior woman, and a secretary taking the minutes of the meeting.

That's all you need.



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 03:51 AM
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a reply to: antiantonym

For one, the #metoo movement isn’t a movement, but a hashtag. Either way, sexual harassment is an appalling revelation that needs the criticism. Let’s hope further injustice, such as false accusations, do not enter the fray and discredit it.



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Don't be ridiculous.

I was a paralegal for years and saw many rape/sexual assault allegations come across the desks of my attorneys--the majority of which were eventually retracted (they were used to get back at ex-boyfriends, purposefully destroy careers, and many other reasons as simple as regret), and many that actually went to court lacked any beyond-a-reasonable-doubt evidence or ended up being proven to be lies. Without knowing the math for certain, my estimate would be that about 75%-80% of allegations were either false or improvable*. But in nearly every case of such an allegation, it ended up ruining or destroying one or more aspects of the life of the accused, to include careers and marriages.

I'm in absolutely no way trivializing true rape or sexual assault cases, but there is a very, VERY known reality of falsifying accusations with malicious intent, and it is absolutely justified for these guys to think approach the topic this way. Any whining about 'discrediting and demonizing the #MeToo movement' is just a way for you to 'discredit and demonize' appropriate decisions made by people on their own behalf.

I'm sure that you can't even fathom how this is a good thing for the women, too, can you?



* Not proving a rape or assault occurred is not the same as it not having occurred, and I understand that. The point is that, even if it cannot be proven or is a false accusation, it still has a dramatic negative effect on the life of the accused.



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Shhh...that's a logical solution, but some people would rather piss and moan about how these men doing this--which protects both themselves and the females--is somehow a bad thing.

#Hashtag



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey

That's not a logical solution. It's logistically impossible and cost-prohibitive in most cases.

Think of the example Metallicus gave us on the first page of this thread. A typical high school has a handful of secretaries and dozens of teachers. The teachers see each other at random times throughout each day.

If a male teacher refuses to speak with a female colleague to protect himself, then he is sexually discriminating against her. We're back to my original post in this thread again.

Men can choose between risking everything and committing sexual discrimination.

High schools are not the exception in that regard. They are the rule.
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posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: antiantonym

What shouldn't men talk to woman?

Job related mundane stuff



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 06:52 PM
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Here is what may simmer this down

One of these media companies who get sued and lose a lot of money for prematurely firing somebody without due process.

What should happen is these people should be suspended( or not suspended) with pay until an investigation or hearing is done.

When that is decided the person is either fired, suspended, or exonerated


That’s called due process



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

That's actually necessary for teachers. Have you forgotten what school is like?

I feel lucky that I'm no longer a very young man having to grow up in this world. If I had to live as a young man in the continental U.S., I'd probably choose Nevada. I think it's facinating that you don't hear about sexual discrimination or sexual harassment in Nevada (at least I haven't) when it's rampant there.

Sexual discrimination and/or sexual harassment are part of the business models in casinos, strip clubs, and brothels. I'm not saying anything harmful is alright or acceptable. I don't believe that at all. When it's just playful fun, I say, "No harm, no foul." I think no one complains because it's just expected. It's part of the culture.

I think Nevada should change their state slogan to...

"Nevada: We're old-fashioned and still somewhat sane."

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posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 05:21 PM
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Quite obviously something is awry....because we have not seen any compassion for the millions of men who are also victims.

When I see a He2 movement supporting boys and men I will take things seriously.....lets begin it here....someone put it out on social media....He2.....and lets help EVERYONE who has been victimised.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 09:10 PM
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Does the OP understand that a man can just as easily accuse him of sexual harassment?

Are there a small percentage of people who are very willing to make false accusation- yes absolutely. But it's wrong to assume the women are more likely than men.

You don't have to avoid hiring women. Most offices are open with plenty of witnesses. Being alone with one person in an office isn't usually necessary and it's probably good practice to avoid it. Clear office doors help prevent a lot too.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: Daughter2

Please show me an example of a man accusing another man of sexual harassment. I can't recall ever hearing of one.

For some reason, I think this video fits here.


ETA: I think I'm trying to point out how important context is when it comes to sexual harassment. I don't know how other men feel about it, but a man would have to go really far before I considered him to be sexually harassing me. That's probably because it's not in my nature to complain. Make no mistake, I'll tell that man to stop, and I'll complain if necessary. If a woman were to sexually harass me, I would probably take it as a compliment, and never think about it again.


www.youtube.com...

I hope you'll give me your opinion in this:

Think of the example Metallicus gave us on the first page of this thread. A typical high school has a handful of secretaries and dozens of teachers. The teachers see each other at random times throughout each day.

If a male teacher refuses to speak with a female colleague to protect himself, then he is sexually discriminating against her. We're back to my original post in this thread again.

Men can choose between risking everything and committing sexual discrimination.

High schools are not the exception in that regard. They are the rule.
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posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 03:18 AM
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originally posted by: antiantonym
a reply to: Daughter2

Please show me an example of a man accusing another man of sexual harassment. I can't recall ever hearing of one.



Geez.....google Kevin Spacey - it's been all over the news during the past month.

The fact you don't know/remember it shows you have VERY selective memory.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 04:18 AM
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It's mostly well-known movie/tv celebrities, and those involved in it, who are being targeted....obviously.

Everyone knows how Hollywood works, it's no secret.

Anyone who wants to be an actor has very little chance of becoming one. Very few become established actors.

That leads people into desperation. And they'll do almost anything to get a role. Even an audition.

And the men who decide have powerful positions, because of this.

They take advantage of these people, and this nasty business has gone on for decades.

If they are accused, they have a right to defend themselves. Proof is needed, or they must drop the charges.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 04:23 AM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
What a great and ingenious way to discredit and demonise the #MeToo movement, as well as turn people off the idea of supporting them in future...

Really, really clever!



Except it doesn't do any of that.

It's simply acknowledging a byproduct and result of the movement. Sexual assault is terrible. So are false accusations which ruin careers.

Don't sit here and pretend some women don't use this card for personal gain.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 04:33 AM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

The solution is much harsher legal penalties for false accusations.

If you truly were sexually assaulted and can prove it, the guy should get what he deserves. But a false accusation should also carry a prison sentence. Women would quickly stop using it as a tactic against men they don't like.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 04:41 AM
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a reply to: Daughter2

The following story summarizes the Spacey case.

www.thesun.co.uk...

It was easy for me to be confused about that because I heard about the 14-year-old male that Spacey harassed, but I didn't hear about the other accusers.

Remember what I wrote:

"Please show me an example of a man accusing another man of sexual harassment."

I would call a 14-year-old male a young adult but not a man, so of course I wouldn't have thought of that case as being an example of man-on-man sexual harassment.

I rarely watch TV by the way.
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posted on Jan, 2 2018 @ 08:19 AM
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Let's just say that I used to work in the litigation field, and I know how easy it is to ruin people's lives over accusations.

I'll take my experiences with people who have had this happen to them over your supposition that 'high schools are the rule' when it comes to how CEOs and high-value men choose not to put themselves in potentially litigious circumstances where it winds up being a he-said-she-said battle.

You want to play roulette if you're in one of those positions and you have millions, if not billions of dollars and a career at stake, feel free, but don't claim that those who take a different approach are acting illogically.

IMO, the easiest thing to do would just be to record the encounter on video as an SOP--that's relatively cheap.




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