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For Americians (mostly) - Liberty is Not Freedom

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posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 04:47 AM
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Liberty is Not Freedom

None of the following are my words, they come from the video entitled "Admiralty Law" which I watched a while back and I recommend others do likewise.

Hopefully the reader will give due consideration to the merits or otherwise, of the points that are made here rather than get angry at me, a non American.

Under admiralty law liberty is not freedom.

Liberty is given by a ruler to a subject of the state.

A sailor gets liberty when the captain chooses to give it to him therefore he is not free.

The statue of liberty is a female and under aldmiralty law; all females are ships which are commanded by a captain therefore the people of the US do not have freedom they only have liberties.

A dog a has liberty when we take it for a walk on a lead. At no time is the dog free to go where and when it wishes to go.

A prisoner gets liberty for good behaviour when he is allowed out of the cell and into the court yard under guard by snipers, or when they are let out of the prison when released on a good behaviour bond or on bail.

Liberty is a licence. We are given liberty when we are granted a license. A licence is only a permit for us to do something that is otherwise illegal.
When we obtain a license we are not free because we submit to the jurisdiction of the licence giver by agreeing to the terms and conditions of the licence, which are determined by the licence giver.

Because, as it seems to me, Americans use the word liberty more than people from other countries, I hope they consider the points made and not get angry at the messenger and consider using only the word freedom when they are talking about un restricted freedom to what every they want that does not harm another.

I just think this important for people to know and understand because as far as I know, and I could be wrong, the word liberty is contained within the Americian Constitution when perhaps, after reading the foregoing, Americiams might now beleive the word freedom should be used intead.

I hope Americans will in the future restrict the use the word liberty to situations when they are talking about limited degrees of freedom.

thanks




posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 04:59 AM
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We are truly not free as we are taught to the usage of being a free man. The elements of nature is the mother that gives us "temporary" Liberty of ones space in life.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 07:14 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue

Placing all things under "Admiralty Law" however, is improper, since that system is only used to properly describe the comings, goings, and liberty provided to a sailor.

It says nothing of the comings and goings of the regular citizen, who by having of liberty and freedom both, can only be constrained by law which they consent to, by way of being part of the voting public which decides who shall govern, who shall make law, and who shall enforce it and how.

That is supposed to be the way it works.

At present, in most, if not all of the developed world however, this is NOT how it works, but it is uniformly taught to children that it is, children who grow up believing they are free, while the government works always to prevent them smoking what they wish to smoke, drinking what they wish to drink, eating whatever it is their hearts desire, living however they would like to live, whether that includes attachment to a power grid or running water system, or not.

The list of things that a person may not do in developed nations, despite the propaganda which suggests that people in the west and other developed locations have liberty and freedom in massive measure, suggests that the liberty and freedom one is alleged to possess, is nothing more than a carrot at the end of a very long stick, crafted long to make the run toward it all the more productive for those who run the scam.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit


"Admiralty Law" are code words for the "Freeman on the Land" and "Reclaim Your ALL CAPS Strawman Birth Certificate" scam.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 07:42 AM
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I'm about as American as one can get. To me, Liberty & Freedom are one in the same........There is no Liberty without freedom. The last part of Truebrits signature say's it best. The price of liberty is risking death to keep it. Those unprepared to pay it should not receive it. I would lay my life down for the liberties & freedoms I have......I'm sure Truebrit would do just the same. If your unwilling to do that then your liberties & freedoms are mere words on paper.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Wow... as if we really needed more code from that particular sector of selfish, entitled little prigs. What that quarter have failed to understand, is that unless all have not only the notional, but the factual access to liberty and freedom which is assumed by the Freemen, then NONE have that liberty and freedom.

Five or six people out of a thousand, do not a meaningful majority make, leave alone have the capacity between them to be described collectively as "all people".



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit


When, and if, the Original Poster replies we can ask about fringed flags in a court room. Dead give away.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue


I hope Americans will in the future restrict the use the word liberty to situations when they are talking about limited degrees of freedom.


With all due respect... why the hell would I want to do that??? There are lots of folks who want to re-define and/or dictate our freedom, all of which is the exact opposite of freedom, and they can all rot in hell.

Having said that, I'm with Augustus -- this has "Sovereign Citizen" written all over it. I didn't buy into it back in 08, and I'm not buying into it now. In fact and in deed, as soon as I accept their philosophy, I give power and authority to those who would use admiralty law to dictate our freedom (or, more specifically, lack thereof). Just as you are in effect doing with this thread, telling us what "freedom" really is...

Some might think this thread in and of itself is nothing more than an attempt to further the admiralty law agenda to re-engineer human society to a world of their own design... eh?



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue

I have to say that in current speech the words are used interchangeably. you seem to advocate a clear distinction.

The word liberty is not an English word. It is a loan word.
late 14c., "free choice, freedom to do as one chooses," also "freedom from the bondage of sin," from Old French liberte "freedom, liberty, free will" (14c., Modern French liberté), from Latin libertatem (nominative libertas) "civil or political freedom, condition of a free man; absence of restraint; permission," from liber "free" (see liberal (adj.)). At first of persons; of communities, "state of being free from arbitrary, despotic, or autocratic rule or control" is from late 15c.

The French notion of liberty is political equality; the English notion is personal independence. [William R. Greg, "France in January 1852" in "Miscellaneous Essays"]

Nautical sense of "leave of absence" is from 1758. Meaning "unrestrained action, conduct, or expression" (1550s) led to take liberties "go beyond the bounds of propriety" (1620s). Sense of "privileges by grant" (14c.) led to sense of "a person's private land" (mid-15c.), within which certain special privileges may be exercised, which yielded in 18c. in both England and America a sense of "a district within a county but having its own justice of the peace," and also "a district adjacent to a city and in some degree under its municipal jurisdiction" (as in Northern Liberties of Philadelphia). Also compare Old French libertés "local rights, laws, taxes." (bold mine)

As you can see from comparing the idea behind the word through time and place, it is, though connected, sometimes looking at different aspects of the state of being free.

The word is also open to new import, meaning that currently the freedom from thirst, hunger, homelessness, basically, what is considered conducive to human dignity, are also elements which should fall under freedom. The thought is: what good is to be independent, why you die of hunger? So, the term and original meaning gets changed to incorporate "liberal" ideals, which basically are nothing more than socialist objects.

Freedom, the state of being free, and liberty have no different meaning in root and usage. Even in view of the claimed application of admiralty law in the US, instead of the law of the land, I see no reason to shy away from these words in one direction or another.

Freedom is a typical English word. Liberty a Latin, through French transliteration.
But if it rocks your boat and you feel better for it, please by any means, pursue your happiness.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: Azureblue

I take it that you don't live in the U.S. Well, let me explain something to you. America doesn't really have "freedom," not to the degree most people would define it. Almost everything one does here DOES INDEED require a LICENSE. So, I would say the word liberty is used rather aptly in regards to the U.S







 
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