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Self May Be The Most Important Thing We Have.

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posted on Jan, 4 2018 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

Yes, the simulation hypothesis is compelling, but I do think that is backwards in some fashion, right in a way.

There might not be an original "program" to follow, no plan and that would suggest, as you say zerPointOneQ;


" . . . . but it might as well be there is just nothing. No purpose, just what we imagine it to be."



What you said there is cool.

That life began, in the most fundamental state, without a plan; is an interesting concept.

So, what if we do this just for philosophical fun:

Designate the self within the boundary as Zero.

Designate what is not within the boundary as One.

That gives us a fundamental starting point for using binary as a basic language.

Maybe you figured that out?


afterthought

I wonder . . . . .

Following on the binary concept of zero/one as self/not self, has anyone thought of the DNA sequence in terms of a programming language and disassembling it into binary?

Maybe that is how one would begin to make a sentient AI, rather then complicated algorithms that mimic sentience. Such an AI might live as a worm within the electronic aether.
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posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 02:23 AM
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a reply to: Whatsthisthen

I don't think I have figured anything out to be honest. I just look around and read what others have to say and try to have some fun with those concepts while trying to stay grounded (perhaps this is the hardest part :p). I'm relativaly new compared to some others on here, but maybe some things I say may give a fresh insight.



posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 03:48 AM
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a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

Nio worries.

You got me making a connection between self/not self and the binary zero/one off/on.

Not sure what I can do with it.

I'll put that on the shelf for another time.

Hope you stick around ATS




posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 04:10 AM
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originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
You got me making a connection between self/not self and the binary zero/one off/on.




posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 04:27 AM
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a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Maybe you should check out the basics of quantum computing (if you haven't allready) where the state is not 1 or 0 but 1 AND 0. Its applications share a lot with what you call 'potential outcomes'.

Probably fits better in one of your other topics.

Edit:
It also appears quantum processes appear all around us in nature like for instance photosynthesis. Food for thought!
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posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 04:44 AM
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a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

Reality is not two.
Non duality means not two.

The title of this thread is 'Self may be the most important thing we have' - but this statement implies two - like self is a thing that you have.
Do you have a self or are you the self?



posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 05:30 AM
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Maybe you should check out the basics of quantum computing (if you haven't allready) where the state is not 1 or 0 but 1 AND 0. Its applications share a lot with what you call 'potential outcomes'.


Thanks for the suggestion, I'll have a look.



The patterns in nature . . .

They are interesting and perhaps could be termed "higher order" then absolute fundamentals perhaps. Complexity.

I see what you mean by potential outcomes. Nice.



posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 07:24 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

I listened to the video and found it very difficult.

Where is "duality"?



posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 07:47 AM
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a reply to: Whatsthisthen
Duality isn't - it is an illusion that there is two.
Duality is two.
One of the two is what is appearing right now and the other is what is seeing the appearance right now. The assumption is that you are seeing what is appearing - this is the two.
Really though - there is not a thing seeing - there is simply seeing - no one is seeing.
Seeing/appearance is one.

Everything isn't something other than nothing.

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posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 08:17 AM
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You may believe that you are a person separate to your experience - but really there is just experience - just what is happening. There is no separate thinker - there is just thought arising. Thought might speak about someone but there isn't anyone.
Thought is just an appearance.



posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

I sorta got that from the video.

So the concept is that there is only "one".

I think I know what you mean and have seen that working within the egregors where the "spiritual Laws" deem it so.

Yet I don't see it as outside the egregors of philosophies (broadly speaking and inclusive of religions as philosophies)



posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Have a look for yourself!
Right now there is seeing happening isn't there? And within that seeing these words are appearing.

Words arise as thought - can you know what thought will arise next prior to it's arising?

Thought and words speak about you as the thinker of thought - but is there really 'someone' in there 'doing' thought - or do thoughts say 'I' and 'me' and then there is a belief in 'someone' separate?



posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 08:29 AM
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I am going with time.



posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

I understand what your referring to here Itisnowagain.

But really, I wrote this thread as a counter viewpoint to the "ego is a dirty word" collective type of thinking. (Ego in the sense of it's meaning: "I".)

That is not to say I am playing the devil's advocate. Quite the opposite.

In practice I find collective consciousness a thing of certain schools of thought.

I also think that it is very important to build a strong sense of self and the boundary between "me " and "you".

A weak self is easily overwhelmed.





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posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 09:58 AM
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There actually is such a thing as active thinking and passive thoughts arising.
Sure I can't exactly think what I will think next because the thinking is already occcupied with the arising of the thought. But I can feel it.
Language is dominant in our experience. But we can do a quiet thinking, thinking without words, feeling it instead of describing it. Then you are never in the now because everything goes fluid without any points you could call now.
And then you feel the next thought building.
You know it without putting it in words.
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posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

Thoughts happen - there isn't anyone thinking, actively or passively.
What is appearing to happen is just appearing to happen.
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posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

No. Watch closer. I can actively give my thoughts a certain direction. I can just watch them wander around. There is a part of me observing. There is a lot non verbal thinking leading to eachother too.



posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Itisnowagain

No. Watch closer. I can actively give my thoughts a certain direction.

That 'I' that appears to be giving direction is just part of what is appearing - all of it is appearance.
There is no you doing anything - there is just observing/appearance - which is one (not two).


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posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

Are you really trying to tell me that I can't actively think about something?

It's a thing you know, it's called focus.
Comes with "attention". They're real.
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posted on Jan, 5 2018 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Are you really trying to tell me that I can't actively think about something?

There is no you separate from what is happening - no you that can do anything - you are merely the witness.



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