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Why does the left believe that Fascism is on the right?

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posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

The democrats of old were conservatives, hitler got his ideas from the American "right", try again.
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posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: doclec

The democrats of old were conservatives, hitler got his ideas from the American "right", try again.


A common misconception and deflection tactic.




posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 06:22 PM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
The majority are in support of totalitarianism, just on their own terms.


A very astute observation, and one of the things that spurred me into rethinking how I saw the "left" and "right" defined.

For me, it becomes less important to consider what someone wants to achieve, and more about how they want to achieve it. The more you seek to use the power of the state to control and coerce others into meeting whatever objective you have, the further to the left you move.

For the avoidance of doubt, this is "the left" in my own paradigm, not necessarily "the left" in modern political thinking.



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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LOL Hitler got his ideas from Andrew Jackson and trail of tears, not to mention Democrat elitist Rockefeller funded eugenics in CA including eugenics research at ivy league schools such as Harvard, Berkeley, and Yale. They push Eugenics into law in a number states. This is well documented and simple google would suffice. You can research Eugenic laws in the United States. The progressive movement came out of eugenics and Margeret Sanger the founder of progressivism got awards from Hitler. Even my leftist professor knew this. In fact, I was surprised that he spent a whole couple weeks on this topic.
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posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

True dat....liberal logic... hahahahahah



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

Nationalism is the belief of nation state or

na·tion·al·ism
ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/Submit
noun
patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts.
advocacy of political independence for a particular country.

What is the opposite of patriotic? I guess it would be anti patriotic? or perhaps anti independence? I mean sure if you want to be a slave and be dependent.
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posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

In other words a group, a nation, a collective.

So, no, being part of a nation is not independence. The opposite of patriotic is individualist.



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

Collectivism has nothing to do with nation state. It's an ideology.

collectivism
1 : a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also : a system marked by such control
2 : emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
2 : emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity

A nation is a collective action and identity rather than individual action or identity.

You have a bunch of people talking against people living in the US not wanting to assimilate and take on this "american identity", what else could they be talking about?

ETA: And the ones complaining are patriotic, go figure.
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posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Incorrect, democrats of old wanted to conserve the old southern way of life , the republicans of old were the progressives. Dont get confused by party labels, ideaologies change frequently.



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

Jackson was conservative. Sanger may be held as progressive by some, but her behavior betrays the label.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 05:12 AM
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a reply to: amfirst1

You do realize, fascimen is not left or right but a totalitarian state. When the right want to use violence, call everything that they don't like "fake news" while wanting to deport human beings, well they are being fascist in nature.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: doclec
a reply to: xuenchen

Incorrect, democrats of old wanted to conserve the old southern way of life , the republicans of old were the progressives. Dont get confused by party labels, ideaologies change frequently.


There were always more Democrats in the "North".

(RINOs don't count other than for historical values and general purposes)



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 06:42 AM
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originally posted by: doclec
a reply to: amfirst1

Jackson was conservative. Sanger may be held as progressive by some, but her behavior betrays the label.


Jackson was a totalitarian.

Just ask the Native Americans.




posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 07:19 AM
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I disagree that the opposite of patriotic is individualist. I think you are confusing terms. The opposite of patriotic is Unpatriotic, an absence of patriotism.

And I will use Twain's definition there--patriotism means supporting your country all of the time, but its government ONLY when it deserves it.

The individual is the opposite of the collective. The individual is the link, the collective is the chain, a collection of links.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

I'd bet many of the the readers don't know what the left is.

As a scholar of politics you should be aware of Machiavelli who stated "a prudent leader cannot and must not honor his word" and we've seen that occur many times from both the left and right and that is why some folk refer to certain political maneuvers as Machiavellian.




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posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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True Republicans were the first progressives when they freed the slaves, outlaw democrats Jim Crow laws, passed the Civil Rights Act of 1875 and helped passed the civil rights act 1965 and women's right to vote, etc.

Then Democrats took over the Progressive label pushing eugenics and women's right to choose to kill their own child in the 1920s, and adopted some socialism like the new deal which FDR took from Hitler's economics.

Republicans didn't have to push progressivism like the pass because people have all the freedom they needed to live a happy life. It wasn't so in the past when the Democrats operated the KKK.

Eventually, there was nothing to fight for so Democrats started to push progressive extremism, a tyranny of the minority over the majority because they can't get the votes. They put in place activists judges to make up their own laws. To push weird sh17 like the transgender restroom, etc and concocted the myth that women got paid less than men due to innate bias, when it was a hoax because men tend to go into more higher paid fields like engineering and dirty jobs that no one wanted to do, instead of retail or office paper work like women, etc.
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posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: Salander
I disagree that the opposite of patriotic is individualist. I think you are confusing terms. The opposite of patriotic is Unpatriotic, an absence of patriotism.

And I will use Twain's definition there--patriotism means supporting your country all of the time, but its government ONLY when it deserves it.

The individual is the opposite of the collective. The individual is the link, the collective is the chain, a collection of links.

I was pointing out the similarity in the terms. If you are unpatriotic then you put yourself above the country (individualist). If you are not willing to sacrifice for your country you are unpatriotic. In action, they are the same thing.

And you say that same thing in your last line, the country is a chain, it is a collective.
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posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
I learned in Political Science and History that Fascism is a phenomenon of the left.


You fell at the first fence.

You may have read it on an op ed website but you didn't learn it anywhere near an academic environment.



posted on Dec, 31 2017 @ 01:13 AM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Colonialism and Imperialism have always been a Democrat concept and happen on Democrats presidential watch. Most wars are started by Dems, only Afghan and Iraq was started by Bush. So you have that in reverse. Globalism is the modern Colonialism by using Bankers to enslave the world through debt. It was think tank during the early 1900s during Democrat FDR tenure when the colonialist realized that they needed a more stealth means to take over the world, so the Democrats created the CFR, which created the NSA, CIA, and UN. They then recruited the bankers to merge with their agenda to financially enslave and control other countries because colonialism was not working. Today this conglomerate is known as the Shadow government or deep state or military industrial complex, a system of bankers, financial elites, and military intelligence emerging as one. This is a leftwing concept that was think tank by all leftwing elite Rockerfeller who pave way for the CIA, CFR, NSA and UN a leftwing funded idea to the creation of the Central Banks. Sure they have compromise some on the right, but it's origin and roots came from the American left.

This is essentially the fourth branch of government which in my point of view is the most powerful because they are not accountable and are involved in selecting presidents, up until Trump accidentally won, and they went batsh17 crazy by trying to undermind and infiltrate his cabinet with their members, Mcmaster happen to stand out as one of them.


This is historical revisionism. The CIA has almost always been considered a right wing institution. The CIA and FBI tried to undermine, infiltrate, and destroy all left wing and anti-war movements during the 60's and 70's, most of which were factually liberal not conservative. The conservatives on average during all of these periods were far more supportive of wars, US imperialism, etc. Since the 60's it is the hippies, leftists, and progressives who were criticizing US empire and CIA atrocities, NOT conservatives for the most part. This is demonstrable historically I believe.

Also, Trump is part of the establishment and he and his family always have been. Don't fool yourself.

Also, again, you are falling into the logical fallacy of defining global right versus left wing by myopic modernistic American conceptions. Imperialism and colonialism are traditionally right wing, and have classically been fought against or criticized by the left.

Yes, there is a leftist globalist faction which is about transcending national boundaries. But there also is the dominant military industrial complex or deep state which is for hegemonic global dominance via military power. That is right wing.



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