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Your first point is true. However, globally according to the larger political spectrum Republicans are actually considered fully right wing and democrats center or center right. The Democrats would be a Conservative party in Europe. They aren't "leftists" to actual leftists. Excepting some individuals and a few fringe parties such as green or communist, the left doesn't exist in the US in any strength. We live in a right wing society.
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Why do people on the right try to change the meaning of words, fascism is a far right doctrine, and communist are far left, op go back to school.
Exactly, literally the ONLY people I've ever heard make this claim are US right wingers circle jerking in online chat rooms and redefining terms. Political scientists globally generally consider the fascists to be right wingers.
Across Latin America for example a number of right wing fascistic dictators arose, in direct opposition to leftists, socialists, and communists. They were supported by American RIGHT WINGERS in that fight.
In the Spanish revolution it was a civil war between right wing fascist-leaning, conservative supported dictator Franco versus actual left revolutionaries.
Right wingers on ATS, stop redefining terms and history. It makes you look silly and uninformed.
Op, go back to the books.
I think the issue is a majority of americans have no clue about the spectrum of political ideas, the gop is right wing but closer to center just like the democrats are left wing but close to middle.
Have a nice day
There is some truth that sjws can begin to sound like Stormfront, flipped around, yes. But, the nature of the discourse and beliefs isn't quite identical.
originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist
Different board, same game. Hitler was definitely his country's version of SJW. Instead of white folks, Christians, capitalist and climate change deniers, he SJWed jews, blacks, communists and gays.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: underwerks
Can you watch Hitler's speech and say he is right wing with a straight face?? I mean he sounds like a SJW and calls himself a socialist. lol
Oh please. SJW? So you mean he is railing about black lives matter, or white privilege?
Do you even know what SJW means?
I'll concede that. It never is identical, but that's why it's the same game, different board. Classic Monopoly, Star Wars Monopoly, Anti-Monopoly... The themes, terminiology, and for all intents and purposes the discourse is different, but it's all the same game when you look past all that. Maybe the discourse and beliefs are different, but there are more similarities in principle than differences. Hitler was certainly not American right wing by any legitimate standards. It truly is most similar to the left and their SJWs.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
There is some truth that sjws can begin to sound like Stormfront, flipped around, yes. But, the nature of the discourse and beliefs isn't quite identical.
originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist
Different board, same game. Hitler was definitely his country's version of SJW. Instead of white folks, Christians, capitalist and climate change deniers, he SJWed jews, blacks, communists and gays.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: underwerks
Can you watch Hitler's speech and say he is right wing with a straight face?? I mean he sounds like a SJW and calls himself a socialist. lol
Oh please. SJW? So you mean he is railing about black lives matter, or white privilege?
Do you even know what SJW means?
Lol! No, it doesn't work that way. That completely misses the point. Exactly what "legacy" Obama's left is up for debate, but the other three issues are valid political issues. The only one that could be compared is draining the swamp unless it is a bipartisan crackdown on corruption in goverment.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: filthyphilanthropist
So you can take any group or leader and what they "stand against" and call it SJWing?
Trump is like Hitler but instead of jews, blacks, communists and gays he is SJWing travelers from the ME, border hoppers, swamp creatures and Obama's legacy. Hey it works!
I guess the political spectrum really is a horseshoe.
originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist
Lol! No, it doesn't work that way. That completely misses the point. Exactly what "legacy" Obama's left is up for debate, but the other three issues are valid political issues. The only one that could be compared is draining the swamp unless it is a bipartisan crackdown on corruption in goverment.
It is not the same kind of comparison I gavr earlier.
This, the founding fathers were mostly humanists and enlightenment thinkers, which were the liberals and progressives of their time. The conservatives back then were royalists.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: amfirst1
Actually the conservatives during the revolutionary war in the colonies were the loyalists. They also stood by the king and it was around the same time.
Also, not all the founding fathers of the US were about freedom and being left alone. There were federalists backed by bankers and businessmen who sought good relations with GB, a national bank, and opposed the guys standing on the left at that french assembly.
You can't really claim that the left/right spectrum was different in Europe than the US.
This is a deeper discussion that while I'm into it, I'm traveling out of state so can't engage fully right now unfortunately. To your last point though, people need to stop using modern American conservatism as the definition of global right wing. It's not. Just as, neither are democrats the definition of global leftism. On a global and political science scale, often the democrats are considered center or center right wing, mostly due to deregulation, wall st friendly policies, and like the republicans supporting neo imperialism and colonialism. There are right wing tendencies in fascism from corporatism/pro capitalism to hyper nationalism and ethno-centrism.
originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist
I'll concede that. It never is identical, but that's why it's the same game, different board. Classic Monopoly, Star Wars Monopoly, Anti-Monopoly... The themes, terminiology, and for all intents and purposes the discourse is different, but it's all the same game when you look past all that. Maybe the discourse and beliefs are different, but there are more similarities in principle than differences. Hitler was certainly not American right wing by any legitimate standards. It truly is most similar to the left and their SJWs.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
There is some truth that sjws can begin to sound like Stormfront, flipped around, yes. But, the nature of the discourse and beliefs isn't quite identical.
originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist
Different board, same game. Hitler was definitely his country's version of SJW. Instead of white folks, Christians, capitalist and climate change deniers, he SJWed jews, blacks, communists and gays.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: underwerks
Can you watch Hitler's speech and say he is right wing with a straight face?? I mean he sounds like a SJW and calls himself a socialist. lol
Oh please. SJW? So you mean he is railing about black lives matter, or white privilege?
Do you even know what SJW means?
originally posted by: amfirst1
The United States was founded on freedom from the Monarchy, so that would be the United States starting point and therefore, the conservative origin. The American Revolution ideas are essentially what conservatives in America idolize.
Do you really believe conservatives in America want a Monarchy??