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Why does the left believe that Fascism is on the right?

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posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

I think the left likes globalism that is why they hate Trump because he f*** it all up with supporting Brexit and killing the TPP and Paris Agreement.




posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969

because none of it matters. All that matters is how it behaves, relatively, within this system.

It is inefficient to take into consideration facts that are irrelevant, so most people don't bother trying to read the entire spectrum of belief.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

because none of it matters. All that matters is how it behaves, relatively, within this system.

It is inefficient to take into consideration facts that are irrelevant, so most people don't bother trying to read the entire spectrum of belief.


I could not have said it in better words, i try to follow politics from around the world, and in europe thats where you see a lot more extremist political groups.

i should have its similar in canada most people have no clue what or who there voting for.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: amfirst1

Why does the left believe that Fascism is on the right?

Ah donno?? Maybe because it is??..commies are generally leftist in the extreme.
I don't know about all that. Antifa is ironically fascist jn nature. The Nazis would have been fiercely contested by even modern American conservatives. I think people forget or simply don't know what exactly is fascism. They all create their own ideas of what they think it means and apply it to others. Parts of the right wing are fascist in nature like parts of the left are not, but in the same way most of the right wing are not in the slightest fascist.


We understand the definition of fascism, antifa can be violent and have nothing to do with fascism, there anarchist and pro left wing, pretty simple if you ask me.
They clearly are a political movement that wants a heavily centralized government to regulate and create their brand of "equality" abd to eleminate the individual from his ability to transgress against their ideas. They arguabley exalt nation above said ideology (theit brand of America/Europe), and they exalt certain minorities as well. While I don't know for a fact, I bet they would rally behind a dictorial leader who would realize their goals. It is clear they want "severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."

That's fascism.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: underwerks


Can you watch Hitler's speech and say he is right wing with a straight face?? I mean he sounds like a SJW and calls himself a socialist. lol



Oh please. SJW? So you mean he is railing about black lives matter, or white privilege?

Do you even know what SJW means?
Different board, same game. Hitler was definitely his country's version of SJW. Instead of white folks, Christians, capitalist and climate change deniers, he SJWed jews, blacks, communists and gays.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: filthyphilanthropist

So you can take any group or leader and what they "stand against" and call it SJWing?

Trump is like Hitler but instead of jews, blacks, communists and gays he is SJWing travelers from the ME, border hoppers, swamp creatures and Obama's legacy. Hey it works!

I guess the political spectrum really is a horseshoe.
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posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
I learned in Political Science and History that Fascism is a phenomenon of the left. Their roots and ideas all came from leftists. But for some weird reason the leftists and their institutions have convinced people that Fasicism is right wing.


Maybe because what you learned is wrong.


Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: CryHavoc

That's because leftists changed the definition in the recent years to smear the right. Originally, they were on the left. U can check any dictionary prior to 2000. Anything that centers around "centralization" or collectivism is a leftists plank. The right believes in decentralization and the individual which would make it completely on the opposite spectrum.


ahdictionary.com...

fas·cism (făshĭz′əm)
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n.
1. often Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
[Italian fascismo, from fascio, group, from Late Latin fascium, from Latin fascis, bundle.]
Word History: It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, "bundle, (political) group," but also refers to the movement's emblem, the fasces, a bundle of rods bound around a projecting axe-head that was carried before an ancient Roman magistrate by an attendant as a symbol of authority and power. The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism.

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posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: CryHavoc

That's because leftists changed the definition in the recent few years to smear the right. Originally, they were on the left. U can check any dictionary prior to 2000.


The thing is, WWII pitted the far left communists against the far right nazis (fascists).

Im 45, and was alive prior to 2000. Admittedly any dictionary I may have from that timeframe is packed away, so I can't verify. But I do know that the narrative has always been that WWII on the eastern front was a clash of commies and fascists.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Fascist also clashed with Democratic countries and all other systems. Keep in mind Germany has always been socialistic, so they never had a right-wing type government. It was communists international socialists vs. fascism national socialists. It's like rival gangs one believes in internationalism the other nationalism, both are socialism, but different ideas of implementation of socialism. International socialist fought for socialism world wide. National socialist only cared about socialism for their own country. That was the primary difference.

Hitler took the communist idea of international socialism and said why the f*** are we fighting for fair wages and socialism for these countries that had no loyalty to us. He came up with National Socialism which made a whole lot of more sense. Socialism for their own countrymen.

I guess you can compare it to pro NAFTA TPP leftist vs. anti NAFTA TPP leftist. Democrats vs Green party. Then with a twist he took the idea of genocide from the American left who wiped out the Indians and eugenics movements of the 1900s which was practiced in CA and leftist college.
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posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

If im being honest, when I rail against nationalism, its the national socialism that Im railing against.

Nice contribution...thanks for sharing.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 05:45 PM
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BIG LIAR How Theodor Adorno redefined Fascism


Fascism and Nazism are both phenomena of the left. This makes ideological sense, because at their core they represent ideologies of the centralized, all-powerful state. Moreover, fascism grew out of Marxism, and fascism’s founder Benito Mussolini, was a Marxist and lifelong socialist. Hitler, too, was a socialist who headed the National Socialist Party and in fact changed the name of the German Workers Party to make it the National Socialist German Workers Party.

How, then, did progressives in America re-define fascism and Nazism as phenomena of the right? This sleight-of-hand occurred after World War II, once fascism and Nazism were discredited with the reputation of Holocaust. Then progressives recognized it was important to cover up the leftist roots of fascism and Nazism and to move them from the left-wing column into the right-wing column.

The man most responsible for the progressive redefinition of fascism is Theodor Adorno, a German Marxist intellectual and a member of the influential Institute for Social Research, otherwise known as the Frankfurt School. The Frankfurt School scholars were leftists and most of them were refugees from Nazi Germany. Some settled in Europe; others like Adorno and Herbert Marcuse came to the United States.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

This exactly.... Hey most globalists are on the left and they own academics and the big globalist corps, so they like to smear the right because they tend to be anti-globalists. Sure their are globalists on the right too, but the right hate anything to do with world government. So they call them fascists because they care about national sovereignty.
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posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 06:13 PM
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That's because leftists changed the definition in the recent years to smear the right. Originally, they were on the left. U can check any dictionary prior to 2000.


I have several.

The Britannica Encyclopedia from 1907, and the Dictionary from 1914 rightly do not list fascism, since it was coined from Mussolini, after WWI, and who was right-wing (a reaction to Italian Socialist movement). The Dictionaries I have from 1955, 1968, and 1977 do not state it's a left wing ideal, but a centralized system of government (totalitarianism) characterized by control over industry, oppression, racism, and belligerent Nationalism, and government control of the news.

Fascism and communism are opposite, theoretically.

See also actual quotations from Mussolini himself, who railed against liberalism and democracy.


Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
—Mussolini


Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.
—M

Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy. You in America will see that some day.

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posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 06:16 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1


Hitler took the communist idea of international socialism and said why the f*** are we fighting for fair wages and socialism for these countries that had no loyalty to us. He came up with National Socialism which made a whole lot of more sense. Socialism for their own countrymen.


Hitler told the people exactly what they wanted to hear in order to gain absolute power.

There was no socialism. There was fascism.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

reality in motion




posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

You know that chart is BS when "Conservative Limited Governmentalists" are rated higher then either Leftist or Rightist Libertarians and you just have to love how they formed two types of anarchy so they could place them like bookends.

Being totalitarian is like being an a-hole you can call yourself conservative or liberal and still be an a-hole either way.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:09 PM
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Nice revisionism there.

For the sake of accuracy:




posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I like that chart.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 09:09 PM
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This chart actually makes more sense to me. I always believed linear charts can only have one distinct trait not ten or twenty. The x axis can only have one measurement. The x and y chart can have two units of measurement. In this case, it based on the government size. The larger the government the less freedom, the smaller the government the more freedom until u reach anarchy.


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This video also explains the various government types really well, it's clear and concise. www.youtube.com...
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