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Why does the left believe that Fascism is on the right?

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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
"May I point out that modern usage has shifted from "FAR right", to "not left", which is also a change of meaning."
So the left in the 21st century is communist and fascist at the same time?

I don't see how that follows from what I said.
Perhaps my comment was too succint, so I will expand it.
"You have complained that the right want to change the meaning of words.
My comment is that the left themselves are responsible for changing the meaning of the word "fascist".
It was originally applied to the FAR right, as you correctly oberved.
The current left now apply the word to anyone at all who is not on the left, which is broadening out the definition and thus changing it.
At the same time, they are taking the sense of moral opprobium which belonged to the old ["FAR right"] definition, and trying to pin it on the new ["Not left"] definition. That is where they are being dishonest.
A man should be ashamed, perhaps, of being a Fascist in the old "FAR right" sense.
There is no reason at all why anyone should be ashamed of being a "fascist" in the new "not left" sense."

I hope that is clearer.

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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: amfirst1

What qualities the " right" have, the extreme right??? Not the same imo as just being right wing or a conservative, In any case govt and industry are one and the same with out collectivism. Which would be communism.


Collectivism does not have shareholders and private ownership by small few.

You explained it better..



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

“Basically, the American govt has become the most murderous on earth since Hitler's Germany. “

At least we’re getting something for the trillions spent.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1
Because their professors told them so...



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:55 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Revolution9

Well considering the word fascism is a rather new term in the world of politics it's used by left ideaologists and liberals to point out what they don't stand for.
Fascism is just basically modern day feudalism, instead of a king and his inbred family it's a bunch of power hungry dudes all scheming to make their direct interests thrive and control everything from population to entertainment. I guess north Korea could be a fascist state really.


Yes, they were Communist, but now are this:

en.wikipedia.org...


The Western world generally views North Korea as a totalitarian dictatorship; the government has formally replaced all references to Marxism–Leninism in its constitution with the locally developed concept of Juche, or self-reliance. In recent years, there has been great emphasis on the Songun or "military-first" philosophy. All references to communism were removed from the North Korean constitution in 2009.[10]


Right (or should I say lefy, lol), I am shutting up now. That is my limit and quota of politically expressed opinion for today by order of article 93759/r22/Clause B:

No citizen shall engage in any more than 500 words of political BS each day as a measure to stop the exploding brain syndrome. I am already over my quota and can feel severe head swell coming on.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015




Just like the corporately own prisons we have now in this country with prison labor. What do you think the unintended consequences would be for having prison labor and for-profit prisons in this country?


What a load of horse snip.

Maybe if the fascist left didn't write so many LAWS, and other nuggets like 3 strikes and your out.

Profit is fascist.

Then the LEFT is FASCIST for trying to PROFIT off the evil rich.

In fact every social engineering program is designed for PROFIT.
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Lol. Republican women, church going women, rich women, poor women, all have abortions.


Doesn't change the fact that it is a form of genocide and, if campaigns are to be believed, it exists because: Democrats/progressive left.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

You make a lot of sense.

So now I'm left with only one recourse. . . . .

TEAR DOWN A STATUE!



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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Fascism tends to be very corporate oriented. Conservatives tend to be pro-corporation. It's not hard to figure out. Not really.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Abortion? Eugenics? Both go hand in hand with the American left.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:39 PM
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The only leftists who scream "fascism" about the right, are the ones who are too dull to hear and respond to counterarguments that are presented to their ideas.
In their mind, your logic is a weapon used to oppress them. They short circuit, and call you names like fascist and nazi.

Basically, when trump, or anyone on the right, wants to do anything that they don't like and can relate it to any fascist principle, then fascism is the reason they are doing it, because they can't form a decent counter argument and don't understand the real reasoning for the idea/policy.
Examples like border control,(Travel ban, wall) & nationalism,(Make America Great Again) come to mind.

It's important to realize, that to believe that Trump and/or his supporters/ people on the right are in fact fascist, you have to shut your eyes and ears to the reasons he/they are not fascist. The left is exceptional at doing that.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

It is right and health choice. I’m liberal gave birth to three, never considered an abortion. Why didn’t I commit genocide.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
I learned in Political Science and History that Fascism is a phenomenon of the left. Their roots and ideas all came from leftists. But for some weird reason the leftists and their institutions have convinced people that Fasicism is right wing.

Conservatism and right wing in America are ideas from the American Revolution: free markets, decentralization, individual over the collective, limited government, and the rule of law. All of these qualities are opposite from Fascism.

Keep in mind Europe has nothing similar to the right in America, from what I can tell, they are mostly leftist type governments throughout history, so something that is slightly off from their tradition rocker, they might call it right, but it's not even close to anything right in America.

The history of Fascism and the founders were all socialist. Mussolini was the chief editor of the most popular socialist newspaper in Italy. Hitler's Nazi 25 planks sounded like something like the Democrat platform. In fact, he got his Eugenics ideas from the Democrat party in America from the Trail of Tears and genocide of Indians through policies from Andrew Jackson a known Democrat, and the KKK and Slavery from the Democrat Party, eugenics progressive movement in the 1900s that the ford foundation, Rockefeller, and Carnigie funded Berkeley, yale, and harvard to push were all leftists. heck even the Japanese internment camp came from Democrats, but magically everything gets blamed on the party that freed the slaves and sent the US Military to protect blacks from the Democrat KKK military, not to mention passed the first civil rights act of 1875 only to be ruled unconstitutional by the Democrat supreme court judges, and Christians united with blacks to marched with Martin Luther King and helped push his movement over the top.

The left says Fascism is corporatism, militaristic, and nationalistic. However, nationalism is not exclusive to right or left, it's either you believe in country and borders or you believe in globalism and world government. They say the right is militaristic, yes they tend to favor a strong military, but most wars were all started by Democrats: WWI, WWII, N Korea, Vietnam, Syria, modern wars, outside of Iraq and Afghanistan which was oddly started by Bush. As far as corporatism, fascist had strict requirements that business was to adhere and worked for the state if they want to do business. This is nothing similar to a free markets that the right advocates.

My History and Political Science class all point to Fascism can only occur in a leftwing government and tends to proceed right after the failures of the economy and international socialism, which leads to the early 1900s when Fascism was introduced. It can not proceed after a Republic type government. It moves like this throughout history Republic >> Democracy >> Communism >> Fascism >> then back to Republic when people realized the last two are failures. Republic is an idea embraced by the right as well. I'm just trying to inject some logic into the left because I can't stand it when people don't understand history.


They haven't actually convinced anyone of this. They just think they have, and tell you they have, because they really only accept feedback from their echo chambers.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: avgguy

If all democrats are abortionist and Particular of gender, why did I give birth to 3.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: amfirst1

Pretty much all fascist states all start off under the guise of a socialist platform to gain people's trust. Then everything is undermined from there on.

It's not that socialist mindsets can't work, it's that the leaders chosen abuse the power.
Also, I'm pretty sure fascism is a pretty far right wing ideaology. It's complete control of everything.
Communism is control from the people, more freedoms, well, on paper.


The right supports deregulation and free markets. Progressives want the government in control on every aspect of your life. What rock have you been living under? Fascism is essentially modern liberalism



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 03:06 PM
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Fascism is(was) an aberration.

Antithetical to both liberal and conservative approaches to democracy.

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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1




Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[



Source

Sounds pretty Right Wing to me...

I have a friend who studied Political Science, we've had discussions about Right Wingers and Fascists over the years and his opinion is very different from yours.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro

I have had some leftist instructors and understand the leftist psychology very well. They had me read many leftists literature like Howard Zinn. I actually do pretty well in my leftist's classes because I know how to act, pretend, and write like an SJW. Only because my grades are more important to me than proving that I am right. I find it interesting how leftists think and can cloak myself in their shoes. I just wonder sometimes if they can do the same because if they can then they would be converted. I find that there is some truth to the leftist ideas, but I think they take it too extreme which just ruins the whole concept. You have to be more practical about how reality works.
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(post by dukeofjive696969 removed for a manners violation)

posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: djz3ro

I have had some leftist instructors and understand the leftist psychology very well. They had me read many leftists literature like Howard Zinn. I actually do pretty well in my leftist's classes because I know how to act, pretend, and write like an SJW. Only because my grades are more important to me than proving that I am right. I find it interesting how leftists think and can cloak myself in their shoes. I just wonder sometimes if they can do the same because if they can then they would be converted. I find that there is some truth to the leftist ideas, but I think they take it too extreme which just ruins the whole concept. You have to be more practical about how reality works.


You should have posted this in the rant section, nobody cares how you feel about the left really, well maybe the trump fans who don't know # as usual.



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