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Why does the left believe that Fascism is on the right?

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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 12:39 PM
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Lol, thanks for proving once again that right wingers are not only the most ignorant creatures on the planet. They also have no problem lying to further thier agenda. I would try to educate you on the matter but it’s obvious you and your ilk are only here to troll. So troll on little boy, troll on. a reply to: amfirst1




posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

Fascism, socialism, communism are all 'leftist' ideologies. Only limited government free market systems are on the right. Nearly everyone now called 'right' is for big government just read some comments.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

It's really this simple:
Communism is extreme left and fascism is extreme right. Both sides have dark sides, but it seems like the ones on the right spend a lot of time trying to disavow fascism and pawn it off on the left.



posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: SkeptiSchism

That is incorrect. Monarchies, theocracies and fascism are on the right and they are not necessarily free market or limited government.
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posted on Jan, 8 2018 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

That's not true. The Fascist planks all sounds like Democrats planks. Fascism is on the far left and believes in centralized government just like the left. The right believes in limited government and further to the right is libertarians borderline anarchism. NO way a totalitarian government can ever exist on the far right, it's is humanly impossible to control the masses with a small government. That's why fascism can only proceed Communism or a socialist type government a la Italy and Germany. All the capability of totalitarianism exists in a collective leftists government, just as seen in those countries.

I have never seen fascism ever proceed a Republic, libertarian, or limited government in my life and in history.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 07:14 AM
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a reply to: amfirst1

Yes it is true. History shows it to be true. Communist states are a misuse of liberal ideals and fascist states are a misuse of conservative ideals. It is as simple as that. Neither side's humanists want to aspire to those extremes, but they exist nonetheless.

What you are attempting to do here is say that there are no political downsides to your political beliefs, and that is just baloney and you know it.


I have never seen fascism ever proceed a Republic, libertarian, or limited government in my life and in history.

What do you think happens in a power vacuum exactly?
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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

It depends on how you define your political spectrum, I define is as: on the left is absolute centralized control, and on the right is no centralized control, that would be a free market with no government regulations/control.

So your example fails by my definition because monarchies are centralized control.


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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: amfirst1

When was the last time anybody on the right actually made the government smaller? Sure, they run on that platform every single time, yet never do it.
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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: SkeptiSchism

Again, the political compass is a spectrum, not linear left vs right. Right and left can both still be authoritarian. Right vs left is economic, North vs South is about social policy and government control (Authoritarian vs libertarian). People need to stop looking at it in terms of strictly right vs left, with one side being the polar opposite of what you want.

en.wikipedia.org...

This is why we need a 4 party system, instead of 2 party. The political parties are too big and have too much power and just pander to emotional hot button issues instead of working together for the benefit of the future.


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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
It depends on how you define your political spectrum, I define is as: on the left is absolute centralized control, and on the right is no centralized control, that would be a free market with no government regulations/control.

That is the problem, the left/right political spectrum was defined as loyalists backing the king on the right and classic liberals (like the american forefathers, at least the popular notion since there were statists among them) on the left.

If everyone goes around just taking terms and defining them as they wish we end up with the current confusion.

Someone saw this and came up with the 2 axis spectrum which places economics left/right and authoritarianism up/down, still people don't like it because it means that what they consider right can still be authoritarian but that seems like denial.


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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

The right is limited government authoritarian can not exist in such a state. The left advocates socialism which would centralize government and create tyranny of many kind. Hitler came to power because Germany was socialistic. Mussolini came to power because Italy was socialistic. America is a Republic and that's what Republican roots come from. The word Republic which is the rule of law. In a Republic the law is above all people or person. Thus, a dictator can not override the rule of law.


There are only three true forms of government. Republic, Democracy, and Oligarchy. Typically in a Republic the masses are so free that they start to demand handouts and freebies, which eventually turns them into a Democracy, where the mob dictates the law. They then become socialistic because the masses will always vote for handouts instead of handups. It's just a natural human emotion to always want things for free. Then the mob would give their rights over to a dictator who promises all the freebies of the world. That's why leftism always leads to totalitarianism or an oligarchical government. That's just history. There is no denying the progression towards a tyrannical government goes through Democracy Socialism then tyranny.



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: amfirst1

Simply not true. Most 'right wing' parties are more socially authoritarian than left wing ones. You only have to look at the Republican party in the US or the Conservative party in the UK.

As Daskarik correctly pointed out a single axis view is fundamentally limited as people's social and economic views can and often are at opposite sides of the axis.



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

The right is not limited government. The right originally stood with monarchs. Why anyone who calls themselves libertarian or similar, especially in america, would want to identify with them is besides me.

Also, the right in america has usually been behind things like prohibitions, censorship, anti-abortion, etc. so I'm not buying that the american right is about personal freedoms, as you claim they are, because actions speak louder than words.

A republic is government by the political elite (aka elected representatives) which is basically an oligarchy. I think you have bought into a pile.



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