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Why does the left believe that Fascism is on the right?

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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 12:53 PM
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I learned in Political Science and History that Fascism is a phenomenon of the left. Their roots and ideas all came from leftists. But for some weird reason the leftists and their institutions have convinced people that Fasicism is right wing.

Conservatism and right wing in America are ideas from the American Revolution: free markets, decentralization, individual over the collective, limited government, and the rule of law. All of these qualities are opposite from Fascism.

Keep in mind Europe has nothing similar to the right in America, from what I can tell, they are mostly leftist type governments throughout history, so something that is slightly off from their tradition rocker, they might call it right, but it's not even close to anything right in America.

The history of Fascism and the founders were all socialist. Mussolini was the chief editor of the most popular socialist newspaper in Italy. Hitler's Nazi 25 planks sounded like something like the Democrat platform. In fact, he got his Eugenics ideas from the Democrat party in America from the Trail of Tears and genocide of Indians through policies from Andrew Jackson a known Democrat, and the KKK and Slavery from the Democrat Party, eugenics progressive movement in the 1900s that the ford foundation, Rockefeller, and Carnigie funded Berkeley, yale, and harvard to push were all leftists. heck even the Japanese internment camp came from Democrats, but magically everything gets blamed on the party that freed the slaves and sent the US Military to protect blacks from the Democrat KKK military, not to mention passed the first civil rights act of 1875 only to be ruled unconstitutional by the Democrat supreme court judges, and Christians united with blacks to marched with Martin Luther King and helped push his movement over the top.

The left says Fascism is corporatism, militaristic, and nationalistic. However, nationalism is not exclusive to right or left, it's either you believe in country and borders or you believe in globalism and world government. They say the right is militaristic, yes they tend to favor a strong military, but most wars were all started by Democrats: WWI, WWII, N Korea, Vietnam, Syria, modern wars, outside of Iraq and Afghanistan which was oddly started by Bush. As far as corporatism, fascist had strict requirements that business was to adhere and worked for the state if they want to do business. This is nothing similar to a free markets that the right advocates.

My History and Political Science class all point to Fascism can only occur in a leftwing government and tends to proceed right after the failures of the economy and international socialism, which leads to the early 1900s when Fascism was introduced. It can not proceed after a Republic type government. It moves like this throughout history Republic >> Democracy >> Communism >> Fascism >> then back to Republic when people realized the last two are failures. Republic is an idea embraced by the right as well. I'm just trying to inject some logic into the left because I can't stand it when people don't understand history.
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:00 PM
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Pretty much all fascist states all start off under the guise of a socialist platform to gain people's trust. Then everything is undermined from there on.

It's not that socialist mindsets can't work, it's that the leaders chosen abuse the power.
Also, I'm pretty sure fascism is a pretty far right wing ideaology. It's complete control of everything.
Communism is control from the people, more freedoms, well, on paper.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:00 PM
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The very simple answer is that people forget history.

The other answer is that, today, the 'left' acts nothing like a true left. It's more a mish mash of far right and far left ideals that just appeal to them. They only know that they hate privilege without knowing what that means, this is why they hate everything, to them it's all a patriarchy.

Hitler was incredibly far left to begin with.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:03 PM
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Why does the left believe that Fascism is on the right?

Ah donno?? Maybe because it is??..commies are generally leftist in the extreme.
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

Because the people who created it said that it was a right leaning centrist position.

Of course, they were european and that seems to mean something different to americans.
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:06 PM
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Why does the left believe that Fascism is on the right?

Because they love thinking their own snip doesn't stink.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: Spider879

Define fascism? Leftists claim Fascism is right wing but they can never define it to match the qualities of the right. Democracy is considered leftist, but it doesn't mean it is communism? No, just because it has another name, doesn't mean it is opposite. It could be very similar with different names a la communism (international socialism) or brother fascism (national socialism).
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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Here is what the left means:



The problems with our country are NOT rocket science. The lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. The CEOs, once they legislate away the free-market, can gouge the consumer by charging anything they want for products and services. The result is wealth inequality is at ALL time highs.

This is why the left calls it fascism:

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Corporations ARE the government. From the left's perspective, we are about as FAR right as we can go and still have a government currency with any shred of value:



If we were truly socialistic or communistic wealth inequality would be more equitable. But it is not. I hear lots of right wingers and conservatives define what it means to be a liberal and Democrat. But I think FDR does a much better job defining what it means to be a liberal Democrat:



An old English judge once said: 'Necessitous men are not free men.' Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor - other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government."


Speech before the 1936 Democratic National Convention

I don't think people really appreciate how bad wealth inequality is in this country. We are so far from communism. This country is some kind of military oligarchy. Why would any CEO want to sell bubble gum to workers making poverty wages when the margins are so small. Military spending and contracts have the biggest margins of any endeavor. That's not going to change.

But do not worry my comrades. Marx said laissez faire capitalism is always followed by communism. This is because unfettered greed would result in the government's currency collapsing to nothing in value. Once the currency is worthless, people in breadlines will demand MORE government not less. See you in the breadlines comrades!!


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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:10 PM
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But keep in mind all governments are really corporations. You can not have a government without corporations.
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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I thought they mean this.




See their witch hunt with the FBI acting as the gestapo going papers please.
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: dfnj2015

But keep in mind all governments are really corporations. You can not have government without corporations.


I do not agree with this any way shape or form. The privatization of government has been the very worse thing to ever have happened. Corporations have only loyalty to shareholders not the state. The profit motive has destroyed this country. This is why it feels like our country has been taken over by foreign interests because it has.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:16 PM
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I have a very good friend in the FBI. I don't know what Trump did but he is extremely not liked in the FBI.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:17 PM
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What qualities the " right" have, the extreme right??? Not the same imo as just being right wing or a conservative, In any case govt and industry are one and the same with out collectivism. Which would be communism.
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:17 PM
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Hitler was a failed liberal arts student who self-identified as a socialist and hated the upper class. Sound familiar?

Nazism, at it's core, was nothing more then a social justice movement.




posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:18 PM
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The only way to have real socialism from your point of view is to get rid of the almighty $$$ and have a community base system like the Indians. I don't think that would ever work in a modern society. It would killed off ingenuity and regress society. Then one day a more powerful nation would easily conquer you and absorb you into their system like the Americans did to the Indians. The better and more superior system will thrive. It's like a hippie colony going to war with a well organized structured machine. They would be easily taken.
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: amfirst1

What qualities the " right" have, the extreme right??? Not the same imo as just being right wing or a conservative, In any case govt and industry are one and the same with out collectivism. Which would be communism.


Collectivism does not have shareholders and private ownership by small few.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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Why does the right believe that fascism is on the left?



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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American democrats commit genocide?



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:24 PM
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Because that is how they've defined the meaning of the word.
Whatever his origins, Hitler was politically anatgonistic to the Communists. First in his struggles to gain power in Germany, then in war against Stalin.
So "Fascism" came to be understood as the opposite extreme to Communism.
Then it evolved further.
From an early date, it was used by Communists to cover "anyone antagonistic to Comminism".Hence western governments in general. The Berlin wall was officially an "anti-Fascist" measure.
By extension, for the left-wing, anyone antagistic to the left wing.
By extension, again, anyone who is not part of the left wing.

Criticism of the usage really ought to be focussing on the fundamental dishonesty of broadening out the definition of a word while trying to preserve the emotional overtones which belong to the narrower definition.
If "fascist" now means "anyone who is not left-wing", there is no longer anything wrong with being a fascist.


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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: dfnj2015

The only way to have real socialism from your point of view is to get rid of the almighty $$$ and have a community base system like the Indians. I don't think that would ever work in a modern society. It would killed off ingenuity and regress society. Then one day a more powerful nation would easily conquer you and absorb you into their system like the Americans did to the Indians. The better and more superior system will thrive.


It's not a superior system. See the Marx video. The system is inherent unstable with boom and bust cycles. I would prefer a system that keeps all the incentives for hard work but somehow keep wealth inequality a little more equitable. Having a weak middle class makes our country weak. We have no tax base for military spending.




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