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US Spy Satellites Catch Chinese Ships Illegally Selling Oil To North Korea

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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: Arnie123




Perhaps the pipeline is being monitored


Ah...of course - the US has feet on the ground making sure the pipeline is not pushing oil.




posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: EvidenceNibbler

The reason why China still supports North Korea even after they sanctioned it because they feared that if North Korea falls, the Chinese Communist Party falls.




Xi does not love Kim, and he definitely doesn’t like what he has been doing with the nuclear and missile tests. Kim has even purged the senior people in the North Korean hierarchy who were closest to China, and Beijing still puts up with his behavior. Why? Because the survival of communist rule in North Korea is seen in Beijing as vital — not vital to China as a whole, but to the continuation of communist rule in China.





What truly frightens the men in charge in China is seeing another communist regime go down. They were terrified by the collapse of the Soviet regime in 1989-1991, and they blame it on the weakness and willingness to compromise of the Soviet Communist Party.

For all their power and all their achievements, they see themselves as standing with their backs to a cliff. One step backward, one show of weakness, and they could be over the edge and in free-fall. Letting Kim fall, however much they dislike him, might unleash the whirlwind at home.


www.japantimes.co.jp...-nHIU



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: kelbtalfenek

Pipelines and tunnel systems present all manner of logistical and maintenance dilemma then there is the additional cost of course.

As to the tankers allegedly transferring oil at sea, well it has been known to happen, but like others have pointed out nothing wrong with the pipeline already in place between China/SK and NK, or trucking the stuff across the border.

I cant see the problem anyway as ICBM don't employ conventional oil as a fuel. Rocket propellant is either a high oxygen-containing fuel or a mixture of fuel plus oxidant. LoL


I agree. I don't see oil as a strategic risk in the fuel for the missiles, but the oil could be used to fuel the moving launch platforms...which could be seen as a strategic risk.

I don't think this is any sort of official trade. Jinping wouldn't do that, he's trying to build a reputation on a national and international level as an honest man, rooting out corruption. (Not to mention amending the Chinese constitution...possibly to extend his stay in the presidency.)
edit on 27-12-2017 by kelbtalfenek because: punctuation and such



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler
www.zerohedge.com...



According to South Korea's Chosun Ilbo, U.S. recon satellites have photographed around 30 illegal transactions involving Chinese vessels selling oil to North Korea on the West Sea in October. The images allegedly showed large Chinese and North Korean ships transacting in oil in a part of the West Sea closer to China than South Korea. The satellite pictures even showed the names of the ships.


Lucky Bill Clinton exchanged Americas guided missile technology for donations (bribes) in the 90s with them or they'd still be shooting arrows.

And a special thanks goes to 0bama and other cucked Western leaders who allowed them to systematically hack/rape our companies of trade secrets over the years and somehow allow a list of US spys to fall into their hands who were promptly executed



Sure those are bad, but research residential REIT's and take a look at how much property the Chinese own in the US.....



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Arnie123




Drink some coffee, you're a bit slow this morning.

I understand the difference between a competitor and an enemy although in your black and white world I can see how you would be confused.
I seriously doubt that.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Arnie123

How is China the enemy when they are still trading in the US dollar? If they dump the US $ then you you may have a case. Still nothing you said answered why China couldn't simply truck or pipeline oil to North Korea. You do realize they share a border? Save your insults for other boards.
Because that is how the current system in power works, obviously they have the use the $ and dumping is suicide. You bide your time and build yourself up, at the expense of the current power.

You do realize there are sanctions?

Stop crying about insults.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Arnie123




Perhaps the pipeline is being monitored


Ah...of course - the US has feet on the ground making sure the pipeline is not pushing oil.
When posted monitoring, it was under the assumption of some international consensus on monitoring the situation. Though whats the point when this very thread we are one highlights technology that reveals otherwise to your moot assumption of boots on grounds.
edit on 27-12-2017 by Arnie123 because: Hmmm,. now where is my coffee....



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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You bide your time and build yourself up


So without the US buying the cheap crap, China wouldn't be as strong economically. Or are you also suggesting the US doesn't benefit? Where does Walmart get their products from? Dont US companies invest in Chinese companies?

Sanctions be damned - the US went to war on faked charges of WMDs. You think this is something new?



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Don't China already have the U.S by the financial testicles? Cant call in loans/negotiate broker future deals if they are chucking ICBM/WMDs at one another.

So if indeed China is the enemy it's only in the sense of trade wars and the like.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 11:15 AM
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As to China being divergent ideologically from our own Western societies, sounds like nonsense to me, as at the end of the day people are more alike than different, requiring the same basic needs for survival and entertainment.

All a dog and pony show for the masses really with NK being the next target inline to be overthrown.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Hopefully the Trump Admin brings the wood via trade penalties. You think our debt is bad? The Chinese are dealing with a 40:1 debt-to-gdp ratio (not counting unfunded liabilities). The Chinese economy is fragile, and this would be the perfect opportunity to smack them upside their steel-dumping asses.

And when a cuck tells you that muh China owns most of the US debt and could cripple us in return, remind them that China only owns about 6%, with the vast majority of our debt being held by the US public.





posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 11:35 AM
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The point is a full-scale war between superpowers is simply silly to consider these days.

Not when there are monies and profits to be had waging proxy conflicts and toppeling every Tom Dick or Harry that does not take our fancy or further the agenda of the banking houses and corporations who run the real show.

Debt is simply a tool in their arsenal.

Personally, i think the only thing that Trump will bring to the table is bullcrap nonsensical saber rattling gibberish, but that's just my own opinion.


Merry Christmas by the way.

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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

exactly "trade wars". Then again like sanctions, trade wars may lead to real "blood wars"



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 04:24 PM
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agreed



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler
a reply to: andy06shake

Hopefully the Trump Admin brings the wood via trade penalties. You think our debt is bad? The Chinese are dealing with a 40:1 debt-to-gdp ratio (not counting unfunded liabilities). The Chinese economy is fragile, and this would be the perfect opportunity to smack them upside their steel-dumping asses.

And when a cuck tells you that muh China owns most of the US debt and could cripple us in return, remind them that China only owns about 6%, with the vast majority of our debt being held by the US public.


Excellent points and you're absolutely right.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 05:17 PM
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Well any war between China and the U.S is highly unlikely as neither nation has any real capacity to invade one another on their own soil and stand a relative chance of subduing the other side.

The use of nukes in even a limited fashion by either side would inevitably draw in the other nuclear-capable nations and lead to full-blown nuclear exchange, complete devastation, loss of life and infostructure on a massive scale worldwide, whilst providing no profit or spoils of war, which is probably why it will never be allowed to occur.

North Korea, on the other hand, are ripe for UN picking and the installation of what amounts to a puppet government of our own choosing.

That i can see happening unless cooler heads prevail, possibly worth keeping in mind through that little Kim has seen what happened to the regimes of say the likes of Gaddafi and Hussein and won't go quietly into the night without a fight, nor should he really.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 10:15 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight
That i can see happening unless cooler heads prevail, possibly worth keeping in mind through that little Kim has seen what happened to the regimes of say the likes of Gaddafi and Hussein and won't go quietly into the night without a fight, nor should he really.

And if little Kim is "smart", he'll let all the people of Korea know, what the fate of the people in the middle east. Say, like ... "Fallujah", deformed children, poison, devastation ... and if the people are smart, they'd fight like helll ... not for Kim, but fight the monsters that created Libya, Syria and Iraq.

Because they're worse, than little Kim. They don't just gloat and act like idiots, they go and liberate the little guy from their life.
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posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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Rocketman in deep #

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posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 05:59 PM
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And if little Kim is "smart"

Is Kim the one actually calling the shots in North Korea?



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 06:16 PM
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Government: "Look what we caught them doing at sea!!"

Me: "That's nice. Now how about telling us what they're doing on Terra Firma?"

They DO share a land border, transfers by sea ain't the only way they're getting stuff. Whatever the US is trying to distract people from that they spotted on land should be the big question.
Also, if anyone actually believed China would refrain from trading with NK because Trump, they're an idiot. China's gonna play & manipulate us just like normal.



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